Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 11



Category:Mauritanian Moors
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Moorish
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 19%23Moorish

Category:Pretenders to the Lithuanian throne
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Category:Alumni of the University of Malta

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Seems doubtful there is an engvar issue. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Alumni of the University of Malta to Category:University of Malta alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Mistitled. The longstanding format for cats in this tree is {University of Such-and-such alumni/faculty}. In fact, even is formatted this way. Curbon7 (talk) 02:48, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2C, could have been speedied. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename - agree with Marcocapelle. Oculi (talk) 10:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous discussion. Both formats exist in the tree with national differences on this and this format is clearer - they're alumni of the university not alumni of Malta. University of Malta faculty looks badly named - the university use the term for the discipline divisions not the staff - and seems to have blindly copied the US format. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Admittedly the UK tree uses "Alumni of" but is this really a case of WP:ENGVAR? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as a former part of the British Empire, it should use EngVar. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:17, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I dont see any WP:ENGVAR here. My academic friends in England happily describe themselves as Fooish University alumni. Rathfelder (talk) 09:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not EngVar; see Category:Alumni by university or college in Australia, Category:Alumni by university or college in New Zealand, Category:Alumni by university or college in India, Category:Alumni by university or college in Pakistan, Category:Alumni by university or college in South Africa. Hardly anywhere outside the UK/Ireland is using 'Alumni of'. Oculi (talk) 11:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge or reverse merge -- I do not see any Engvar issue. British English would certainly be right if there was an issue, but there is not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Years in Tunisia

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Merge but to decades in 1880s and 1890s. Disclosure: I am WP:INVOLVED, but the consensus is now unanimous. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1574 in Tunisia to Category:16th century in Tunisia, Category:1574 in Africa and Category:1574 in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1574 establishments in Tunisia to Category:16th-century establishments in Tunisia, Category:1574 establishments in Africa and Category:1574 establishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1705 disestablishments in Tunisia to Category:18th-century disestablishments in Tunisia, Category:1705 disestablishments in Africa and Category:1705 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1726 establishments in Tunisia to Category:18th-century establishments in Tunisia, Category:1726 establishments in Africa and Category:1726 establishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1831 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1831 establishments in Africa and Category:1831 establishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1847 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1847 establishments in Africa and Category:1847 establishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1875 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1875 establishments in Africa and Category:1875 establishments in the Ottoman Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1881 in Tunisia to Category:19th century in Tunisia and Category:1881 in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1881 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1881 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1882 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1882 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1884 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1884 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1885 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1885 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1888 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1888 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1891 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1891 establishments in Africa
 * Propose merging Category:1892 establishments in Tunisia to Category:19th-century establishments in Tunisia and Category:1892 establishments in Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, in most cases only one article in a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course, there is an exception to WP:SMALLCAT, so it is a matter of judgment whether these are useful for navigation. Personally I would merge the 1500s and 1700s, but keep the 1800s categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge all my understanding of the smallcat exception is that we don't pick off individual years in the middle that are small but instead set a consistent round-number cut-off around the point at which there start being enough articles per year and merge everything earlier than that to decades or centuries. From my investigation. that cut-off point for establishments in Tunisia is around the 1920s, so all categories before this one should be merged. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose - for 1880s (7 articles in all) and 1890s (2 articles but to match 1880s) the targets should be categories for those decades. Support for rest, as there seem only to be a few items per century. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merging to Category:1880s in Tunisia, Category:1880s establishments in Tunisia and Category:1890s establishments in Tunisia is fine with me too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would also support this compromise. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As would I. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.