Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 12



Category:Salam salam hajar salam song is not written by Fazle Lohani. It is written by Fazl-e-Khuda.

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete WP:G6. The category was evidently created in error. The author's point is clearly stated in the edit history of Fazle Lohani. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting salam salam hajar salam song is not written by fazle lohani. it is written by fazl-e-khuda.
 * Nominator's rationale: WP is neither ready or needs categories that contain the word 'not' Richhoncho (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - its creator seems to be making a point rather than a viable category. Oculi (talk) 23:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


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Academic personnel in the United States
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Category:Prizes of Ukraine

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:11, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Prizes of Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian awards
 * Propose merging Category:Laureates of Ukrainian Prizes to Category:Ukrainian award winners
 * Propose merging Category:State Awards of Ukraine to Category:State Prizes of Ukraine (tagged but not listed until 13 Sept)
 * Nominator's rationale: Categories that don't provide an obvious or defining distinction from their parents. It's really not all that clear what the intended distinction between a "prize" and an "award" is in this context -- the contents here are not prizes in the sense of "reward for winning a contest or a game show", but prizes in the sense of "awards that happen to use the word 'prize' as a synonym for 'award' in their name", so there's just no real reason why they would need their own separate category. Bearcat (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support per nom, we do not categorize based on words, we do it based on their meaning. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Militant unionism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. No merging is necessary. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Militant unionism to Category:Ulster loyalism
 * Nominator's rationale: Very similar concepts. Even in the category explanation "militant form of political unionism" links to Ulster loyalism. Privybst (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment, the category now contains a hodgepodge of biographies and very diverse topic articles. It seems that at least something should be changed here. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Purge biographies per WP:COPSEP and merge as topics seem to be near-identical. Place Clichy (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: When I looked at the cat (before I removed the loyalist subcats, per the Category:Ulster loyalism discussion), I had the impression that it may originally have been intended for the biographies, and the subcats added later. I would have no problem with 's proposal. Scolaire (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, I Propose deletion, as the term is almost exclusively used for trade unionism. Scolaire (talk) 22:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is confusing. The topic articles in this category should stay somewhere in the Unionism tree, so it seems that some kind of merge is needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * All right, I've moved The Night We Burned Ardoyne and Holy Cross dispute to Category:Ulster loyalism, as they both say "loyalist" in the intro. All the remaining articles are already in the unionism tree (which is quite a big tree) via other cats. George Richardson (Indian Army officer), for instance – the article with the most tenuous connection with "militant unionism" – is in Category:Ulster Volunteers, which is in Category:Ulster loyalist militant groups, which is in Category:Ulster loyalist organisations, which is in Category:Ulster loyalism, which is in Category:Ulster unionism. The others are more directly linked. This is how it should be. There is no need for a makey-up category to short-circuit the existing tree structure. Scolaire (talk) 09:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Ulster unionism
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Category:Lightning (women's cricket) cricketers
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Category:Uzbek politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Afghan Uzbek politicians. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Uzbek politicians to Category:Uzbek politicians in Afghanistan
 * Nominator's rationale: To distinguish this from Category:Uzbekistani politicians Rathfelder (talk) 15:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. --Privybst (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Question, why not Category:Afghan Uzbek politicians, C2C per Category:Afghan Uzbek people? Marcocapelle (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with this name too. Privybst (talk) 11:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Afghan Uzbek politicians is fine by me. Rathfelder (talk) 19:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Afghan Uzbek politicians as this category seems to be specific to Afghanistan. There is no value in keeping an ethnic-based category distinct from Category:Uzbekistani politicians. Place Clichy (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Medieval Muslim writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Medieval Muslim writers to Category:Writers of the medieval Islamic world
 * Nominator's rationale: Most of the "medieval Islam" hierarchy has been speedily renamed using "of the medieval Islamic world" following a couple of precedents at CFD, but I thought this one was worth a full discussion, as renaming will take it out of Category:Medieval Muslims. If moved, it will belong in Category:People of the medieval Islamic world by occupation, and some other categories in that one can be moved into this one. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support renaming. Similar to . --Privybst (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, as the nom states this will take it out of Category:Medieval Muslims which might make it disputable, but in practice it is not that much of a problem because most articles in this tree are about travel writers which is entirely unrelated to religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile the latter is no longer relevant after I added some more subcategories, but none of the subcategories restricts itself to Muslim people so the nominated parent category shouldn't restrict itself either. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose — I have checked the writers and they are all arguably from what can be called “the medieval Islamic world”, but that is surely beside the point. There must have been medieval Muslim writers who lived outside “the medieval Islamic world”. By the way, I can’t help wondering what that means, is it defined anywhere? For instance, does it include the Hindu parts of India ruled by Muslims? Moonraker (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly I doubt if there were notable medieval Muslim writers in the Christian world. Christian states have been very intolerant towards Islam for a very long time. Do you happen to know any? Marcocapelle (talk) 02:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - This is a follow up to a number of similar ones. I doubt there were any in Christian countries.  India may give rise to difficulties, but I doubt it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:44, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Films scored by Chellapilla Satyam

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films scored by Chellapilla Satyam to Category:Films scored by Satyam (composer)
 * Nominator's rationale: The article is Satyam (composer). Kailash29792 (talk)  09:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per C2D. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


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Indian Members of Parliament by term
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1st Lok Sabha members to Category:India MPs 1952–1957


 * Nominator's rationale: This naming convention is in line with similar ones for Indian states (e.g. Odisha and Karnataka), and for other countries (e.g. Pakistan and UK). The convention also makes it much easier to sort legislators into the right categories. The old names should be converted to category redirects to the new names. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support just like MLAs. Venkat TL (talk) 14:23, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - this is in line with a lot more: see list at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 29. Oculi (talk) 14:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support whilst I don't know specifically about other Indian states, I do know that the proposed names is consistent with the category names for the equivalent categories for most other countries outside of India. Also, to someone without wide subject knowledge, years are easier to work out than the 16th/17th. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Place Clichy (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


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