Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 2



Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:46, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 to Category:Juventus Next Gen
 * Nominator's rationale: Juventus U23's name has been changed to Juventus Next Gen. Juventus F.C. Under-23 has arleady been moved to Juventus Next Gen. Please, do the same changes with the subcategories.

Pinging, , , and  who took part to the article's RM. Dr Salvus 22:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename as C2D. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename as per above. Ortizesp (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename (C2D). Nehme1499 17:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename --SuperJew (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Propose renamings

 * Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 matches to Category:Juventus Next Gen matches‎
 * Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 managers to Category:Juventus Next Gen managers‎
 * Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 players to Category:Juventus Next Gen players‎
 * Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 seasons to Category:Juventus Next Gen seasons
 * Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23 templates to Category:Juventus Next Gen templates‎‎
 * Speedy rename per above. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename as per above.
 * Ortizesp (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 06:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as above, but for future reference, this is exactly what WP:CFDS is for. GiantSnowman 06:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename (C2D). Nehme1499 17:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename --SuperJew (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename(C2D). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 21:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery Asia-Pacific
 * Propose merging Category:Turner International India to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery Asia-Pacific
 * Propose renaming Category:Turner Broadcasting System Latin America to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery Americas
 * Nominator's rationale: The article Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific was renamed to WarnerMedia Entertainment Networks Asia Pacific in May 2021, and Turner International India was merged into it; then it was renamed again in May 2022 to Warner Bros. Discovery Asia-Pacific after the corporate merger with Discovery, Inc. Turner Broadcasting System Latin America was similarly moved to WarnerMedia Latin America and then to Warner Bros. Discovery Americas. These can probably go ahead speedily as WP:C2D, but as there is a merge I am listing the set for a full discussion. The categories were tagged by MegaSmike46 in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Rename/Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Consequences of wars
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 10%23Category:Consequences of wars

Category:Underground films
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting underground films
 * Nominator's rationale: Subjective inclusion criteria, same reason as the Cult films category. hinnk (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.
 * Ortizesp (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete subjective category. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Metasongs
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:56, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting metasongs
 * Nominator's rationale: "Metasong" is not defined in Wikipedia or at Wiktionary (Metasong is a cross-namespace redirect to this category). There are only two articles in the category where "metasong" is actually mentioned in the article (Highway Song (James Taylor song) and Memories of El Monte; in other cases assigning them to this ill-defined category appears to be WP:OR. If this category is deleted, also speedy-delete-G8 the redirect Metasong. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete subjective, undefined category. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 18:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:OR and WP:NONDEF. Jontesta (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Fiction about astronomical locations
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 10%23Category:Fiction about astronomical locations

Architecture by country and style
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to "Architecture in FOO by period or style" (option 4). There has always been a consensus that something should be done, and post-relist, this discussion seemed to have more support for Option 4.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Albania by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Algerian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Algeria by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Argentine architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Argentina by style
 * Propose splitting Category:American architectural styles to Category:American architectural styles and Category:Architecture of the United States by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Australia by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Austrian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Austria by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Azerbaijani architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Azerbaijan by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Belarusian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Belarus by style
 * Propose splitting Category:British architecture by period or style to Category:British architectural styles and Category:Architecture of the United Kingdom by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Canadian architectural styles to Category:Canadian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Canada by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Chilean architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Chile by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Chinese architecture by period to Category:Architecture of China by period and Category:Architecture of China by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Croatian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Croatia by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech architecture by style to Category:Architecture of the Czech Republic by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Denmark by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Dominican Republic architecture by style to Category:Architecture of the Dominican Republic by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Dutch architectural styles to Category:Dutch architectural styles and Category:Architecture of the Netherlands by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Finnish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Finland by style
 * Propose splitting Category:French architecture by period to Category:French architectural styles and Category:Architecture of France by style
 * Propose splitting Category:German architectural styles to Category:German architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Germany by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek architectural styles to Category:Architecture of Greece by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Hungarian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Hungary by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Indian architectural styles to Category:Indian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of India by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture of Ireland by style
 * Propose merging Category:Irish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Ireland by style
 * Propose merging Category:Historicist architecture in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Architecture of Ireland by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli architectural styles to Category:Architecture of Israel by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Italian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Italy by period and Category:Architecture of Italy by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Japanese architectural styles to Category:Japanese architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Japan by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Libyan architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Libya by style (over recent redirect)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lithuanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Lithuania by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Maltese architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Malta by style
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand architecture by style to Category:Architecture of New Zealand by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Norwegian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Norway by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Poland by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Portuguese architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Portugal by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Romania by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Russia by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Serbian architectural styles to Category:Serbian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Serbia by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovak architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Slovakia by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovenian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Slovenia by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Spanish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Spain by period and Category:Architecture of Spain by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Sri Lanka by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Swiss architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture of Switzerland by style
 * Propose splitting Category:Turkish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Turkey by period and Category:Architecture of Turkey by style
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Ukraine by style


 * Nominator's rationale: Harmonise the inconsistent category names within Category:Architecture by country and style, and match them better to the rest of the hierarchy above and below.
 * Either Option 1: as listed above, to (i) create consistency with the parent e.g. "Architecture of Albania"; (ii) use "style" rather than "period" where this describes the contents, following precedent at Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 7; (iii) split some between articles on styles and sub-cats by style, following the split of the parents Category:Architectural styles and Category:Architecture by style at Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 15.
 * or Option 2: as above but use "in" rather than "of", e.g. Category:Architecture in Albania by style, because this would also match the sub-categories e.g. Category:Gothic architecture in Albania. All the sub-sub-cats of Category:Architecture by style and country use "in"; only the sub-cats of Category:Rococo architecture use "of". If there is support for Option 2, I propose to also nominate all the parents for renaming likewise, e.g. Category:Architecture of Albania to Category:Architecture in Albania. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:49, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose to Option 1. Where to start? The precedent of Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 7, discussing one subcat, and attracting one support, is about as weak as it is possible to imagine. Some country categories, like Austria, have style sub-cats, but others, like China, don't. This would be a terrible solution for them. The "Category:British architecture by period or style" type of title is MUCH better, but this proposal is to do away with that, and turn everything to "style", which doesn't work at all. Wikipedia editors and categorisers are often very poor at deciding the "style" of buildings, and we generally don't have enough categories to cover all styles.  Significantly, no benefits at all are suggested from this rearrangement, other than consistency, which is always a bad sign in these proposals. Using "in" rather than "of" doesn't make much difference to anything, imo. Johnbod (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "some… don't": But that's exactly why I have nominated some cases for splitting rather than renaming. The example you chose, China, includes Art Deco and Baroque which are styles, and the rest are periods. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "by period or style… is MUCH better" – OK, let's add Option 3, Architecture of Foo by period or style, and Option 4, Architecture in Foo by period or style.
 * Options 3 and 4 both require renaming Category:Architecture by country and period to Category:Architecture by country and period or style, and merging Category:Architecture by country and style to it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:04, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We can solve "period" problem for China, Japan, Korea, etc. through unfortunate generalization "Traditional arch of/in Chine", until we have more editors able to add more articles on that arch, and help distinct between styles and periods in arch of these countries (which has as much distinct styles and periods as European if not more). As such, Traditional arch of Foo can be, then, included upward in both "style" and "period" parents. ౪ Santa ౪  99°  18:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support renaming Category:Fooian architecture by parameter to Category:Architecture in/of Foo by parameter, because meanwhile denonyms are mainly used for people (nationality). With respect to Johnbod's comment, style is largely dependent on period, so I can understand the opposition towards removing "by period". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be grateful for a further reply. You seem to be mainly opposing some which would change "period" to "style". If "period" is not removed, can the change from "Fooian" to "of/in Foo" go ahead (option 3/4)?
 * As for "of" versus "in", consider whether it is useful for Aswan Dam and Sardeh Band Dam to remain in Category:Architecture of the Soviet Union. They were built with Soviet support in Egypt and Afghanistan, so were originally in "Soviet architecture"; but the pages would have to be removed if it was renamed to "Architecture in the Soviet Union". – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Option 3, or failing that, Option 4 (no real difference). Any response @Johnbod? @Marcocapelle, do you have any preference between 1/2 and 3/4 (your !vote above is unclear).<span id="Qwerfjkl:1661873396488:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_August_22" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  15:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It is unclear indeed. I do have a clear preference for any of the above renaming options over the status quo (since they all change it to "of Albania") and a weak preference for option 3/4 over 1/2. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting a fourth time is a bit of an unprecedented thing, but we're pretty close to a consensus. It all comes down to "in vs. of." I'd like a further assessment from others on the analysis that Fayenatic london brought up: Do we conform the name to the parent or the subcats, and is the scope/intention of these cats geographic or not? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  16:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support renaming Category:Fooian architecture by parameter to Category:Architecture in/of Foo by parameter per Marcocapelle. Denonyms should only be used for people. --Privybst (talk) 11:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Still oppose the whole thing - this will create a bigger mess than we already have. Some names that look like "period"s are, I'm sure, in fact styles, & dividing the two will be harmfully confusing. In a similar way blanket changes to adjectives/in/of will have bad effects where borders have changed. This is the sort of top down rearrangement that appears fine here, but is likely to cause a mess in the sub-cats (which are not nominated). More and more, I distrust proposals based on "consistency". Johnbod (talk) 04:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The objection about periods and styles is an objection to option 1 and 2 only, right? With respect to bad effects of changes from adjectives to in/of, I can't quite imagine how that would make a difference, can you give an example? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)


 * This has been relisted to solve the "in" or "of" issue. With respect to the example of Fayenatic london, I do not think we should include these articles in a Soviet country category. Apparently my thinking rather comes from an "in" perspective. These examples are a special case that may deserve a special category, e.g. Category:Buildings and structures built by the Soviet Union abroad. China may well have a sibling. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case there is a preference for option 4. Perhaps my presentation has been too confusing for Johnbod to see the proposal clearly, as he has not presented any objections to what is actually intended. He objects to splitting categories by period from categories by style, but this proposal puts categories by period and style together. The categories for China, Italy, Spain and Turkey would no longer be split. The only splitting, e.g. for America, Britain and Canada, is to separate out the articles about styles from the subcats of buildings, where there is sufficient content to justify a separate category for such articles. Here is Option 4 in full. Look – the Irish categories by period and by style get merged together:
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Albania by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Algerian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Algeria by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Argentine architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Argentina by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:American architectural styles to Category:American architectural styles (articles about styles) and Category:Architecture in the United States by period or style (subcats of buildings)
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Australia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Austrian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Austria by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Azerbaijani architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Azerbaijan by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Belarusian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Belarus by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:British architecture by period or style to Category:British architectural styles and Category:Architecture in the United Kingdom by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Canadian architectural styles to Category:Canadian architectural styles and Category:Architecture in Canada by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Chilean architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Chile by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese architecture by period to Category:Architecture in China by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Croatian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Croatia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech architecture by style to Category:Architecture in the Czech Republic by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Denmark by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Dominican Republic architecture by style to Category:Architecture in the Dominican Republic by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Dutch architectural styles to Category:Dutch architectural styles and Category:Architecture in the Netherlands by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Finnish architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Finland by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:French architecture by period to Category:French architectural styles and Category:Architecture in France by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:German architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Germany by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:German architectural styles to Category:German architectural styles and the preceding Category:Architecture in Germany by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek architectural styles to Category:Architecture in Greece by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Hungarian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Hungary by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Indian architectural styles to Category:Indian architectural styles and Category:Architecture in India by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture in Ireland by period or style
 * Propose merging Category:Irish architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Ireland by period or style
 * Propose merging Category:Historicist architecture in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Architecture in Ireland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli architectural styles to Category:Architecture in Israel by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Italy by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Japanese architectural styles to Category:Japanese architectural styles and Category:Architecture in Japan by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Libyan architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Libya by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Lithuanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Lithuania by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Maltese architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Malta by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand architecture by style to Category:Architecture in New Zealand by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Norwegian architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Norway by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Poland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Portuguese architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Portugal by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Romania by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Russia by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Serbian architectural styles to Category:Serbian architectural styles and Category:Architecture in Serbia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovak architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Slovakia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovenian architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Slovenia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Spain by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Sri Lanka by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Swiss architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture in Switzerland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish architecture by period to Category:Architecture in Turkey by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian architecture by style to Category:Architecture in Ukraine by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Architecture by country and style to Category:Architecture by country and period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Architecture by country and period to Category:Architecture by country and century, and splitting to the preceding Category:Architecture by country and period or style
 * – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I have now nominated the parents at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_16 for renaming using "in", and I suggest that these two discussions should be closed together. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I can only repeat that I support the proposal of nom. --Privybst (talk) 08:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The related CFD appears likely to stick with "of" for the top categories. That may not an obstacle to using "in" for these sub-categories. However, here is option 3 in full:
 * Propose renaming Category:Albanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Albania by period or style


 * Propose renaming Category:Algerian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Algeria by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Argentine architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Argentina by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:American architectural styles to Category:American architectural styles (articles about styles) and Category:Architecture of the United States by period or style (subcats of buildings)
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Australia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Austrian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Austria by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Azerbaijani architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Azerbaijan by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Belarusian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Belarus by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:British architecture by period or style to Category:British architectural styles and Category:Architecture of the United Kingdom by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Canadian architectural styles to Category:Canadian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Canada by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Chilean architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Chile by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese architecture by period to Category:Architecture of China by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Croatian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Croatia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Czech architecture by style to Category:Architecture of the Czech Republic by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Denmark by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Dominican Republic architecture by style to Category:Architecture of the Dominican Republic by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Dutch architectural styles to Category:Dutch architectural styles and Category:Architecture of the Netherlands by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Finnish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Finland by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:French architecture by period to Category:French architectural styles and Category:Architecture of France by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:German architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Germany by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:German architectural styles to Category:German architectural styles and the preceding Category:Architecture of Germany by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek architectural styles to Category:Architecture of Greece by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Hungarian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Hungary by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Indian architectural styles to Category:Indian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of India by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture of Ireland by period or style
 * Propose merging Category:Irish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Ireland by period or style
 * Propose merging Category:Historicist architecture in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Architecture of Ireland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Italy by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Japanese architectural styles to Category:Japanese architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Japan by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Libyan architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Libya by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Lithuanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Lithuania by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Maltese architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Malta by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:New Zealand architecture by style to Category:Architecture of New Zealand by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Norwegian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Norway by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Poland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Portuguese architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Portugal by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Romania by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Russia by period or style
 * Propose splitting Category:Serbian architectural styles to Category:Serbian architectural styles and Category:Architecture of Serbia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovak architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Slovakia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Slovenian architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Slovenia by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Spain by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Sri Lanka by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Swiss architecture by period or style to Category:Architecture of Switzerland by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish architecture by period to Category:Architecture of Turkey by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian architecture by style to Category:Architecture of Ukraine by period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Architecture by country and style to Category:Architecture by country and period or style
 * Propose renaming Category:Architecture by country and period to Category:Architecture by country and century, and splitting to the preceding Category:Architecture by country and period or style


 * Under Option 3, these categories would continue to parent the Colonial style categories, e.g. and, but under option 4 those should instead be moved up to the parent e.g.  as they contain no "architecture in Spain". – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Symbol current class.svg The clock is ticking…
 * As a spectator to this, I ask, how long until this CFD will be inevitably closed as no consensus? It has been relisted 4 times since late June to no avail, and those with dust mite allergies must be suffering harshly as we I speak. — Mugtheboss (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Be patient. Johnbod's specific grounds for opposition have been fully answered – except his mistrust of consistency in principle, which is widely followed at CFD. The linked discussion about the parent categories is working through a lot of detail which affects the choice about "of"/"in". The Colonial categories could end up using "see also" links rather than being subcats if "in" is taken more strictly. – Fayenatic  L ondon 05:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess only time will tell. — Mugtheboss (talk) 07:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Option 4 Option 2 - to answer Johnbod's "where to start(?)" we need to start by renaming "Fooan architecture" to "Architecture in/of Foo" (I would prefer "in"). ౪ Santa ౪  99°  18:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * don't you mean Option 4? or do you oppose "by period or style", for which Johnbod has made a strong case above? – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:12, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, (sorry did not see that you label it Option 4; it sits just above box labeled Op.3). ౪ Santa ౪  99°  06:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, so, I have no opinion on the nom, but I think the problem this discussion seems to be having, is noted right in the article, Architecture:
 * "It is both the process and the product of sketching, conceiving, planning, designing, and constructing buildings or other structures."
 * So for the question of "of" vs "in", for me it's a simple question:
 * Is the intention to consider the category contents as art (the abstract - the "process") or a contructed object located somewhere (the concrete - the "product")?
 * If it's art, then we should use "of". If it's an object, then it should be "in"
 * And by the way - this issue exists in most of art, especially the fine arts. So we probably should keep that in mind, as this could/should probably lead to some broader discussions. - jc37 01:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * (!voted above) Option 4 ("in") or failing that Option 3 ("of"). I suggest this discussion should be closed either way, and the of/in matter discussed in another discussion.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1667668845614:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  17:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment What brave soul is ever going to take on closing this rambling CFD discussion? It's been open for over 2 months now. Is that a record? No, I bet there have been CFD discussions that lasted even longer than this one has! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Your bet is right, there have been CfD discussions lasting as long as 6 months before, such as Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 10. CfD has seen worse, and I'm sure someone will step up to the plate. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Funeral directors of the United Kingdom
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge & rename to Category:Funeral-related companies of the United Kingdom. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Funeral directors of the United Kingdom to Category:Funeral directors in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Same thing as far as I can see. Rathfelder (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comments - clearly, given its parents, Category:Funeral directors of the United Kingdom is intended for companies and should be renamed the better to reflect this (eg Category:Funeral-related companies of the United Kingdom). In contrast Category:Funeral directors in the United Kingdom is clearly intended for individuals and should be renamed to Category:British funeral directors. The articles should then be redistributed appropriately. (The article Funeral director, or undertaker, is about a person, not a company.) Oculi (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, and rename per Oculi. There is one article about a company, that article should be moved to the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy with Oculi's suggestions. Rathfelder (talk) 22:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge as nom. The one indiviudual appears to have been the principal of F.A. Albin and Sons, a firm for which we have no article.  I see no objection to mixing individuals and companies in this case: both are correctly described as funeral directors.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Whilst Category:Funeral directors in the United Kingdom might be intended for individuals, it only contains companies. Between the two categories, only Barry Albin-Dyer is an individual. @Marcocapelle, given the current contents of Category:Funeral directors in the United Kingdom, it'd probably fit better there. Therefore, I suggest renaming to Category:Funeral-related companies of the United Kingdom per Oculi, and moving all of the companies there.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1662122272299:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_August_25" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  12:37, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * With two categories that have almost the same name it becomes a little confusing. In the nominated category there are 2 articles, one about an individual and one about a company. In the target there are 11 articles all about companies. So we should merge it all together to Category:Funeral companies of the United Kingdom (I do not think we need "-related") and leave the article about the individual somewhere else, presumably in Category:Funeral directors. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Procedural comment, I have tagged Category:Funeral directors in the United Kingdom too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In the UK, as far as I can see Funeral directors is the term used by companies. Rathfelder (talk) 21:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle's proposal as well.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1662804477185:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  10:07, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Co-operative Group is not a 'funeral company', but is funeral-related, as are several of the others. Oculi (talk) 22:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, let's then keep it at Category:Funeral-related companies of the United Kingdom as originally proposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Funeral directors of Austria
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Pickle cabal
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wikipedians who are part of the pickle cabal
 * Propose deleting wikipedians involved in the great pickling of 2022
 * Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate joke/nonsense user categories. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep it's a user category, multiple people are using it. How is this any different than other identifying user categories for say, politics, or other humor? <span style="color: snow; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(DarkGreen, Green, DarkOliveGreen, ForestGreen, SeaGreen)">PICKLEDICAE🥒 16:39, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * identifying user categories for say, politics - like those that were deleted in 2017 and again in 2018? or other humour - like the over 100 times joke categories have been deleted at CfD before? No, nothing is different. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Go find something useful to be doing — TheresNoPickle (talk • she/her) 18:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 🪞 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I see the fun police are at it again. No fun allowed, only absolute devotion to rules and regulations. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Talk is cheap, laughter is priceless. 🥒 EpicPickle (they/them &#124; talk) 01:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Move/Merge to Category:Wikipedians who should stop it and get some help, or delete per nom. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That is a highly inappropriate comment. You have every right to your opinion of how the categories should be handled, but to insinuate that Wikipedians need "help" because they tried to lighten the atmosphere is uncivil at best, and a severe insult at worst. -- Dylan 620 (he/him · talk · edits) 18:22, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in pickles which is a standard user category format that I don't believe can be protested on the grounds mentioned above. –– FormalDude   talk   04:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That category format is supposed to mean "Wikipedians interested in editing articles related to pickles" per WP:OC/U (but I agree that in practice it often does not). Anyone feel like improving the pickled cucumber, pickled onion or pickling articles, all of which are in need of more sources? Oh, and, if you do go with a rename in that direction, I would prefer Category:Wikipedians interested in pickling to avoid having a user category named after a disambiguation page. (Although I still prefer deletion) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * How dare you imply that I'm not interested in editing articles about pickles. –– FormalDude   talk   04:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. These are humorous user categories and serve the purpose of fostering community bonding. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * To elaborate on my policy basis for this, I believe that this sort of camaraderie improves Wikipedia and we know that if a rule prevents us from improving Wikipedia, we should ignore it. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep It's fun! <b style="color:#191970;">Nythar</b> T . C 06:36, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in food and drink, pickling is a very narrow topic of interest. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete instead, if users are interested to write more articles about pickling they can better add their account to Category:Wikipedians interested in food and drink themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, as per red-tailed hawk’s explanation and, as an extension to that, this essay. Mugtheboss (talk) 21:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * So essays overrule guidelines and policies now? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 21:17, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I never said that. While guidelines overrule essays, in this situation we are voting wether this category is suitable for inclusion in its current state, and taking all into account is a crucial part of that (much like how a jury must take everything into account, not just the laws in place); if others share the same concerns as me and hawk in this matter, it must be taken into account. Mugtheboss (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:IAR is a policy... –– FormalDude   talk   03:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in food and drink. desmay (talk) 19:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Have some fun for once, Pppery! These can stay if people find it humorous. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Userboxes can be used for the expression of humor, you do not need categories for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Keep per WP:Ignore All Pickles. It's a bit of harmless fun, and well within scope of List of cabals. Pickleswipe (briny talk) 03:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, it's a valid spear of interest. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 01:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep this does no harm and doesn't merit deletion. Let the community have a little fun for once. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (in a jar, with some dill) Don't tell me the cabal isn't real?! Then what did I change my signature for?! – LordPickleII ( talk ) 19:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Addendum: On a more serious note, I don't think the guideline rational by the nominator applies: It states This includes any grouping of users that is patently false (e.g. Wikipedians who are zombies, Wikipedians in their 780s) [...], which would apply if the category would claim "Wikipedians who are Pickles". These users don't make the absurd claim to be a (delicious) food item, but rather that they are part of a "cabal", which is a long-standing "inside joke" around here, so much that cabals have their own humour page, as Pickleswipe pointed out. – LordPickleII ( talk ) 19:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The specific clause of that section I think applies is created primarily for humourous or satirical purposes. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a harmless tagged humorous category, and should be kept per WP:Ignore all pickles WP:Ignore all rules. As a member of the pickle cabal, I am biased, but I do not think there is a good reason to delete. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  22:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Songs about Hawaii
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep and purge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs about hawaii
 * Nominator's rationale: Like many other "songs about" categories, a lot of the entries are present because of WP:SHAREDNAME, and Hawaii being in the title. For example "Harleys in Hawaii" by Katy Perry is nothing about the country/state. Many of these songs do not have lyrical content that relates to Hawaii >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 23:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have removed the cat from Harleys in Hawaii.  I suggest you remove any other articles on songs which are not about Hawaii, leaving the category only including articles on songs about Hawaii.--Mhockey (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * On what basis? You need to provide a rational? If Category for deletion requests are like other AFDs, we're not supposed to remove content before deleting them. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 16:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If an article is in the wrong category, we do not delete the category. We remove the article from the category.  If you want to argue that all the articles in the category are wrongly categorised, you need to provide a rationale.  Arguing that "a lot of the articles" are wrongly categorised, without saying which (except for one), is no rationale for deleting the category. Mhockey (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Removing members of a category is frowned upon if it is a way of forcing a delete. Removing members that do not belong in the category is fine. Richhoncho (talk) 10:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment, if the category is kept, Hawaii Aloha may well stay. I have not checked if there are enough articles defined by Hawaii to merit a category. If there aren't, there should be a (manual) merge to Category:Works about Hawaii. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hawaii Aloha is also in Category:Hawaiian music and Category:Symbols of Hawaii, I am not sure the nominated category isn't rendered redundant for this song. Richhoncho (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I am not explicitly favoring keeping this category anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a subcat of Category:Songs about states of the United States, so even if it had only a few members, it seems that it should be kept per WP:SMALLCAT. Mhockey (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete. per nom, plus WP:V and WP:CATDEF. Pretty much every member of this category is in shared named or already in an appropropriate category. Songs about learning to speak Hawaiian to go on a date are not about Hawaii, it could happen anywhere in the world! --Richhoncho (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge, User:Mhockey introduced a probably decisive argument. This category should not be singled out from the tree. Still, a song about learning to speak Hawaiian to go on a date should be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- There are sibling categories for most other US states. Purge if necessary, but do not be too rigorous in excluding the language, culture, etc of this island group.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Video game nobility
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Nobility characters in video games Timrollpickering (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Video game nobility to Category:Nobility in video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Current name is a bit akward and doesn't mesh with its child categories. "Video game nobility/royalty" could casually refer to people who are highly regarded within the gaming comunity. ★Trekker (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete per WP:OCAT. Category:Fictional nobility is already fine without sorting by type of media. The proposed move would violate WP:NONDEF, we are not looking for nobility "in" video games, which can encompass minor appearances. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Support Clearer scope. Dimadick (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If kept, rename to Category:Nobility characters in video games, which seems to match the contents. Given the subcategories that aren't nominated here I don't see a strong reason to delete. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Support as nominated. I would not object strongly to Pppery's alternative, but IMHO the extra word is unnecessary; like the parent Category:Fictional nobility, "nobility" will be understood as a collective noun for characters, not an abstract noun for virtue. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The point of my rename is not that ambiguity, but to clearly limit it to only articles on fictional characters rather than video games containing the characters, avoiding the problem that has caused a bunch of "X in fiction" categories (which contained works containing X rather than Xes themselves) to be renamed to "Fiction about X". * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Jontesta (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * rename either way. Pppery raises a good point.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1662807656222:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  11:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have a slight preference for Pppery's suggestion.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1664216350097:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  18:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support rename either way, but I prefer Category:Nobility characters in video games per Pppery. --Privybst (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Writing systems derived from the Phoenician
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting writing systems derived from the phoenician
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, writing systems have a complex history and the (small or large) similarity with the ancient Phoenician script is better discussed in a list article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep until someone writes the proposed list article. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep until a more dynamic list article is created, and then relist on CfD. It would make creating said list much easier. Mugtheboss (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * there is a list at Phoenician alphabet; does this affect your opinion about this category? The origin of Brahmic scripts is disputed, as is that of Libyco-Berber alphabet and its descendant Tifinagh. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:53, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle and Fayenatic London --Privybst (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional locations by location
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional locations by location to Category:Fictional locations
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, weird category title and sparsely populated with subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment When I created this category, it was intended to be a subcategory level of Category:Places by location. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If kept, rename to Category:Fictional locations by type. That being said, this appears to be a SMALLCAT, so should be merged * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I can relate to LaundryPizza03's intention, but this one does not work, so merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Jontesta (talk) 19:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Association footballers' wives and girlfriends
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Category:Deaths from brain cancer
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge all. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Wisconsin to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in West Virginia to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Washington (state) to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Virginia to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Vermont to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Utah to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Texas to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Tennessee to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in South Carolina to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Pennsylvania to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Oregon to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Oklahoma to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Ohio to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in North Dakota to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in North Carolina to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in New York (state) to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in New Mexico to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in New Jersey to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Nebraska to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Missouri to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Minnesota to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Michigan to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Massachusetts to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Maryland to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Maine to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Kentucky to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Kansas to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Iowa to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Indiana to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Illinois to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Hawaii to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Florida to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Delaware to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Connecticut to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Colorado to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in California to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Arkansas to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Arizona to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Alaska to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Alabama to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States by state to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Veneto to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Tuscany to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Lombardy to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Liguria to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Lazio to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Apulia to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy by region to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Quebec to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Ontario to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Nova Scotia to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in New Brunswick to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in British Columbia to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada by province or territory to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Canada
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Australia by state or territory to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Australia
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Victoria (Australia) to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Australia
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in New South Wales to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Australia
 * Propose merging Category:Deaths from brain cancer in the Australian Capital Territory to Category:Deaths from brain cancer in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: Neither place nor cause of death are defining where the cause is common.' Rathfelder (talk) 09:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - in each case the nomination omits other parents to which the categories must be upmerged, eg Category:Deaths from cancer in Wisconsin and Category:Neurological disease deaths in Wisconsin. It is fairly standard to diffuse people categories by state. Oculi (talk) 13:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I dont object to the additional mergers Oculi suggests. Rathfelder (talk) 15:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do object. The status quo is better than ultimately having all articles in no less than three "deaths in" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Delete  the categories after removing the category from all the category contents. Do not merge . The creator of most of these categories is blocked indefinitely from Article and Category for their disruption in category creation after this discussion at ANI. was unable or unwilling to understand that cause of death is in almost all cases WP:NONDEFINING, creating a large number of categories and adding every biography he could to them. This has left behind a massive cleanup problem that doesn't seem to have an easy way to handle. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:02, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be part of the cleanup process - merging is fine. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd be quite happy to see them all deleted, along with their parents, but I cant see how that can be done. Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to have all Deaths from cancer by country subdivision upmerged to national level, or to have the Deaths from brain cancer tree upmerged to Deaths from cancer in general, or both? It should be clear what you are after, because then we can help you thinking along. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both. Place of death is never defining for conditions like this, and most cancers affect several different organs of the body. Rathfelder (talk) 09:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd probably start with Category:Disease-related deaths in the United States by state or territory including all subcats, or with Category:Deaths from brain cancer including all subcats. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge -- Most of the subcats have fewer than 5 articles. There might be a case for keeping those with 5 or more, but I doubt it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge -- I don't think we need to list deaths from brain cancer in any country by said countries' subdivisions. 2600:6C52:4C40:E77:C14B:1461:77D6:B071 (talk) 01:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People fined in the Partygate scandal
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Uyezds
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of the Russian Empire to Category:Uezds of the Russian Empire
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of the Soviet Union to Category:Uezds of the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Arkhangelsk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Arkhangelsk Governorate


 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Baku Governorate to Category:Uezds of Baku Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Bessarabia Governorate to Category:Uezds of Bessarabia Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Courland Governorate to Category:Uezds of Courland Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Erivan Governorate to Category:Uezds of Erivan Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Estland Governorate to Category:Uezds of Estland Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Grodno Governorate to Category:Uezds of Grodno Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kovno Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kovno Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kursk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kursk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kutais Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kutaisi Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kaluga Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kaluga Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kazan Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kazan Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kharkov Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kharkov Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kherson Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kherson Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kiev Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kiev Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Kostroma Governorate to Category:Uezds of Kostroma Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Lithuania Governorate to Category:Uezds of Lithuania Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of the Governorate of Livonia to Category:Uezds of the Governorate of Livonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Minsk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Minsk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Mogilev Governorate to Category:Uezds of Mogilev Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Moscow Governorate to Category:Uezds of Moscow Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Novgorod Governorate to Category:Uezds of Novgorod Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Nizhny Novgorod Governorate to Category:Uezds of Nizhny Novgorod Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Olonets Governorate to Category:Uezds of Olonets Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Orenburg Governorate to Category:Uezds of Orenburg Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Oryol Governorate to Category:Uezds of Oryol Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Perm Governorate to Category:Uezds of Perm Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Pskov Governorate to Category:Uezds of Pskov Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Podolia Governorate to Category:Uezds of Podolia Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Ryazan Governorate to Category:Uezds of Ryazan Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Saint Petersburg Governorate to Category:Uezds of Saint Petersburg Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Saratov Governorate to Category:Uezds of Saratov Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Samara Governorate to Category:Uezds of Samara Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Simbirsk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Simbirsk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Smolensk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Smolensk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Tobolsk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Tobolsk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Tula Governorate to Category:Uezds of Tula Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Turgay Oblast (Russian Empire) to Category:Uezds of Turgay Oblast (Russian Empire)
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Tver Governorate to Category:Uezds of Tver Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Ufa Governorate to Category:Uezds of Ufa Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Poltava Governorate to Category:Uezds of Poltava Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Vladimir Governorate to Category:Uezds of Vladimir Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Voronezh Governorate to Category:Uezds of Voronezh Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Volhynian Governorate to Category:Uezds of Volhynian Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Vologda Governorate to Category:Uezds of Vologda Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Vilna Governorate to Category:Uezds of Vilna Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Vitebsk Governorate to Category:Uezds of Vitebsk Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Vyatka Governorate to Category:Uezds of Vyatka Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Yaroslavl Governorate to Category:Uezds of Yaroslavl Governorate


 * Nominator's rationale: Following WP:RM at Talk:Uezd. Three of these were tagged by user:Nunuxxx in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support for WP:consistency with the main article Uezd and other articles and categories. —Michael Z. 17:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above. --Privybst (talk) 10:22, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Elisabethpol Governorate
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Elisabethpol Governorate to Category:Elizavetpol Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Elisabethpol Governorate to Category:People from Elizavetpol Governorate
 * Propose renaming Category:Uyezds of Elisabethpol Governorate to Category:Uezds of Elizavetpol Governorate (see above for "Uezds")
 * Nominator's rationale: Following a WP:RM at Talk:Elizavetpol Governorate. That move previously had no consensus in 2011 and had little participation in July 2022, so I am listing this for a full CFD discussion rather than Speedy. These were tagged by user:Nunuxxx in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 05:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:CFD if only temporarily. When this RM result is overturned after a fresh better attended discussion we should move back the category names too, but it is uncertain whether this is ever going to happen. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per C2D. --Privybst (talk) 10:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Ceramic objects
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ceramics. There seems to have been some confusion over the proposal. I believe it was intended as a merge, at least for the subcategories. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ceramic objects
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless, misnamed new creation, under which various large categories have been placed, mostly not containing articles on objects at all. There was no discussion before, & the creator, User:Evrik has a track record for this sort of thing. Parenting at Category:Ceramics should be restored. The category is just not needed, & should just be deleted. Johnbod (talk) 00:53, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: As pointed out below, this should really be a "re-merge back to where they were in the first place", rather than deleting to leave them parentless. . I did say "Parenting at Category:Ceramics should be restored." Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you please refrain from personal attacks? --evrik (talk) 03:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks are very unhelpful. Rathfelder (talk) 10:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Says another creator of undiscussed and uselss categories. Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep useful and descriptive category that matches other languages and a corresponding category on the commons. --evrik (talk) 03:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Commons and other languages are no concern of ours, & the Commons category should probably go. But, as we know, it is nearly impossible to change commons categories. Johnbod (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the category is kept then at least the topic subcategories should be reparented back to Category:Ceramics. The category's content should match its title, i.e. it should be a set category containing articles about ceramic objects, not subcategories about ceramics topics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I should have said, we already have a well-developed tree under Category:Individual ceramics, parented to Category:Ceramic art. Johnbod (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. Then delete this as a duplicate of an existing category (after moving back the subcategories to Category:Ceramics, that still stands). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant to Category:Individual ceramics * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, or rename to Ceramics by type., , , and the article Shepherd's gourd all belong within , and are not wholly within Category:Individual ceramics. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not expect any participant in this discussion aiming to remove the content of the category from the tree of altogether. The question is whether this is a viable subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, people were saying "delete" rather than "merge", and "deleting" a category does mean removing content from parent hierarchies. As for viability, IMHO the contents are sufficient to usefully separate them from the parent, but I would not object strongly to upmerging. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, a remerge is what is wanted. I've added a note, but the nom did say "Parenting at Category:Ceramics should be restored." What do you think would be the utility of this extra and badly-named layer? Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * merge to Category:Ceramics; possibly rename to Category:Ceramics by type. Certainly do not delete.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


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