Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 24



Category:Impact craters on Deimos (moon)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Per Marcocapelle, the category can be recreated if more articles are written. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Impact craters on Deimos (moon) to Category:Impact craters on Mars's moons
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:SMALLCAT, this category has only two subjects and will not get more for the foreseeable future, and its scope is entirely covered by the broader category, which itself has only two subjects currently. Also, no corresponding category exists for the craters of Phobos. Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the category does not overlap with anything. A separate category for Phobos could be created. And I disagree with WP:SMALLCAT anyway. A category with two members if fine. And there are prospects for further naming of craters and writing of articles in decades to come. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Phobos has seventeen named craters, so a separate category for it could indeed be created (if those craters ever receive articles). Deimos has only two named craters at the present time (although there are more unnamed craters), so there is limited space to grow at this time. Perhaps the smallcat can be justified by general utility? Furius (talk) 11:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge in the spirit of WP:SOFTDELETE with no objection to recreate the category when some more articles have been written. Currently it is an almost empty category layer, not contributing to easy navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: the two member articles are already held directly in the other parent Category:Deimos (moon), so a single merge would suffice. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Gender reveal wildfires

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:52, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gender reveal wildfires
 * Nominator's rationale: 2-article category, likely WP:SMALLCAT, with a politcal motive regarding gender reveal parties. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:SMALLCAT only disallows categories that are structurally impossible to grow.  That's not the case here; future gender reveal wildfires are possible and arguably not unlikely.  No explanation of the alleged political motive or how it would counterindicate this category.  DefaultFree (talk) 00:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, very indirect relationship between a natural disaster and the reason for a party. I can't see a political motive in this, but even if there is politics involved that is not relevant. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete wildfires can be caused by a wide variety of things, such as barbeques, fireworks, cigarette buts, campfires, overheated car batteries etc. There is not reason why gender reveal parties are more notable as the cause. Plus this category is part of Category:Gender-related violence which is nonsensical, there is nothing inherently violent about parties that accidently caused fires. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 03:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For comparison, speaking to the fireworks example, Category:Building and structure fires started by pyrotechnics exists. Wildfires are violent events.  If this is inaccurate, that would be reason to reparent the category, not delete it. DefaultFree (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The appropriate location for this info is on the gender reveal parties article (where it is indeed found). That said, we do also have Category:Wildfires caused by arson, so perhaps this small cat could be merged into something like Category:Wildfires caused by accident. Anyway, the current title suggests that these were wildfires which somehow revealed the baby's gender (by the colour of their smoke? the shape of the area that they destroyed? whether the dollar-value of their damage was an even or an odd number?), which isn't quite right. Furius (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Udmurtia
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Category:People from Udmurtia

Category:Editor's pronouns templates
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Category:Editor's pronouns templates

Category:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals people to Category:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: "People" is too vague to be useful in applying the category only where it satisfies WP:DEFINING. There has been a long-term WP:NPOV problem growing out of the fact that PETA uses trivial endorsements by celebrities as a way of promoting itself, and editors inappropriately apply related categories to celebrity pages in a manner that pushes that POV. There was an earlier, related CfD discussion of this at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 4. Recently, I removed the BLP of a fashion model from this category, where the category had been applied simply because she once posed nude for a PETA advertisement (having appeared in countless other ads as well, none of which generated categories). I've pruned the current category membership to people who have actually held positions in the PETA organization, which is an appropriate use for the category. The proposed rename from "people" to "personnel" (or perhaps something equivalent) would make it clearer what the category is really for. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Only key people need to be in the category, having just "people" could mean anyone associated with the group which is not WP:DEFINING, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals personnel" is more specific. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


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Category:University of the People alumni
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Category:University of the People alumni

Category:Set indices on Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Set indices on Ukraine to Category:Lists of places sharing the same name and Category:Ukraine-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge unnecessary layer which holds only one sub-cat. If not merged, rename to Category:Set index articles on Ukraine following Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 14. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, can be upmerged. Ymblanter (talk) 07:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


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Architecture by country
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Architecture by country

African-American businesspeople
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23African-American businesspeople

Category:Province of Saxony
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Category:Province of Saxony

Category:Alawite communities in Syria
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Category:Dhatki people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge, no consensus to delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dhatki people to Category:Thari people
 * Nominator's rationale: Your reasons. The Thari and Dhatki people are the same and is even written on Thari people, merge to Category:Thari people.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete both, nothing is mentioned about it in the articles, let alone sourced. I will tag the target too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and make Thari people the main article of the target. This seems to be an ethnic group, whose language is Dhatki language (which might appear in the headnote as a "see also" item).  The subject needs to become a cat-redirect to discourage re-creation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Scientists of the Ayyubid Sultanate
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 2%23Category:Scientists of the Ayyubid Sultanate

Category:14th-century historians from the Ayyubid Sultanate

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:14th-century historians from the Ayyubid Sultanate to Category:Historians of the medieval Islamic world
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the Ayyubid Sultanate ceased to exist halfway the 13th century. The article in the category is about Abulfeda, a later Ayyubid ruler of the city state of Hama, who happened to be a historian as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. Rathfelder (talk) 09:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Constantine  ✍  19:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


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People from empires

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:9th-century people of the Carolingian Empire‎ to Category:9th-century people from the Carolingian Empire‎
 * Category:Saints of the Carolingian Empire‎ to Category:Saints from the Carolingian Empire‎
 * Category:Women of the Carolingian Empire‎ to Category:Women from the Carolingian Empire‎
 * Category:Writers of the Carolingian Empire‎ to Category:Writers from the Carolingian Empire‎
 * Category:11th-century rabbis of the Seljuk Empire‎ to Category:11th-century rabbis from the Seljuk Empire‎
 * Category:12th-century rabbis of the Seljuk Empire‎ to Category:12th-century rabbis from the Seljuk Empire‎
 * Category:Poets of the Seljuk Empire‎ to Category:Poets from the Seljuk Empire‎
 * Category:People of the Sultanate of Rum‎ to Category:People from the Sultanate of Rum‎
 * Category:Scholars of the Seljuk Empire‎ to Category:Scholars from the Seljuk Empire‎
 * Category:Families of the Sasanian Empire‎ to Category:Families from the Sasanian Empire‎
 * Category:Musicians of the Sasanian Empire‎ to Category:Musicians from the Sasanian Empire‎
 * Category:People of the Sasanian Empire of Arab descent‎ to Category:People from the Sasanian Empire of Arab descent‎
 * Category:People of the Sasanian Empire of Armenian descent‎ to Category:People from the Sasanian Empire of Armenian descent‎
 * Category:People of the Sasanian Empire of Georgian descent‎ to Category:People from the Sasanian Empire of Georgian descent‎
 * Category:Physicians of the Sasanian Empire‎ to Category:Physicians from the Sasanian Empire‎
 * Category:Women of the Sasanian Empire‎ to Category:Women from the Sasanian Empire‎
 * Category:People of the Timurid Empire‎ to Category:People from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Category:Historians of the Timurid Empire to Category:Historians from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Category:Poets of the Timurid Empire to Category:Poets from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Category:Scholars of the Timurid Empire to Category:Scholars from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Category:Scientists of the Timurid Empire to Category:Scientists from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Category:Physicians of the Timurid Empire to Category:Physicians from the Timurid Empire‎
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per precedent in this earlier discussion and this other discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per recent precedents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


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