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Category:Commanders of the Legion of Honour

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 * The result of the discussion was: Reverse Rename as a rename is the equivalent of a reverse merge and retain history. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:50, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Commanders of the Legion of Honour to Category:Commandeurs of the Légion d'honneur
 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate of the suggested target category Robby (talk) 22:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Categoryredirect to the French version of the name -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:01, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per article title Legion of Honour and per parent Category:Recipients of the Legion of Honour but keep page history of older page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse Merge per WP:C2D, Legion of Honour. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This category is empty so there are no articles to merge. Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Drag (clothing)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Drag (entertainment). (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:44, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Drag (clothing) to Category:Drag (entertainment)
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article was renamed to Drag (entertainment). I wouldn't oppose Category:Drag art or Category:Drag (art) as well. Xdtp (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, seems a straightforward case of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename While it wasn't a formal WP:RM, the main article was renamed per consensus on the talk page. -RevelationDirect (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Agree, drag has always been entertainment and culture, above fashion etc Carlinmack (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Legal history of the Ancien Régime
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Category:List of detained journalists and activists in Ethiopia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Imprisoned journalists in Ethiopia and then purge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 14:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting list of detained journalists and activists in ethiopia
 * Nominator's rationale: Improper category. For starters, categories for people are named in the format "X", not "List of X", so even if this were keepable it would have to be renamed . But the even bigger problem is that we don't have any scheme of "Detained journalists and activists" categories, or even "Detained anything" categories, for this to be a part of -- and even if we did, "detained journalists" and "detained activists" would have to be two separate categories, not one unrelated-things-smooshed-together category. So I can't even justify just renaming this, because there's no established parent tree for it. Bearcat (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bearcat. I see your point. It seems already exists. Woud it help to rename it to . I already seen . Petra0922 (talk) 16:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Imprisoned journalists in Ethiopia, make it a subcat of Category:Imprisoned journalists and purge everyone who was not a journalist to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Ethiopia. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and Purge per MC above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cities with Active Volcanoes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cities with active volcanoes
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization for a non-defining intersection of only trivially related traits. Cities are not defined by the question of whether there's a volcano in or near them -- and cities can obviously be impacted by volcanoes much further than just 19 miles away from the city centre, so the category is also imposing an arbitrary inclusion cutoff that violates WP:ARBITRARYCAT. As always, the category system is not just a free playground to generate lists of absolutely any intersection of characteristics for which you think a list might be of interest to somebody: we categorize topics by their defining characteristics, not by every last characteristic they may have. And even if this were somehow keepable, it would have to be renamed for incorrect capitalization anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Supernatural revenge films
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting supernatural revenge films
 * Nominator's rationale: "Films by genre" category for a trivial intersection of genres. We do not have any scheme of "Revenge films" for this to be part of in the first place, so there's no need for a special category to distinguish "supernatural" revenge films from non-supernatural revenge films — and films with supernatural-related plots don't need to distinguish supernatural revenge films from supernatural non-revenge films either. Bearcat (talk) 15:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No need to merge, the articles are already in the Supernatural films tree in some other manner. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:2023 sports events in Telford
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:37, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2023 sports events in telford
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for sports events in a town that doesn't have any scheme of "YYYY sports events in Telford" for this to be a part of, and isn't large enough that one would be expected -- even the logical parent contains absolutely zero articles about any dated sports events that could be used to populate such a thing at all. And for added bonus, even the single entry here is merely a redirect, not a standalone article. So this would be fine if there were numerous articles to file here, but is not needed just to overcategorize one redirect. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


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Treaties by former country
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 * The result of the discussion was: split, merge, and rename, respectively. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Treaties by country to Category:Treaties by country and Category:Treaties by former country
 * Propose merging Category:Legal history of Tanganyika to Category:History of Tanganyika and Category:Treaties by former country
 * Propose renaming Category:Legal history of German East Africa to Category:Treaties of German East Africa and reparenting


 * Nominator's rationale: Following other hierarchies e.g. Category:Law by former country. The contents of the second and third nominated categories belong in the new target. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Initially I thought the creation of Category:Treaties by former country only served to contain the second and third nominated category, but in fact it can be well populated with many other subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, very many – I should have made that clear. seems to have 203 current country subcats, but  has 517 country subcats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. BTW at least the first part can be done boldly anyway. Place Clichy (talk) 10:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support This reflects the actual contents better. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:IIHF European Junior Championship tournament
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:IIHF European Junior Championships. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:IIHF European Junior Championship tournament to Category:IIHF European Junior Championships
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, unclear why this was ever split in two category layers. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:IIHF Federation Cup
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:IIHF Continental Cup. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:IIHF Federation Cup to Category:IIHF Continental Cup
 * Nominator's rationale: IIHF Federation Cup was a predecessor to IIHF Continental Cup. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — should have been combined with related nomination.


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Category:Nordic Trophy
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Nordic Trophy to Category:European Trophy
 * Propose merging Category:Nordic Trophy Junior to Category:European Trophy Junior
 * Nominator's rationale: Former names of the competitions. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:07, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, same article Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Disc golf templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sports navigational boxes. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting disc golf templates
 * Propose merging Category:Disc golf navigational boxes to Category:Sports navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Only one disc golf template (pending likely deletion). –Aidan721 (talk) 12:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess both should be merged, shouldn't they? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as nominated — former is merely shim category of latter, its only template was deleted.


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Category:St. Anthony's High School (South Huntington, New York) alumni
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Category:Wikipedians interested in a franchise
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a franchise. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians interested in a franchise to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a franchise
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to make it clear this is a container category. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Same comment as above for subcategories "Wikipedians who like". No objection to the proposed rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Wikipedians interested in literature by genre
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wikipedians by genre interest. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedians interested in literature by genre to Category:Wikipedians by genre interest
 * Nominator's rationale: I do not see the difference between this category and its sparsely-populated parent. If kept, rename to Category:Wikipedians by literary genre interest to match the name of the parent. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Comment, the subcategories contain "Wikipedians who read" and "Wikipedians interested in" respectively, so there is a slight difference. And one might argue that "Wikipedians who read" subcats ought to be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:FC Margveti Zestafoni players
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fc margveti zestafoni players
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT for just one player. As always, every football club does not automatically get one of these the moment one former player has a Wikipedia article to file in it -- there would have to be five or six former players with Wikipedia articles before a category for them was justified, and it doesn't aid navigation at all to have a dedicated category just for one person. Bearcat (talk) 11:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, currently 8 players. Geschichte (talk) 14:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 13:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Geschichte; in future I suggest that nom sees if they can populate a category before nominations for deletion. It's easily done by clicking 'what links here' and then finding all the relevant bios that apply. GiantSnowman 13:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * While I do not disagree with that per se, it is still first and foremost the responsibility of the creator of a category to populate it as good as possible. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is the responsibility of the creator to name the category, add inclusion criteria, provide suitable parents and populate each category before moving on (if WP:SMALLCAT applies, as it does here). People who don't do this should be banned from category creation after a few warnings. Oculi (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People's Republic of China subdivision templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People's Republic of China administrative division templates.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People's Republic of China subdivision templates to Category:People's Republic of China administrative division templates
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are semantically identical, unless I'm missing something. SilverStar54 (talk) 23:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose reverse merge: Category:People's Republic of China administrative division templates to Category:People's Republic of China subdivision templates. a) consistency with Category:Country subdivision templates and b) subdivision category is older than administrative division. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merging as per nomination as well, for consistency with Category:Administrative division templates in the spirit of WP:C2C. I'm OK with some categories for different countries having the "subdivision" name, because searching for a topic in a country's template categories is a more frequent operation than searching for a country in a topic's template categories. We'll get to renaming subcategories of Category:Administrative division templates in the future, it's fine to leave them be not consistent across different countries. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per Andrybak. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Or merge per nom, assuming the other countries will be nominated too (whether or not speedy). See discussion about that below. For sure a merge should take place somehow. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Unanimous consensus to merge, but direction is undecided. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as nominated. Country subdivision is/was a made up name by a user who has long since been banished for sockpuppetry. Sadly, the damage persists.
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 * When nominating this, I didn't know this problem extended beyond these two pages. After looking at the evidence User:William Allen Simpson provided here, I support my original proposal much more strongly. It seems like Category:Country subdivision templates is the exception here rather than the rule. Is there any other missing context? SilverStar54 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * After having voted reverse merge earlier on I'd like to add: I would not object to a broader nomination of Category:Country subdivision templates and all of its subcategories to rename them "administrative divisions", I am just objecting to a single outlier in the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Update — parent has been renamed to Category:Administrative division templates at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 10.
 * Thank you. Though there is still a large amount of categories under it with "subdivisions". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And yet, you have not yet updated your !vote above, so that this nomination can run to completion. The rest can speedy.
 * Done now. Ideally, all countries should be renamed simultaneously, but the merge needs to happen anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:FC Odishi 1919 players
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fc odishi 1919 players
 * Propose deleting fc odishi 1919
 * Propose deleting football clubs in zugdidi
 * Propose deleting sport in zugdidi
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one person, and an entire branch of other categories created solely to wedge this small category into the tree. As always, every minor league football club does not automatically get one of these the moment one former player for them has an article -- there would have to be at least five or six former players for this club before a category for them was warranted, and it does not assist navigation at all to have a dedicated category for just one. Bearcat (talk) 11:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete It doesn't even seem defining to that one article, Kakhaberi Sartania, where this is just a line in the infobox. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:24, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Nobles of Kievan Rus
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Category:Volcanoes of West Virginia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Volcanism of West Virginia. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Volcanoes of West Virginia to Category:Volcanism of West Virginia
 * Nominator's rationale: A broader category which can include landforms which are the rsult of volcanic action, not just volcanoes per se. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename/re-parent or upmerge, per WP:SMALLCAT. In both scenarios the article should also be added to Category:Volcanoes of the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Asian Games baseball venues
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting asian games baseball venues
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCVENUE. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Textbook WP:OCVENUE. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Volcanoes of New Jersey
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Volcanism of New Jersey and Category:Volcanoes of the United States. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 14:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting volcanoes of new jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is a near-duplicate of Category:Volcanism of New Jersey. After removing all articles which did not actually say that the subject was a volcano -- as opposed to having been formed by volcanic action -- there remains only one article in the category.  If this category is kept, it should be made a sub-category of "Volcanism in New Jersey", but it would better to only keep one of them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Volcanism of New Jersey and Category:Volcanoes of the United States, per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge


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Category:Dukedoms of the Netherlands
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dukedoms of the Netherlands to Category:Dukedoms of the Low Countries
 * Alt proposal: deleting Category:Dukedoms of the Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: The linked category nl:Categorie:Hertogdom in de Nederlanden uses Netherlands in its historical plural, thus meaning all the Low Countries including modern Belgium and Luxembourg. This allows us to include the Duchy of Luxemburg, Duchy of Bouillon, Category:Duchy of Jülich, Category:Duchy of Limburg, Duke of Lothier etc. Besides, most of the Duchy of Brabant and bits and pieces of the Duchy of Guelders were also located in modern Belgium, so it makes sense to broaden the category. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt rationale: content doesn't match description (dukedom =/= duchy), relevant content is already in Category:Former polities in the Netherlands, purging would result in a WP:SMALLCAT/empty cat, so deletion is perhaps a better option. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Duchies of the Holy Roman Empire, the HRE was the political entity that they fell under. By the way, the distinction between dukedoms and duchies is not clear to me yet. My guess is that "dukedom" should only be used for duchal titles without actually ruling a duchy (see the British subcategories), but correct me if I am wrong. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I was wondering this, too. It seems like you're correct that dukedoms are about noble titles and duchies about states, and the category hasn't been filled up properly. The linked nl:Categorie:Hertogdom in de Nederlanden is about duchies (hertogdommen), not dukedoms (hertogschappen). So the interwiki and two subcats (which are already in Category:Duchies of the Holy Roman Empire) can be removed, and the only remaining article Counts and dukes of Guelders that might actually fulfil the definition of dukedom can't save this category from deletion per SMALLCAT. If we want a category for duchies in the Netherlands / Low Countries, then it would OVERLAP too much with Category:Former polities in the Netherlands / Category:Former polities in the Low Countries anyway. I'm leaning towards delete now. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Only now I notice that both duchies are already in Category:Duchies of the Holy Roman Empire, so then the category can be deleted indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll add Delete as an Alt proposal then. Thanks for pointing it out! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this is just a collection of titles in an area that is variously described as Burgundian Netherlands, Spanish Netherlands, Habsburg Netherlands, Austrian Netherlands, Low Countries etc. Looks quite WP:OR. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- Low countries is a suitably non-partisan translation of Netherlands. It may be this should be a a subcat of Category:Duchies of the Holy Roman Empire.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Alt nomination, and Marcocapelle discussion and Laurel.
 * Balance so far: 4 Delete (including Marcocapelle and myself; we changed our initial position), 1 Support Rename. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Former polities in the Netherlands
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Category:Odessa Archaeological School
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Odesa Archaeological Museum.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting odessa archaeological school
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains two bios, one of which mentions Odesa Archaeological Society, the other Odesa Archaeological Museum, but neither mentions the school. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: the category appears to be translated from uk:Категорія:Одеська археологічна школа, which has many member articles. I believe it refers to school in the sense of an academic movement or academic community (the museum is also a scholarly research institute). If it is to be retained in this sense, it should be renamed Category:Odesa archeological school or Category:Odesa archaeological school. —Michael Z. 16:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep & populate per Michael Z., who has probably correctly identified it as a school of thought/research based in the city of Odesa since Imperial Russian times. From uk:Категорія:Одеська археологічна школа and its subcategories (which I went through entirely), we can populate it with the following existing linked English Wikipedia articles:
 * Aleksandr Kotseyovsky
 * Vasily Modestov
 * Odesa Archeological Museum
 * Fyodor Uspensky
 * Boris Farmakovsky
 * Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov
 * Nikodim Kondakov
 * Spiridon Palauzov
 * Alexandru Sturdza
 * Vikentiy Khvoyka
 * Alexander Stroganov
 * Spelling: Given that the Odessa Society of History and Antiquities was dissolved in 1922, that name should be spelt with double ss for historical reasons (pre-1991), but the Odesa Archeological Museum and the Odesa Archaeological Society still exist today, so I think the category should be renamed Category:Odesa Archaeological School per WP:C2B Odesa (speedy-renamed 24 July 2022). The name of the museum (which is temporarily closed, and whose website is down) is currently spelt in U.S. spelling e in Archeological on English Wikipedia, but the organisation itself seems to use British spelling ae in Archaeological in both their offline website URL http://www.archaeology.odessa.ua// (which does still use a double ss, but also a British ae) and their official Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/oam.nanu/ Одеський археологічний музей - Odesa Archaeological Museum (which uses a single s, and a British ae), so I think that article should be renamed with British ae. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:26, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: Add to that their official Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/od_archaeology_museum/ Odesa Archaeological Museum. The museum may be closed, their website may be down (both apparently since the February 2022 invasion), but they retain official presence and activity on social media, which favour a Ukrainian spelling of Odesa and a British spelling of Achaeological. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * PPS: I've WP:BOLDly renamed it to Odesa Archaeological Museum per the arguments I've given above. This adds a WP:C2B argument for renaming. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not convincing. Hardly any of these articles mentions an archaeological school, it is clearly not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, not all of them are identified as archaeologists active in or connected to the academic environment of Odesa, at least not on English Wikipedia. But Odesa Archaeological Museum, Boris Farmakovsky, Nikodim Kondakov, and Vikentiy Khvoyka can readily populate this category, and it would no longer be a SMALLCAT. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Archaeology isn't a British spelling; it's one of the few words that is usually spelled with ae in all varieties of English (see the first footnote in archaeology). –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I actually didn't know that. I guess we could also write Wikipaedia from now on (haha)? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:49, 12 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. I've not looked deeply into the sources, but it seems at least plausible that an Odesa school (in the sense Michael Z. explains) exists, and both ukwiki and ruwiki have this category. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Odesa Archaeological Museum per discussion, and populate.
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 * REname to Category:Odesa archaeological school, adopting the current Ukrainian spelling of the name and the English spelling chosen by the museum. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Odesa Archaeological Museum. Having a post graduate course at a museum doesn't necessarily make it a "school". Museums are not uncommonly places for research and learning. And a google search for "Odesa archaeological school" on google only gives Wiki results. I think we're in WP:OR/WP:SYNTH territory here, if we continue to call this a "school". - jc37 10:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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