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Category:Germanic music

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 07:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting germanic music
 * Propose deleting germanic literature
 * Propose deleting germanic culture by country
 * Propose deleting germanic fairy tales
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale (music): WP:NONDEFINING WP:CROSSCAT. Apart from Category:Early Germanic music (which is a WP:SMALLCAT), there is nothing specifically "Germanic" about the subcategories, which are all in the Category:Music by country tree. Just because a Germanic language is the predominant language in each of these countries doesn't mean all their music is necessarily "Germanic", certainly not if it's purely instrumental. Or to take a particularly ridiculous example, most Category:Eurovision songs of Luxembourg are in French, which is not a Germanic language. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale (literature): Again, apart from Category:Early Germanic literature, this is mixing up Category:Literature by country with the predominant native or official language of that country that just so happens to belong to the Germanic language family. Much of, say, Dutch or German or Luxemburgish literature isn't actually written in Dutch, German or Luxemburgish, but Latin, Greek, or French (or nowadays English). E.g. Category:Books by Desiderius Erasmus are Latin or Greek, but in the Dutch books > Dutch literature tree, and there is nothing "Germanic" about them. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale (legends): Again, apart from Category:Germanic heroic legends (and Category:Legendary Norsemen), this is mixing up Category:Legends by country... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, it would not be a problem if these categories would contain articles about early Germanic culture, but instead they contain subcategories of post-early Germanic culture which is usually no longer called Germanic. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, all the exceptions I mentioned are already in Category:Early Germanic culture, so there is no need to merge. Category:Legendary Norsemen could be put in Category:Germanic heroic legends and/or Category:Old Norse literature if we want. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1966 thriller films

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1966 thriller films to Category:1960s thriller films
 * Propose merging Category:1969 thriller films to Category:1960s thriller films
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories, normally diffusing by year starts in 1980. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional people by language family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional people by language family
 * Propose deleting fictional celtic people‎
 * Propose deleting fictional germanic people‎
 * Propose deleting fictional indo-aryan people‎
 * Propose deleting fictional italic people‎
 * Propose deleting fictional slavic people‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to recently deleted "Category:Fictional Turkic people" per WP:NONDEFINING WP:OCEGRS. The very few loose items can be diffused/manually merged into subcats if they're not there already. (E.g. most "fictional Celtic people" are redirects, or already in Category:Asterix characters). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. All of the subcategories here are based on country or ethnicity, not language. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. These categories mainly serve as container categories for fictional characters from nations that are deemed to be Germanic, Celtic etc. which is wrong: most articles in e.g. cannot be considered Celtic people. Other articles either belong in a subcategory or are often about a work, not a character. Note that Category:Slavic folklore characters is already in Category:Slavic people. Place Clichy (talk) 01:07, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete all to Category:Fictional European people - I may have missed some, but the subcats (at least) all seem to be already categorized in Category:Fictional European people (and Category:Fictional European people by country), but just case, probably should merge. - jc37 08:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A just-in-case merger to "European" does not look like a good idea to me. Category:Fictional Indo-Aryan people certainly should be excluded, as it contains Category:Fictional Bengali people. A simple Delete all would prevent any miscategorisations of fictional people who are not portrayed as Europeans / from Europe. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Maya rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Maya monarchs. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Maya rulers to Category:Maya monarchs
 * Alt Rename Category:Maya rulers to Category:Maya kings and queens
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C following recent CfRs more precisely renaming the subcategories, they are currently all Kings, monarchs, queens, or chiefs. Today someone else also renamed the main article to Maya Kings and Queens, so WP:C2D would also apply. I'm not sure it's the best title for the main article, it should certainly be lowercase k and lowercase q. But aside from Maya monarchs as main article title, Maya kings and queens would certainly be compatible with all subcategories. The "chiefs" one were also frequently called "kings", and the "monarch" ones only got that name because there were both kings and queens. So I'm adding it as an Alt option. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support first option. A speedy WP:C2D does not apply because the article has been moved recently without discussion. Considering there is not a Maya-specific reason to provide the article with a deviant new title, WP:C2C should have precedence. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't know that, but it makes sense. I'm fine with either option but technically C2C would take precedence, yes. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of Western European descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people of western european descent
 * Propose deleting people of northern european descent
 * Propose deleting people of southern european descent
 * Propose deleting people of central european descent
 * Propose deleting people of eastern european descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Related cats Category:Western European people, Category:Northern European people etc. were recently deleted per WP:NONDEFINING WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:OCEGRS. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Chilean people of Germanic descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting chilean people of germanic descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate WP:CROSSCAT that violates WP:OCEGRS: people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career. Having a native language that belongs to a certain language family is WP:NONDEFINING for an individual's career. It also assumes that all e.g. "Danish people" – here in the Category:People by nationality tree – are native speakers of Danish (a Germanic language), which is factually wrong. I can name countless recent precedents but the "Category:Germanic people by occupation" CfD is probably most relevant. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm just nominating 1 "of Germanic descent" cat as a test case to keep it simple. If it succeeds, I'll use it as a precedent for all related "Germanic descent" cats. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, the subcategories are already in Category:Chilean people of European descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Western European people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional European people. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Western European people to Category:Fictional European people
 * Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Northern European people to Category:Fictional European people
 * Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Southern European people to Category:Fictional European people
 * Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Central European people to Category:Fictional European people
 * Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Eastern European people to Category:Fictional European people
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up of recently deleted "Category:Northern European people" and "Category:Western European people" etc. per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Upmerging to Category:Fictional European people seems better than outright deletion in this case. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sentient objects in fiction
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Category:English military personnel of the Thirty Years' War
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:English people of the Thirty Years' War. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:English military personnel of the Thirty Years' War to Category:English people of the Thirty Years' War
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT and a trivial intersection because England was not officially involved in the Thirty Years' War. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge -- English (and more particularly Scottish) soldier served in this war, though neither England nor Scotland was a belligerent, but the one person in this category can easily be placed in the target. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sargon
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Sargon (chess). (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sargon to Category:Sargon (chess)
 * Nominator's rationale: With all the entries at the Sargon disambiguation page, I think the name of this category should be more specific. BOZ (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2D, this could have been listed at the speedy page. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Portland Timbers (MLS) coaches
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Portland Timbers (MLS) coaches to Category:Portland Timbers coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Portland Timbers (MLS) seasons to Category:Portland Timbers seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: The article on the MLS side is located at Portland Timbers, so no disambiguation is needed. Also note that this would be consistent with . If the disambiguation were to be preferred, then the year should be used in the category name instead (similar to ) and the player category should fall in line. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. GiantSnowman 01:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support to follow the main article name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:The Basketball League venues
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the basketball league venues
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. The Basketball League is a minor league whose teams usually play in high school gyms and community centers. The teams are not the only or primary tenant of these arenas. User:Namiba 16:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 11:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete classic WP:OCVENUE. Totally different with purpose built stadiums. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Polish People's Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Polish People's Republic (1947–1989). (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Polish People's Republic to Category:People from the Polish People's Republic (1947–1989)
 * Nominator's rationale: I created the target without realising that this category already existed. Anyway, I think that the name of the target is better as they were people from the state, not of the state. Would also help to disambiguate it from the 1944 Stalinist entity - the Provisional People's Government of the Republic of Poland. See also Category:People from the Republic of Poland (1989–present) (which I created today). Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle @Laurel Lodged I'll note that Polish category (connected through interwiki) translates here and for the other category below as "people related to". And it includes Soviet people, such as Soviet ambassadores to Poland or commanders of Soviet troops in Poland. Those people are not "from". <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Whether "of" or "from", Soviet people do not belong in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Second Polish Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People from the Second Polish Republic (1918–1939). (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People of the Second Polish Republic to Category:People from the Second Polish Republic (1918–1939)
 * Nominator's rationale: They were from the state, not of the state. See also Category:People from the Polish People's Republic (1947–1989) and Category:People from the Republic of Poland (1989–present) (which I created today). Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked the interwikid Polish category. It includes categories for emigrants from other countries to Poland. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Polish people of the Thirty Years' War
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Military personnel of the Thirty Years' War. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 17:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting polish people of the thirty years' war
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. Only 1 entry. Unlikely to increase, what with the war being over and all. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support The one article is already in the parent category, so no need to upmerge in this case. There are some other small categories in Category:People of the Thirty Years' War that I'd be open to upmerging. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added the Polish category that was not interwikid and categorized entries based on it. It now has four entries (just like on pl wiki, all articls from pl category exist in pl and en) and I expect few more could be found if we look carefully at biographies of Poles from that period. (Poland was not a participant, but some notable Poles were involved in it as mercenaries and like). Ping User:RevelationDirect, User:Marcocapelle. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article Krzysztof Arciszewski does not mention anything about the subject's activities in the Thirty Years' War. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Right now I'm counting 3 articles that should be there, which is still a WP:SMALLCAT issue. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile we should merge the category to Category:Military personnel of the Thirty Years' War, not all three articles are already in there. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:British people of the Thirty Years' War
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting british people of the thirty years' war
 * Nominator's rationale: The Kingdom of Great Britain did not exist during the course of the Thirty Years' War. Sub-categories already diffused. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Again, no need for an upmerge in this case. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -- It is useful to have this kind of category after 1603, due to there being a united monarchy. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * We do not have Category:17th-century British people either, nor any sort of siblings. It was not a united monarchy yet, but rather a personal union. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kamikaze in fiction
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Category:Films about Kamikaze
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Earthquakes by year
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge, but not to the science categories. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 17:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1605 earthquakes to Category:1600s earthquakes, Category:1605 natural disasters and Category:1605 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1611 earthquakes to Category:1610s earthquakes, Category:1611 natural disasters and Category:1611 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1615 earthquakes to Category:1610s earthquakes, Category:1615 natural disasters and Category:1615 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1620 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1620 natural disasters and Category:1620 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1621 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1621 natural disasters and Category:1621 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1622 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1622 natural disasters and Category:1622 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1625 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1625 natural disasters and Category:1625 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1626 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1626 natural disasters and Category:1626 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1627 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1627 natural disasters and Category:1627 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1628 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1628 natural disasters and Category:1628 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1629 earthquakes to Category:1620s earthquakes, Category:1629 natural disasters and Category:1629 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1630 earthquakes to Category:1630s earthquakes, Category:1630 natural disasters and Category:1630 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1638 earthquakes to Category:1630s earthquakes, Category:1638 natural disasters and Category:1638 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1639 earthquakes to Category:1630s earthquakes, Category:1639 natural disasters and Category:1639 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1641 earthquakes to Category:1640s earthquakes, Category:1641 natural disasters and Category:1641 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1645 earthquakes to Category:1640s earthquakes, Category:1645 natural disasters and Category:1645 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1647 earthquakes to Category:1640s earthquakes, Category:1647 natural disasters and Category:1647 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1653 earthquakes to Category:1650s earthquakes, Category:1653 natural disasters and Category:1653 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1663 earthquakes to Category:1660s earthquakes, Category:1663 natural disasters and Category:1663 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1667 earthquakes to Category:1660s earthquakes, Category:1667 natural disasters and Category:1667 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1668 earthquakes to Category:1660s earthquakes, Category:1668 natural disasters and Category:1668 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1677 earthquakes to Category:1670s earthquakes, Category:1677 natural disasters and Category:1677 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1679 earthquakes to Category:1670s earthquakes, Category:1679 natural disasters and Category:1679 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1687 earthquakes to Category:1680s earthquakes, Category:1687 natural disasters and Category:1687 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1688 earthquakes to Category:1680s earthquakes, Category:1688 natural disasters and Category:1688 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1692 earthquakes to Category:1690s earthquakes, Category:1692 natural disasters and Category:1692 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1693 earthquakes to Category:1690s earthquakes, Category:1693 natural disasters and Category:1693 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1694 earthquakes to Category:1690s earthquakes, Category:1694 natural disasters and Category:1694 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1700 earthquakes to Category:1700s earthquakes, Category:1700 natural disasters and Category:1700 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1703 earthquakes to Category:1700s earthquakes, Category:1703 natural disasters and Category:1703 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1707 earthquakes to Category:1700s earthquakes, Category:1707 natural disasters and Category:1707 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1717 earthquakes to Category:1710s earthquakes, Category:1717 natural disasters and Category:1717 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1721 earthquakes to Category:1720s earthquakes, Category:1721 natural disasters and Category:1721 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1722 earthquakes to Category:1720s earthquakes, Category:1722 natural disasters and Category:1722 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1727 earthquakes to Category:1720s earthquakes, Category:1727 natural disasters and Category:1727 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1730 earthquakes to Category:1730s earthquakes, Category:1730 natural disasters and Category:1730 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1732 earthquakes to Category:1730s earthquakes, Category:1732 natural disasters and Category:1732 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1737 earthquakes to Category:1730s earthquakes, Category:1737 natural disasters and Category:1737 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1738 earthquakes to Category:1730s earthquakes, Category:1738 natural disasters and Category:1738 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1746 earthquakes to Category:1740s earthquakes, Category:1746 natural disasters and Category:1746 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1751 earthquakes to Category:1750s earthquakes, Category:1751 natural disasters and Category:1751 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1755 earthquakes to Category:1750s earthquakes, Category:1755 natural disasters and Category:1755 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1759 earthquakes to Category:1750s earthquakes, Category:1759 natural disasters and Category:1759 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1762 earthquakes to Category:1760s earthquakes, Category:1762 natural disasters and Category:1762 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1763 earthquakes to Category:1760s earthquakes, Category:1763 natural disasters and Category:1763 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1770 earthquakes to Category:1770s earthquakes, Category:1770 natural disasters and Category:1770 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1771 earthquakes to Category:1770s earthquakes, Category:1771 natural disasters and Category:1771 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1773 earthquakes to Category:1770s earthquakes, Category:1773 natural disasters and Category:1773 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1782 earthquakes to Category:1780s earthquakes, Category:1782 natural disasters and Category:1782 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1783 earthquakes to Category:1780s earthquakes, Category:1783 natural disasters and Category:1783 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1786 earthquakes to Category:1780s earthquakes, Category:1786 natural disasters and Category:1786 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1787 earthquakes to Category:1780s earthquakes, Category:1787 natural disasters and Category:1787 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1790 earthquakes to Category:1790s earthquakes, Category:1790 natural disasters and Category:1790 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1792 earthquakes to Category:1790s earthquakes, Category:1792 natural disasters and Category:1792 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1797 earthquakes to Category:1790s earthquakes, Category:1797 natural disasters and Category:1797 in science
 * Propose merging Category:1799 earthquakes to Category:1790s earthquakes, Category:1799 natural disasters and Category:1799 in science
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Not enough per year in 17th/18th centuries. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, but I wonder about the third "in science" merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't love it either. I figured I'd include it to start, but fine with getting rid of it. –Aidan721 (talk) 11:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am formally opposing merging to science because earth quakes themselves are not a scientific activity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support all for now. Fix Science later if needed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support first 2 - agree that an earthquake is not scientific (and is still in Category:1660s in science via a (dubious) subcat). Oculi (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1116 SEN
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1116 sen
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a single radio station without sufficient volume of spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. Apart from the eponym itself, the only other thing here is one show that it airs, so it's also a WP:SMALLCAT -- and judging by its article, the only potential for expansion would involve categorizing individual staffers, which would violate WP:PERFCAT. Bearcat (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for Now with no objection to recreation if it every gets up to 5+ articles defined by the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. (I don't think WP:OCEPON is applicable to non-biographical categories.) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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French emigrants
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge Category:Wallis and Futuna emigrants to New Zealand‎ to Category:Wallis and Futuna emigrants and Category:French emigrants to New Zealand‎
 * Upmerge Category:Wallis and Futuna emigrants to Fiji‎ to Category:Wallis and Futuna emigrants and Category:French emigrants to Fiji‎
 * Upmerge Category:Martiniquais emigrants to Canada‎ to Category:Martiniquais emigrants and Category:French emigrants to Canada‎
 * Upmerge Category:French Polynesian emigrants to Vanuatu‎ to Category:French Polynesian emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Vanuatu‎
 * Upmerge Category:French Polynesian emigrants to Australia‎ to Category:French Polynesian emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Australia‎


 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Seychelles‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Seychelles‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Republic of the Congo‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Republic of the Congo‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Comoros‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Comoros‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Cape Colony‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Cape Colony‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Taiwan‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Taiwan‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Qatar‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Qatar‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to pre-Confederation Newfoundland‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to pre-Confederation Newfoundland‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Pakistan‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Pakistan‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Mauritius‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Mauritius‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Mali‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Mali‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Lebanon‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Lebanon‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Laos‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Laos‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Jamaica‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Jamaica‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Ivory Coast‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Ivory Coast‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Iceland‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Iceland‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Hungary‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Hungary‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Guyana‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Guyana‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Guinea‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Guinea‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Guatemala‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Guatemala‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Greenland‎ to Category:French emigrants to Denmark and Category:Immigrants to Greenland‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Greece‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Greece‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Fiji‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Fiji‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Ecuador‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Ecuador‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Cyprus‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Cyprus‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Cuba‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Cuba‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Cambodia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Cambodia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Bulgaria‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Bulgaria‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Bolivia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Bolivia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Austria-Hungary‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Austria-Hungary‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Armenia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Armenia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Andorra‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Andorra‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from the French West Indies to the United States‎ to Category:Caribbean emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the United States‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Swedish Empire‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Swedish Empire‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Holy Roman Empire‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Holy Roman Empire‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the German Empire‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the German Empire‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Dutch Republic‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Dutch Republic‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Austrian Empire‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Austrian Empire‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to Romania‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Romania‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to Ireland when part of the United Kingdom‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Ireland (before 1923)‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Yugoslavia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Yugoslavia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Philippines‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Philippines‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to the Dutch Republic‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Dutch Republic‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Prussia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Prussia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to pre-Confederation Ontario‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to pre-Confederation Ontario‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Portugal‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Portugal‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Niger‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Niger‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Luxembourg‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Luxembourg‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Iran‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Iran‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Indonesia‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Indonesia‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Haiti‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Haiti‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Gabon‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Gabon‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to China‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to China‎
 * Upmerge Category:French emigrants to Chad‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Chad‎
 * Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to the Russian Empire‎ to Category:French emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Russian Empire‎

* Oppose countries with compound names Despite what has been written above, there is no "Consensus at recent cfds" that has definitively and universally "endorsed the 'fooian emigrants to boo' format". That imposition is still being robustly opposed. It certainly has no consensus in the case of those countries with compound names that defy an easy demonym. While their use is to be generally decried, they are particularly useless with multi-ethnic empires, many former countries and countries with compound names. In this instance, I oppose the nominations for Wallis and Futuna, French Polynesia, and French West Indies. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rationale: previous cfds such as 2022 October 4#Category:Emigrants from the United States to British India and 2022 October 4#Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to British India have upmerged small categories to their relevant parents. The above are all small (1 or 2 articles) and should be similarly upmerged. Consensus at recent cfds has endorsed the 'fooian emigrants to boo' format (in categories where the local parent is 'fooian people'): 2023 April 12#Category:Liechtenstein emigrants and 2023 April 8#Emigrants. Oculi (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Since no renames are proposed here I wasn't initially sure if this iVote on the right nomination. (If any of the target categories with compound names should be renamed, I'm open minded but that can be in a future nomination.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose stricken. I have instead, per the wise advice of ,proposed that the contents of  be renamed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyone is free to propose or  or for that matter  for a rename. Oculi (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now per WP:SMALLCAT with no objection to recreating any if they reach 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rankine Lecturers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Rankine Lecturers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
 * The British Geotechnical Association hosts an annual Rankine Lecture and invites a speaker who is already a prominent geotechnical engineer. This performance isn't treated as defining in the articles, which are already in Category:Geotechnical engineers or other engineer cats. The category contents are already listed right here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly a PERFCAT, but the list in the main article does the job much better. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:United Service Organizations entertainers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:United Service Organizations entertainers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT)
 * The USO is an American charity where celebrities volunteer to entertain troops. According to that main article, during World War II alone, "the USO did 293,738 performances in 208,178 separate visits". The Robin Williams, Lucille Ball and Fred Astaire articles mention this performance in passing while Judy Garland, Zac Brown, and Salma Hayek don't mention it at all. (Bob Hope is the only one I found defined by the association, but his article is already well linked.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because a Category is not complete yet is not a reason to delete. There are many categories that are not complete yet. The names should be added, not the Category deleted.Telecine Guy (talk) 01:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There's no claim of WP:SMALLCAT here. Participation is so ubiquitous, I have no doubt this category could grow to thousands of entries. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. At most a footnote in an entertainer's career. Oculi (talk) 03:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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