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Category:Water polo at the Summer Universiade templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting water polo at the summer universiade templates
 * Propose merging Category:Water polo at the Summer Universiade navigational boxes to Category:Summer Universiade sports navigational boxes and Category:International water polo competition navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: One template. Merge and delete. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Video on demand series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 19:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video on demand series
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category for a very long time. Category:Video on demand services is sufficient for such articles. -- SM7 --talk-- 20:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with deletion, oppose with merging to the services category as this isn't a service. Place the single article in Category:American web series or one of its sub-categories. Gonnym (talk) 12:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Video on demand services per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Catalan basketball teams

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) C LYDE   TALK TO ME / STUFF DONE  (please OOUI icon userAdd-ltr.svg mention me on reply) 03:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Catalan basketball teams to Category:Basketball teams in Catalonia
 * Nominator's rationale: Per convention re subnational grouping names (I believe countries are also now being renamed as such) Crowsus (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom Kaffet i halsen (talk) 22:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Basque basketball teams

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 * The result of the discussion was: renamed. Courcelles (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Basque basketball teams to Category:Basketball teams in the Basque Country (autonomous community)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per convention re subnational grouping names (I believe countries are also now being renamed as such) Crowsus (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom Kaffet i halsen (talk) 22:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian police officers

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian police officers
 * Propose deleting french polynesian farmers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (2). If retained, rename to "Police officers from French Polynesia" and "Farmers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - also oppose any merger into a French category. French Polynesia may be a colony of France, but is at the same time an autonomous region, and a separate place. Its category structure should reflect that. If the category is small, simply merge it back into French Polynesian people. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was not entirely sure about the French merge target (hence "I guess...") but aren't French Polynesian people formally also French people? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes (as part of its colonial project, France has historically denied the identity of those they colonise). But its also legally autonomous, an Overseas country of France, and the French Polynesians certainly seem to have a sense of themselves as a separate place and to want more autonomy (every domestic French Polynesian political party is at least pro-autonomy, and the election was just won by those pushing for full independence). As for how this translates into a category structure, I think its fine to include French Polynesian categories under French ones (in the same way as would be done for say a normal French province), but not to merge them into it. IdiotSavant (talk) 10:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but I guess they should be merged to Category:French police officers and Category:French farmers respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added each article to to Category:French police officers and Category:French farmers respectively. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge also to, obviously. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * the articles are already in other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, that also applies to the nominations below. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose per IdiotSavant, this is an autonomous region with it's own legal system and law enforcement. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 00:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Query how is it's status as "an autonomous region with it's own legal system and law enforcement" relevant to the nomination? Even if it was a sovereign state, that would not prevent the deletion of the category if it did not have sufficient articles  to warrant categorisation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note - as a general note for all of these: WPSMALLCAT is based on the idea of "no potential for growth". WikiProject Polynesia/French Polynesia work group has been historically neglected and currently has fewer than 1400 articles. I've been working (slowly) on remedying that, partly by translating articles from French Wikipedia, partly by writing new ones (unfortunately, I've been distracted recently by having to fix a bunch of BLPs from Fiji). Some of these categories are likely to expand in future; if they are deleted, then some may need to be re-created to avoid undercategorisation.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - no longer meets WP:SMALLCAT--IdiotSavant (talk) 03:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Agree with the points made by User:IdiotSavant above. Scanlan (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian musicians
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (2). If retained, rename to "Musicians from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but I guess it should be merged to Category:French musicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <STRIKE>Merge also to, obviously.</STRIKE> Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <STRIKE>Support merge - this seems to be a better solution for small categories. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)</STRIKE>
 * The articles are already in other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * One of the other problems we have here is inconsistent categorisation with various "Tahitian" categories. For example, in this case, there's more people buried in Category:Tahitian women singers a few levels down. Merging that back up I think would be a better alternative than deleting the higher-level category.--IdiotSavant (talk) 04:12, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent observation. I have tagged Category:Tahitian women singers for the alternative nomination below. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tahitian women singers to Category:Tahitian women, Category:Oceanian singers and Category:French Polynesian musicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added more articles, so I don't think this meets WP:SMALLCAT anymore. IdiotSavant (talk) 06:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, Category:French Polynesian musicians is quite well populated now, but we should still merge Category:Tahitian women singers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep , merge Category:Tahitian women singers per Marcocapelle. Oculi (talk) 10:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - The category should be kept regardless, but, addressing the nominator's original rationale, it's no longer a small category. Scanlan (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian medical doctors
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 17:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian medical doctors
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Medical doctors from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but I guess it should be merged to Category:French medical doctors. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <STRIKE>Merge also to, obviously. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)</STRIKE>
 * Support merge IdiotSavant (talk) 00:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in another subcategory of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose - no longer meets WP:SMALLCAT.--IdiotSavant (talk) 02:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - now 9 articles. Oculi (talk) 08:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - no longer fits the definition of small category. Scanlan (talk) 02:03, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian lawyers
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Category:French Polynesian criminals
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French criminals. Both entries are already in Category:Mayors of places in French Polynesia. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian criminals
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Criminals from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:French Polynesian people. Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French criminals. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in another subcategory of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian historians
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French historians. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian historians
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Historians from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:French Polynesian people. Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French historians. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in lots of other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian folklorists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French folklorists. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian folklorists
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Folklorists from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French folklorists. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in lots of other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. This is a single-person category. I'd need to add a lot of academics for it to get bigger. IdiotSavant (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian ethnologists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French ethnologists. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian ethnologists
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Ethnologists from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French ethnologists. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:French Polynesian people. Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in lots of other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. This is a single-person category. I'd need to add a lot of academics for it to get bigger. IdiotSavant (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian engineers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French engineers. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian engineers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. If retained, rename to "Engineers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French engineers. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to . Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian dancers
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian dancers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Smallcat (2). If retained, rename to "Dancers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French dancers. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to . Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The articles are already in other subcategories of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * How many do I need not to meet WP:SMALLCAT? I'm adding another easy translation tonight, of fr:Madeleine Moua, which will give 8 articles, and I have a target list for other possible additions.--IdiotSavant (talk) 06:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep There are now 11 entries in the category. The accepted threshold for WP:SMALLCAT is 5 articles. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian choreographers
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polynesian choreographers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. If retained, rename to "Choreographers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge  to and Category:French choreographers. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to . Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial. --IdiotSavant (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is already in Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Merge' is not an oppose and would make no difference in this case. I say 'merge' because others might add further articles which might need merging. People in Overseas France are generally French and vote in French elections. Oculi (talk) 23:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose - no longer meets WP:SMALLCAT.--IdiotSavant (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Paracanoeists of Tahiti
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting paracanoeists of tahiti
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. Already in cat Paracanoeists. If retained, rename to "Paracanoeists from Tahiti". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support  - Patrick Viriamu seems adequately categorised. 'of' seems to be the norm in Category:Olympic competitors by country for some reason, so keep 'of' if retained. Oculi (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support – I also see paracanoeists (and paratriathletes) are put into the Category:Paralympic competitors by country. Viriamu hasn't represented Tahiti in that event and a category including Viriamu outside the Paralympics would be Paracanoeists from Tahiti or Tahitian paracanoeists I think. All paracanoeists are not necessarily Paralympic competitors (as Viriamu appears to be a case of) and the Paralympic ones would need the somewhat ugly name Paralympic paracanoeists by country. Regarding of/from the category is in the Category:Paralympic competitors by country where country means country/National Olympic/Paralympic Committee represented and could be for based on the parents Category:Olympic competitors by country/Category:Paralympic competitors by country but then many categories would need to moved. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


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French Polynesi descent
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 15%23French Polynesi descent

People from French Polynesia
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 17:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people to Category:People from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian educators to Category:Educators from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian civil servants to Category:Civil servants from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian religious leaders to Category:Religious leaders from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian actors to Category:Actors from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian actresses to Category:Actresses from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian businesspeople to Category:Businesspeople from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian expatriates to Category:Expatriates from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian emigrants to Category:Emigrants from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian women by occupation to Category:Women from French Polynesia by occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian women to Category:Women from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian men by occupation to Category:Men from French Polynesia by occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian men to Category:Men from French Polynesia
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people by religion to Category:People from French Polynesia by religion
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people by occupation to Category:People from French Polynesia by occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people by island to Category:People from French Polynesia by island
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from French Polynesia by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose renaming Category:French Polynesian people with disabilities to Category:People from French Polynesia with disabilities
 * Nominator's rationale: The demonyn "French Polynesian" is ugly. It's best for multi-ethnic empires and countries with compound names to avoid demonyms. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose  - "French Polynesian" is perfectly fine, as is say French Canadian. Oculi (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply That argument cannot be maintained. French Canadian refers to an ethnic group; French Polynesia is not an ethnic group. Instead, French Polynesia refers to a rather random collection of islands that were colonised by France. Some neighbouring islands were colonised by other Great Powers and so are not in French Polynesia, despite their geographic proximity. The ethnic links among islands and groups of islands are stronger than French boundaries and transcend colonial demarcation. It is a form of imperialism to perpetuate the notion that such outmoded 19th-century labels have any legitimacy.Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * So are most countries in Africa that were French colonies, but there's no objection to Category:Malian people despites its high cultural diversity. French Polynesia is a single territory, so any objections based on political correctness is WP:RGW. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This site says the demonym for 'French Polynesia' is 'French Polynesian', a nationality. So, as I said, "French Polynesian" is perfectly fine. No-one is claiming it is an ethnicity. The nom is claiming it is ugly, which is entirely subjective. (The nominator is perhaps under the impression that French Polynesia is a former country.) Oculi (talk) 00:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really. That same site also has a page dedicated to demonyms. "French Polynesian" is not listed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Google Trends also has some interesting results here. Even just one island - Tahiti - gets many more hits than "French Polynesian" as a whole. Do people really say, "I am a proud French Polynesian man."? Or are they more likely to say "I am a proud Tahitian man."? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment There seems to be a small error in the nomination, it should be "Category:Women from French Polynesia by occupation", not "Category:French Women from French Polynesia by occupation". S.A. Julio (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Corrected. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Further comment - we have naming conventions, enshrined by previous consensus in Category names, which quite clearly yields 'French Polynesian'. Oculi (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Even further comment None of those mention multi-ethlic empires such as the Ottoman Empire, Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire. Why? Because it is difficult / futile to construct demonyms for them. The same is true for countries with compound names such as Democratic Republic of Congo and many former, mainly colonial era, countries. Applying a fake or forced demonym is just post hoc justification of colonization; we should have nothing to do with it, especially when a solution that avoids such an outcome is so readily to hand. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As I have said elsewhere, French Polynesia is not a former country so, as usual, such comparisons are irrelevant. Oculi (talk) 10:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - the category is not intended to be an ethnic group, but just to cover people from that part of the world. Because that part of the world was and still is colonised, its has an ugly colonial name (rather like "New Zealand" TBH). That's an unpleasant reality, but wikipedia should honestly reflect it. We can rename the categories when they change their name (and there are proposals for that).--IdiotSavant (talk) 14:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. But that's not an argument to oppose the nominations. There is nothing wrong with the target names and there is a lot wrong with the current names (they are not 'fine'). Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Would it be more appealing to you if maybe tweaked to French Polynesia fooers (similar to New Zealand, DR Congo etc)? Crowsus (talk) 04:11, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose: "It's ugly" is totally subjective and "down with the tyranny of" is not an argument. The category tree is in line with Category names. The nominator seems to suggest that this is a "fake or forced demonym" but has no evidence for that. On the contrary, the term appears in the CIA world factbook. Furius (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Furius. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


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Tsunamis by year
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1627 tsunamis to Category:1627 natural disasters and Category:1620s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1687 tsunamis to Category:1687 natural disasters and Category:1680s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1693 tsunamis to Category:1693 natural disasters and Category:1690s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1700 tsunamis to Category:1700 natural disasters and Category:1700s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1703 tsunamis to Category:1703 natural disasters and Category:1700s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1707 tsunamis to Category:1707 natural disasters and Category:1700s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1737 tsunamis to Category:1737 natural disasters and Category:1730s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1746 tsunamis to Category:1746 natural disasters and Category:1740s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1751 tsunamis to Category:1751 natural disasters and Category:1750s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1755 tsunamis to Category:1755 natural disasters and Category:1750s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1762 tsunamis to Category:1762 natural disasters and Category:1760s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1766 tsunamis to Category:1766 natural disasters and Category:1760s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1770 tsunamis to Category:1770 natural disasters and Category:1770s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1771 tsunamis to Category:1771 natural disasters and Category:1770s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1790 tsunamis to Category:1790 natural disasters and Category:1790s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1792 tsunamis to Category:1792 natural disasters and Category:1790s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1797 tsunamis to Category:1797 natural disasters and Category:1790s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1833 tsunamis to Category:1833 natural disasters and Category:1830s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1835 tsunamis to Category:1835 natural disasters and Category:1830s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1837 tsunamis to Category:1837 natural disasters and Category:1830s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1842 tsunamis to Category:1842 natural disasters and Category:1840s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1852 tsunamis to Category:1852 natural disasters and Category:1850s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1854 tsunamis to Category:1854 natural disasters and Category:1850s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1855 tsunamis to Category:1855 natural disasters and Category:1850s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1856 tsunamis to Category:1856 natural disasters and Category:1850s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1861 tsunamis to Category:1861 natural disasters and Category:1860s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1868 tsunamis to Category:1868 natural disasters and Category:1860s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1871 tsunamis to Category:1871 natural disasters and Category:1870s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1877 tsunamis to Category:1877 natural disasters and Category:1870s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1881 tsunamis to Category:1881 natural disasters and Category:1880s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1883 tsunamis to Category:1883 natural disasters and Category:1880s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1888 tsunamis to Category:1888 natural disasters and Category:1880s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1889 tsunamis to Category:1889 natural disasters and Category:1880s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1894 tsunamis to Category:1894 natural disasters and Category:1890s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1896 tsunamis to Category:1896 natural disasters and Category:1890s tsunamis
 * Propose merging Category:1899 tsunamis to Category:1899 natural disasters and Category:1890s tsunamis
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Not enough per year in 18th/19th centuries. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support all per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ilulissat templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ilulissat templates to Category:Greenland navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: This category created in 2011 consists of a single navbox: Template:Ilulissat. Propose merge per WP:SMALLCAT. —⁠andrybak (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Henri Dupuy de Lôme
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting henri dupuy de lôme
 * Nominator's rationale: The only member of the category is a submarine based partially on this engineer's work. This is not enough for an eponymous category. Pichpich (talk) 02:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. We have "what links here" for this. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


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