Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 4

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Antigua and Barbuda task force project categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting stub-class parish of saint john articles
 * Propose deleting parish of saint john articles by quality
 * Propose deleting low-importance parish of saint john articles
 * Propose deleting mid-importance parish of saint john articles
 * Propose deleting stub-class parish of saint john articles
 * Propose deleting parish of saint paul articles by importance
 * Propose deleting high-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting mid-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting na-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting unknown-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting top-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting low-importance parish of saint paul articles
 * Propose deleting high-importance parish of saint mary articles
 * Propose deleting mid-importance parish of saint george articles
 * Propose deleting high-importance parish of saint peter articles

Cluster of WikiProject categories of dubious utility. Within the past week or so, one user arbitrarily started splitting WikiProject Antigua and Barbuda up into numerous task forces for individual civil parishes without any obvious attempt at establishing a consensus that it was needed in the first place for such a small country, but their efforts also resulted in the generation of a couple of dozen underpopulated one-or-two-article class-assessment and quality-rating categories for each individual task force, and while they created a few of the resulting categories (i.e. the ones I'm listing here), they left many more of them sitting redlinked for Special:WantedCategories to have to clean up. But our task force rules explicitly state that task forces are supposed to just use the Wikiproject's existing class-assessment and quality-rating infrastructures and categories rather than creating their own separate ones, meaning that none of the categories could be justifiably created for just one or two articles. So the WikiProject's banner template has accordingly been reset to class-rate and quality-rate articles into Antigua and Barbuda class and quality categories instead of separate parish-specific class and quality categories, which left these empty with no pressing need to retain them since they should never have existed in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 23:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Suonii180 (talk) 08:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Crossword compilers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 13%23Category:Crossword compilers

Category:Odessa Archaeological School
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 13%23Category:Odessa Archaeological School

Floods by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in El Salvador to Category:Natural disasters in El Salvador and Category:Water in El Salvador
 * Propose deleting Category:Floods in Central America
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Bolivia to Category:Natural disasters in Bolivia and Category:Water in Bolivia
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Guyana to Category:Natural disasters in Guyana and Category:Water in Guyana
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Suriname to Category:Natural disasters in Suriname and Category:Water in Suriname
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Bhutan to Category:Natural disasters in Bhutan and Category:Water in Bhutan
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Cambodia to Category:Natural disasters in Cambodia and Category:Water in Cambodia
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Jordan to Category:Natural disasters in Jordan and Category:Water in Jordan
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Kazakhstan to Category:Natural disasters in Kazakhstan and Category:Water in Kazakhstan
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Laos to Category:Natural disasters in Laos and Category:Water in Laos
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in the United Arab Emirates to Category:Natural disasters in the United Arab Emirates and Category:Water in the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Yemen to Category:Natural disasters in Yemen and Category:Water in Yemen
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Angola to Category:Natural disasters in Angola and Category:Water in Angola
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Burundi to Category:Natural disasters in Burundi and Category:Water in Burundi
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Djibouti to Category:Natural disasters in Djibouti and Category:Water in Djibouti
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Kenya to Category:Natural disasters in Kenya and Category:Water in Kenya
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Rwanda to Category:Natural disasters in Rwanda and Category:Water in Rwanda
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Somalia to Category:Natural disasters in Somalia and Category:Water in Somalia
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Zambia to Category:Natural disasters in Zambia and Category:Water in Zambia
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Albania to Category:Natural disasters in Albania and Category:Water in Albania
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Belarus to Category:Natural disasters in Belarus and Category:Water in Belarus
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Georgia (country) to Category:Natural disasters in Georgia (country) and Category:Water in Georgia (country)
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in North Macedonia to Category:Natural disasters in North Macedonia and Category:Water in North Macedonia
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Norway to Category:Natural disasters in Norway and Category:Water in Norway
 * Propose merging Category:Floods in Sweden to Category:Natural disasters in Sweden and Category:Water in Sweden


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in each of these categories so far, which does not justify having a category in . Merge without prejudice to re-creation if and when there are multiple articles. The member articles are already within the other parent hierarchies e.g. (for the first one) via – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC).

William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Commonwealth sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:32, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting british sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting english sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting canadian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT parallel to Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent. WP:COP-HERITAGE allows only descent or diaspora.


 * Summary: This recently created parallel category tree was also populated by the same continent and region decent subcategories. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial intersection between occupation and ancestors' nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting german sportspeople by ethnic or national origin (empty)
 * Propose deleting irish sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting romanian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting sri lankan sportspeople by ethnic or national origin (emptying)
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT parallel to Category:Sportspeople by ethnic or national descent. WP:COP-HERITAGE allows only descent or diaspora.


 * In most cases, only a Jewish subcategory remains. They are correctly categorized By nationality and occupation and Category:Jewish sportspeople by nationality, so removal of parallel national origin will have no effect.


 * Summary: This recently created parallel category tree was also populated by the same continent and region decent subcategories. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.


 * Followup to:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 27
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 21


 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * More have emptied or are emptying as prior nominations have closed.


 * Delete all per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial intersection between occupation and ancestors' ethnicity or nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Query Is there much difference between this tree structure and the Category:Sportspeople by country of descent tree structure? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * yes there is. is organized by 'old' country (e.g. ) while  is/was organized by 'new' country (e.g. ). That's not unlike  vs. . However, the origin category was butchered and full of ineligible categories (such as arbitrary racial and regional categories) that were deleted in the discussions linked above, making it mostly empty and useless, besides most triple intersections of nationality, occupation and origin being considered trivial by many editors. Place Clichy (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Footballers' wives and girlfriends
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting footballers' wives and girlfriends
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless middle category between Category:Wives by occupation of partner and Category:Association footballers' wives and girlfriends. Might be useful to move talk page to the latter or do some sorts of histmerge. Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as there is little connection between the fact that these sports share 19th-century historic roots and the fame acquired as wives and girlfriends of famous sportsmen. All children categories (for Gaelic football, association football, rugby league and rugby union) are already in parent, so there is nothing to merge. There is also a , don't know why it was skipped. Place Clichy (talk) 10:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete All the subcats are already listed in the parent category, so need for a merge in this case. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and RD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, the sub cats and the parent cats suffice. GiantSnowman 18:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Gaelic footballers' wives and girlfriends
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gaelic footballers' wives and girlfriends
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDEFINING, also following other sportspeople wag's deletion nominations. Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete 2 of the 3 articles are not defined by the association. (The third article, Máirín Lynch, honestly is defined by the association but that may be an editing issue.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Her husband Jack Lynch is known for being politician though. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The three articles and one redirect are better known for other things than their WaG status, and are so defined in the article introduction: as the assassinated daughter of [...] Gaelic football manager Mickey Harte,  as the wife of Jack Lynch, who served as Taoiseach, and  and  by their own sporting career. Place Clichy (talk) 10:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This should be closed the same way as the many similar discussions on yesterday's CfD page. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Problems in spatial analysis
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. WP:SMALLCAT issues have been resolved; creation of a list can be handled independently. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 20:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify Category:Problems in spatial analysis to article List of problems in spatial analysis
 * Nominator's rationale: or Spatial analysis; WP:SMALLCAT. fgnievinski (talk) 02:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I won't argue with anyone who wants to take this on and will offer help if necessary. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔ ) 03:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I created the category originally to organize these topics, and I have a few articles for problems in spatial analysis in the works. I support the creation of such a list page if someone wants to put in the effort to make it. Obviously, this would take a bit of work. One question/suggestion I have is whether creating a list article in addition to the category might be better than converting the category to an article.
 * Comment, whether a category or a list, "problems" seem very broad. It may be recommendable to narrow that down. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose — (1C 6P) is not small anymore. All articles and categories have "problem", "paradox", or "fallacy" in the title. Nicely done, . Spatial analysis list would be a good idea, too.


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Category:Geographical regions
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Geographical regions to Category:Geopolitical regions
 * Nominator's rationale: as per definition given in the category; there is nothing in geographic region restricting its scope. Note also we already have Category:Regions for the general case. fgnievinski (talk) 00:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, I do not think anything in this category really fits the concept "geopolitical". Nom still has a point that there is nothing in geographic region restricting its scope, but then manually merging the content Category:Regions makes more sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose — the parents are Category:Geography and Category:Regions. This is exactly where such same named sub-categories belong (such as Category:Geographical regions of Bulgaria‎).
 * Category:Regions is a child category of Category:Geography by location so parenting Category:Geographical regions to Category:Geography is surely redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I'd not thought to look at the parental tree. I'd only looked at the children.


 * Oppose "geopolitical" has an entirely different and very WP:SUBJECTIVECAT meaning. Moreover, "geographical" isn't redundant just because its grandparent is Category:Geography by location. I think Category:Geographical regions should mostly be understood in contrast to its siblings, especially the following: Category:Agricultural regions, Category:Cultural regions, Category:Historical regions, Category:Military districts and regions, Category:Natural regions, Category:Physiographic divisions. "historical" and "military" have administrative meaning, "cultural" an anthropological meaning, "agricultural" a biological/socio-economic meaning, "natural" a biological/geological/climatological meaning, and "physiographic", a geological/plate-tectonical meaning. Where does "geographical" fit in? I'm not entire sure, but I would say it overlaps most strongly with the latter two, while not being identical with them. E.g. natural region is defined as a region which is distinguished by its common natural features of geography, geology, and climate, while physiographic region has something to do with physical geography and geomorphology, but nothing with climate, for example. Whichever way you put it, however, Category:Geographical regions probably has nothing to do with politics or geopolitics. That political description was not added to the category until 2 years ago, which I think was a bad decision that should be reversed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: When Metternich stated in the early 19th century that Italien ist ein geographischer Begriff ("Italy is a geographical term"), he was making the point that it was not politically united. The article Italy (geographical region) confirms this point exactly. From this perspective, calling a region "geographical" exactly means it is not "political". We shouldn't confuse the two. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:34, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


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