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Category:Philippines topic navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Philippines navigational boxes. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Philippines topic navigational boxes to Category:Philippines navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: The only template in Category:Philippines topic navigational boxes specific to "topicality" is Philippines topics, which is a regular navbox, unlike templates in the category Category:Configurable area-topic templates (e.g. Asia topic). The other members of the category: subcat Category:Philippines political leader navigational boxes and template Philippine Supreme Court composition aren't related to configurable topic-templates at all, and should be categorized under Category:Philippines navigational boxes and other subcategories of Category:Philippines templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Support as template's creator. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Baseball chronology category header templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Baseball chronology category header templates to Category:Sports chronology category header templates
 * Propose deleting baseball category header templates
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. One template. Dual merge is not needed since template is already in that tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1905 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football season

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:1905 college football season. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1905 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football season to Category:1905 college football season
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. One entry. Also not seeing any evidence that this association even existed for this season. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Triangle players
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting triangle players
 * Nominator's rationale: Unlike percussion instruments such as the tambourine or marimba, the triangle is not a primary instrument of any of these players. It is simply played as a common instrument as their duties as percussionists. See also Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 21 Why? I Ask (talk) 19:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Greek women rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ancient Greek queens regnant.  bibliomaniac  1  5  19:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Greek women rulers to Category:Ancient Greek queens regnant
 * Re-parent to Category:Ancient queens regnant
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B/WP:C2C The description explicitly states: Women who ruled in their own right in the time of Ancient Greece. For the wives of kings, see Category:Ancient Greek queens consort. The standard term for that is queen regnant, and there is in fact a Category:Ancient queens regnant, to which it should be re-parented. All 6 women in the category are already confirmed as queens regnant. All siblings of the category in Category:Ancient Greek rulers are also monarchs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose, not all of them were queens regnant, Etazeta of Bithynia was regnant of her sons, Nicaea of Corinth was wife of tyrant etc. Marcelus (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is true. Etazeta of Bithynia is in Category:3rd-century BC Kings of Bithynia and Category:Rulers of Bithynia (which is scheduled to be moved to Category:Monarchs of Bithynia); she is not categorised as Category:Ancient Greek regents or Category:Female regents etc. Similarly, Nicaea of Corinth inherited Corinth after her husband's death, just like Etazeta did. There is no indication they didn't have the full powers and authority of a monarch. If not, then these two women have been wrongly categorised in more ways than one, and they should be removed from Category:Ancient Greek women rulers and moved to Category:Ancient Greek queens consort as the description demands, instead of keeping that category under its current name. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nederlandse Leeuw, @Marcocapelle Etazeta wasn't a ruler on her own right, she was ruling in the name of her infant sons, as regent. In Hellenistic period Corinth wasn't ruled by kings, but by tyrants, both Alexander and his wife were tyrants. Cratesipolis was also tyrant of Corinth. Agathoclea Theotropus was regent of her son.
 * Tyrants weren't kings nor queens. Marcelus (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Tyrants can be kings and queens, sometimes ruling only a single city. "One of the earliest known uses of the word tyrant (in Greek) was by the poet Archilochus, who lived three centuries before Plato, in reference to king Gyges of Lydia." However, "Alexander renounced his alliance with Antigonus and was bribed with the title of governor of the Peloponnese to reconcile himself to Cassander." Presumably Cratesipolis is miscategorized as tyrant, as she was only a governor "in subjection under Cassander." Cassander was styled a king.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Etazeta of Bithynia is a bit of a question mark, but I would not purge it. Nicaea of Corinth was the successor of her husband, although it seems not for very long. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Having a very short reign is never a reason not to categorise someone as a monarch; e.g. Dipendra of Nepal was king for only 4 days while in a coma, but legally, he was the king, and is thus categorised as such. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:03, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and above clarifications. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose I really don't see what the point of all these recent moves has been. I don't think "ruler" is worse than "monarch" in many cases. Not to mention some ancient rulers weren't monarchs but sometimes diarchs or tetriarchs etc.★Trekker (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to understand the background of this process, I'd recommend you to read the Rulers CfM. If you don't think "monarchs" is worse than "rulers" in this CfR, there is no reason for you to oppose this CfR. If you don't care, there is no reason for you to participate in this CfR in the first place (or you could just vote 'Neutral'). Lastly, there are no 'diarchs or tetriarchs' in this CfR, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As far as I see it all these moves have been pointless and potentially harmful.★Trekker (talk) 00:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Precedents of the past several months have shown the community is thinking otherwise. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it has been decided to move away from "rulers" to something clearer and more defining on a case-by-case basis. Therefore, the community is recognising that these noms have a point. And I still don't see you objecting to anything related to this specific CfR. If you could provide examples of "harmful" moves, and reasons why they are "harmful", that might be helpful for the community to take into account. Otherwise it seems little more than a vague general objection to a process based on an unsupported personal opinion, which provides nothing useful for the community to take into account. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — purge to diarchs and tetriarchs as necessary.
 * Balance so far: 4 support (myself included), 2 oppose. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:09, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Gabon culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: I'm just going to close this as No action - please feel free to start a new discussion at editorial discretion. - jc37 09:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Gabon culture to Category:Gabonese culture
 * Nominator's rationale: merge and rename to Category:Culture of Gabon per C2D Culture of Gabon. Nagsb (talk) 18:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge but do not rename, the merge target aligns well with siblings in Category:African culture by country and the category content may also include expatriate Gabonese culture (i.e. outside Gabon). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural issue: Nagsb is a sockpuppet.


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Category:Saparmyrat Nyýazow
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Saparmurat Niyazov. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Saparmyrat Nyýazow to Category:Saparmurat Niyazov
 * Nominator's rationale: Category named after a person. The article for the person was recently retitled to a more common spelling, and this proposal would bring the category in line with that article. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: Just saw the speedy criteria and I think this meets WP:C2D. Proposed title was the main article's longstanding article title, before the main article was WP:BOLDly moved to Saparmyrat Nyýazow and then moved back after an RM. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Classic Reruns TV affiliates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:NOST affiliates. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Classic Reruns TV affiliates to Category:NOST affiliates
 * Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Rebranded 4/3/2023 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename I also changed the main article in the category header, which had turned into a redirect. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Association football events curtailed due to the September 11 attacks
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sports events affected by the September 11 attacks. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting association football events curtailed due to the september 11 attacks
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, there will only ever be 4 notable events in this category. There doesn't seem to be a good upmerge category, since the tree only contains these articles until you get up to Category:Aftermath of the September 11 attacks, which seems like a bad category for these articles to be in. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:53, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Sports events affected by the September 11 attacks. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Aidan. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Aidan. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Aidan. GiantSnowman 12:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


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Top scorers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Ukrainian Cup top scorers
 * Propose deleting Category:Lists of association football tournament top scorers
 * Propose deleting Category:Association football tournament top scorers
 * Nominator's rationale: Being the top scorer in one season of the Ukrainian Cup is WP:NOTDEFINING, because there are comparatively few games in a cup tournament like this compared to a league season. And no evidence of significant coverage of these top scorers. If this category is deleted, then its two parent categories will be empty, and they are not needed either, since Category:Association football league top scorers exists, which has sub-categories that look not to violate NOTDEFINING (and which have some notable associated lists for top scorers in some leagues). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 12:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * delete navbox already covers it. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Manchester overspill estates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Housing estates in Greater Manchester. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Manchester overspill estates to Category:Housing estates in Greater Manchester
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence they are all overspill estates, as our article only lists Wythenshawe as such. The proposed name would be consistent with Category:Housing estates in England and its sub-categories <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, also aligning with Category:Buildings and structures in Greater Manchester. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rivers Worn Down From Erosion
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rivers Worn Down From Erosion to Category:?
 * Nominator's rationale: Poorly named WP:SMALLCAT. We don't currently have any scheme of categorizing former rivers by what particular process ended their riverhood, so it's questionable whether this category would need to exist at all, particularly if it can't be much, much more populated than just two articles -- but even if it's justified, it still needs to be renamed as this is not the correct naming format for Wikipedia categories. Bearcat (talk) 01:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, neither of the two rivers are clearly worn down from erosion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both articles fail WP:CATVERIFY, as there is no clear consensus that erosion was the cause. Not enough articles where this category is definitely applicable to justify its existence. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as subjective. There's no agreement on what it means for a river to face substantial erosion. In fact, one might argue that all rivers are in some sense worn down from erosion. Pichpich (talk) 18:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above and WP:SMALLCAT WP:SUBJECTIVECAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:NONDEFINING WP:CATVERIFY. (Can we delete it per WP:EVERYTHINGABOUTITISWRONG)?). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths from pneumonia by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths from pneumonia by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Is this huge category necessary? does not seem necessary to categorize pages via death by one disease. Ebbedlila (talk) 01:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, this is a container category, it should not be deleted unless together with its subcategories. Besides it should become a merge proposal unless the parent Category:Deaths from pneumonia is nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Conceptual Support/Procedural Oppose I think this is too common to be defining but the current nom would just unparent the subcategories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose as it's a container category, and some of the child categories are very well populated, so doesn't make sense to delete the container unless the child categories were all deleted beforehand. Whilst many of the subcategories may violate WP:SMALLCAT, not all of them do e.g. Category:Deaths from pneumonia in Germany has 77 people listed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose per the above. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Online tickets selling Android applications in India
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting online tickets selling android applications in india
 * Nominator's rationale: Badly named category for an overly granular intersection of traits. While we do have categories such as, we do not have any scheme of subcategorizing them for platform (Android vs. iPhone vs. Windows, etc.), and it's not clear that India would have a special need for such categories if other countries don't have them. And even if there were a basis for keeping this, it would have to be renamed anyway. Bearcat (talk) 01:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Possibly we may create categories for online travel agencies by country but this is too narrow. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: MakeMyTrip and Ibibo appear to be primarily travel companies which have "Online tickets selling Android applications" rather than that they are those things. If we remove them, the remaining 2 items form a WP:SMALLCAT. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ethel Cain concert tours
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ethel cain concert tours
 * Nominator's rationale: Category which exists solely to hold a list and two differently-named redirects back to that same list. This kind of thing does not assist navigation at all; it would be fine if the tours had their own standalone articles, but we don't need a category for three different ways of getting to the same article. Bearcat (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete might have made sense if it held three articles, but it's one list article and two redirects to that list. Not worth a category. Pichpich (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rina Sawayama concert tours
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rina sawayama concert tours
 * Nominator's rationale: Category which exists solely to hold a list and a bunch of differently-named redirects back to that same list. This kind of thing does not assist navigation at all; it would be fine if the tours all had their own standalone articles, but we don't need a category for five different ways of getting to the same article. Bearcat (talk) 00:56, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and the debate just above (Category:Ethel Cain concert tours). Pichpich (talk) 18:54, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Films without soundtracks
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. We could perhaps build a list as suggested, but this category of 8 unsourced entries isn’t even a big help towards doing that. So we can follow the delete consensus here. Courcelles (talk) 11:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films without soundtracks to Category:Films without music
 * Nominator's rationale: Clarifying the intent of the category. Trivialist (talk) 00:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I've seen The Panic in Needle Park and had no recollection that it lacked music but my experiences are secondary if the articles treat this is defining. The China Syndrome lists a music credit in the infobox while The Birds has a whole section on the electronic music so I'm wondering if this grouping is even accurate. (If retained, support the rename.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, contents are evidently inaccurate. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. Although we commonly associate films with soundtracks/music, there is no rule which states films must have a soundtrack or music; especially for documentary films this may not be necessary to tell a story. (I've seen plenty of documentaries wherein major parts consist of interviews without background music, and the transition from one scene to the next or the intro and outro appear to be deliberately devoid of music). It's also not a thing that couldn't be added later in a second edition, home edition or director's cut or something, and presumably it wouldn't fundamentally change the contents or message of the film, so again WP:NONDEFINING. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify to List of films without music - I think that - from an art appreciation perspective, at the very least - this could be an interesting topic. And, per WP:BEFORE, Google seems to have quite a few results. Obviously purge any that are inappropriate. - jc37 09:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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