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Category:10th-century women rulers
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Category:Counts of Italy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Barons of Italy to Category:Barons in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Counts of Italy to Category:Counts in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Dukes of Italy to Category:Dukes in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian countesses to Category:Countesses in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian duchesses to Category:Duchesses in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Margraves of Italy‎ to Category:Margraves in Italy
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 29, renaming Category:Lords of Italy to Category:Lords in Italy. Note also parent Category:History of women in Italy using in Italy rather than of Italy or Italian (so WP:C2C). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, the current names suggest they were ruling a barony, county or duchy named Italy, but that was obviously not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support just truth in advertising for what the category contains. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Acting presidents by country
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Category:Monodnaviria
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Category:Movements in the Arab world

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Movements in the Arab world to Category:Society of the Arab world and Category:Movements by region
 * Propose upmerging Category:Arab movements to Category:Political movements in the Arab world
 * Propose upmerging Category:Movements in the Middle East to Category:Society of the Middle East (added 13 August)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Movements by region to Category:Society by region (added 13 August)
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant layers. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, but remove merge target Category:Movements by region from the first line, since the member category is already within another sub-cat of that one, namely Category:Political movements by region. As Category:Movements by region would only hold one sub-cat after the other mergers, I have added it to this nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I was already in doubt about that one. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Irreligion in the Arab world
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Category:Talking dogs

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted under WP:G7. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Talking dogs to Category:Anthropomorphic dogs
 * Nominator's rationale: The categories are pretty redundant of each other. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 14:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The category has already been deleted, apparently. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ukrainian military personnel killed in the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:28, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ukrainian military personnel killed in the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive to Category:Ukrainian military personnel killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one person. Navigation of the pedia is in no way facilitated by obsessively sifting everything down into granularized microcategories of one -- this would be fine if there were a lot of notable military personnel to file here, but if there's only one then there's no need to categorize him any more specifically than the merge target. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or ten people to file here, but it's not needed for just one person. Bearcat (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, very narrow scope, we also do not have Category:2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:American women fiction writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american women fiction writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT of unclear necessity. This is essentially just duplication of other categories that already exist, such as and  -- since virtually all fiction is either novels or short stories by definition, those other categories already cover off women who write fiction without needing this to coexist alongside them. (And, indeed, the one woman filed here is already in the novelists category alongside this anyway, so she doesn't need upmerging.) Bearcat (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Homophobic terminology

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting homophobic terminology
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT of unclear utility. The only thing filed in here at all is the overview article homophobia itself, rather than any terminology per se -- but that article is already heading the parent category as it is, and it's not clear that the other category (which mainly comprises articles about incidents rather than terms) has enough things that could be recategorized as "terminology" to get this over the minimum size bar. Bearcat (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For example, it is for feminism: Category:Feminist terminology. Just like it, we should add this category to the articles related to the subject. I see no reason to delete it. Gadir (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You would need to show specific examples of other articles that could be added to this category (preferably by actually adding them to the category) before that became a reason to keep it. Just saying "we should add stuff" isn't a compelling argument if it hasn't been shown that there is any stuff to add — but as I noted in my nomination statement, the parent category consists almost entirely of incident articles rather than terminology articles. Bearcat (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Gadir (talk) 06:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SMALLCAT, there still have to be more things than that before the category becomes justified. Bearcat (talk) 12:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now with no prejudice against recreation (NPAR). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for now, as it stands Category:Homophobia and Category:Homophobic slurs seem to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think "slur" and "term" means the same things? Gadir (talk) 12:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Any articles not about slurs can be added to Category:Homophobia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Premiers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge & redirect. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Premiers to Category:Prime ministers
 * Nominator's rationale: disperse to the tree under Category:Prime ministers, there is no reason for a separate top category just based on a difference in the name of the office. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and per precedents mentioned and arguments made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories earlier today. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The scope of a category should reflect the substance of the office, not minor differences in title. Place Clichy (talk) 01:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Category:Premierships includes a sub-cat of with the histories of British prime ministers – that proves to me that these are identical topics! – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:14th-century rulers in South America

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 14th-century rulers in south america
 * Propose deleting 15th-century rulers in south america
 * Propose deleting 16th-century rulers in south america
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with each only one subcategory; it is also an isolated series. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Category:14th-century rulers in South America to Category:14th century in South America. I was gonna suggest upmerging to Category:14th-century South American people, but that's yet another redundant layer that can be added to the nom (@Marcocapelle good idea?) to be upmerged to Category:14th century in South America. The end result will be 2 items and 1 child with 4 items.
 * Upmerge Category:15th-century rulers in South America to Category:15th-century South American people. (No need to upmerge to Category:15th-century monarchs; Category:15th-century monarchs in South America is already there).
 * Upmerge Category:16th-century rulers in South America to Category:16th-century South American people. (No need to upmerge to Category:16th-century monarchs; Category:16th-century monarchs in South America is already there).
 * We shouldn't be orphaning them when we can upmerge them. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In fact the content is already in the proposed merge targets, so deletion and merger will have the same result. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well for metadata reasons upmerging is still favourable to deletion, right? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * can you perhaps explain what difference it makes? I thought it did not matter. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In these cases I can't see that there would be any difference. I think Cydebot used to state the target category for a merge in the deletion log entry (edit summary), but the current CFD bot run by JJMC89 does not do so, perhaps because of the difficulty of recording multiple targets – however, it does link to the CFD discussion, which is sufficient. The only other reason for agreeing a merge is just in case any other editor were to move any other contents into the nominated categories between the date of the nomination and its implementation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:37, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge. For the record, the linked French categories also contain Rumiñawi (Inca warrior), who I don't think was a ruler, and the cacique Paramacay, for whom there is no English article, but who could be categorised as a monarch if an article is created. So there is no reason to keep the English categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:X-Men film series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting x-men film series
 * Nominator's rationale: Hmm??? Unclear what the purpose of this category is when we already have Category:X-Men (film series) (note the parentheses), and the other two categories in this category are already subcategories of Category:X-Men (film series). Redundant and unneeded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom: While I could see a rationale being had of this being a compilation of the several film series about X-Men characters, it appears to be unnecessary categorization when currently, the categories are all covered under the already existent Category:X-Men (film series). Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


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