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Category:Palace Entertainment
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Category:Spring Baking Championship
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Bahrani nobility

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bahrani noble families to Category:Baharna
 * Propose deleting Category:Bahrani nobility
 * Nominator's rationale: These two categories only contain one page, Jarwanid dynasty. They have parents "by nationality" and "by country", but Bahrani (alias Baharna) is an ethnicity, so no other merging is appropriate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without prejudice to re-creation when more content is available. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by decade

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Any subcats can be brought renamed speedily. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by decade to Category:Coups d'état by decade
 * Propose renaming Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by century to Category:Coups d'état by century
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Attempted coups d'état exists for attempts Gjs238 (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per Category:Coups d'état and for brevity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are no date-related subcats for attempted coups. If we did split the decades between coups and attempts, the C19 decade categories would be rather small. It might be better not to split, but in that case I suggest that the decade category pages should at least state clearly that they also include attempted coups. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Question shouldn't the container category follow the names of its categories? The subcats all seem to be named "coups d'état and coup attempts‎", presumably they would need to be renamed as well? Qwerfjkl  talk  18:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes Gjs238 (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Any subcats can be brought renamed speedily. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by country to Category:Coups d'état by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by continent to Category:Coups d'état by continent
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Attempted coups d'état exists for attempts Gjs238 (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support but we should also rename the subcategories accordingly. Charles Essie (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per Category:Coups d'état and for brevity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you mean Category:Attempted coups d'état by country exists for attempts. Is the intention to then rename all the subcats of the nominated categories, removing "and coup attempts" for brevity? – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Attempted coups is a natural subcategory of coups, likewise attempted coups by country is a natural subcategory of coups by country. Renaming all the subcats of the nominated categories, removing "and coup attempts" for brevity, makes sense for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, support. I have reinstated Category:Attempted coups d'état by continent which had been emptied out-of-process by the nominator. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:American people of Québécois descent
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Category:Attempted coups d'état by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Attempted coups d'état by country to Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Both categories seem to serve the same purpose, one is a child of the other. Gjs238 (talk) 14:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: They don't serve the same purpose. One of them is just for attempted coups d'état. Charles Essie (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Then perhaps Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by country should be renamed to something simpler and less ambiguous - it's parent category is Category:Coups d'état, not "Coups d'état and coup attempts". Gjs238 (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree, it would be better to nominate Category:Coups d'état and coup attempts by country for renaming to Category:Coups d'état by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "Coups d'état and coup attempts": There is a whole series by that name: by century, by continent, by country, by decade - and all their associated subcategories. Gjs238 (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Many of those subcategories use Military coups which should be changed regardless of the outcome here. Charles Essie (talk) 22:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * RETRACT: Implement suggestions above instead. Gjs238 (talk) 21:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I oppose this proposal too. Having a container category for all the attempted coups d'état categories by country makes them easier to navigate. Charles Essie (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What's the point of merging them now if we're going to remove coup attempts from the names of the other categories? Charles Essie (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This merge proposal has been retracted and is essentially off the table, in favor of the renaming schemes described in the newer proposals. Gjs238 (talk) 18:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Australian/New Zealand sawmillers

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename - merge (soft redirect) already performed - TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 18:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging australian sawmillers and new zealand sawmillers to sawmillers
 * Nominator's rationale: It seems the only categories for sawmillers include just oceanic ones so there's no space for sawmillers from other countries i.e it would be optimal to merge these categories and let the (renamed) product include sawmillers from any country. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Reading through these articles, I question how many of these people are defined by their involvement in the sawmill business. With that being said, there is no reason to delete the New Zealand category. Just create the parent and make the New Zealand one a sub-category. The Australian one is small so it can be deleted either way.--User:Namiba 16:03, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Australian sawmillers to Category:Sawmillers and move Category:New Zealand sawmillers under it, is the shortcut of what User:Namiba proposes. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Kenyan people of Chinese descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  07:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kenyan people of chinese descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Like the category below, this only contains Nathan Crumpton who was born in Kenya but is specifically stated to be a natural-born US citizen. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This article gives a good example of why does have a point about demonyms being unhelpful (at least some of the time), see here. It would be OK to categorise this person as "from Kenya", but not as Kenyan. In this case he is in a "from Nairobi" category and that is sufficient. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:22, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete the nom is correct, the one person in this category is not Kenyan. LibStar (talk) 09:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kenyan people of Native Hawaiian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  07:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kenyan people of native hawaiian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. One entry and a highly unlikely categorisation. LibStar (talk) 03:01, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete; no merging would be applicable. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


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