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Category:First Merkel cabinet

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting first merkel cabinet
 * Nominator's rationale: delete for now, there is only the main article and a redirect. No objection to recreate the category when more articles about this cabinet are published. I added the part in italic because I just purged two articles that weren't about the cabinet at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You purged Hypo Real Estate. It was nationalised by the First Merkel cabinet, so I would still categorise it here. I can't remember what the other page was that you removed. Added two more. ‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎  23:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support delete. The tangentially related things that Trimton has added could very easily be linked on the pages. Mason (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is so much tangentially related that even direct links may be inappropriate. Take e.g. 33rd G8 summit, why would the text need to refer to the German cabinet? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The point is that the first Merkel cabinet refers not only to the people in the cabinet, but also to the 2005-2009 administration more widely. The G8 summit was organised by that administration. Added some of the ministers. ‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎  00:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Non-Austrian military personnel in Austrian armies

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 * The result of the discussion was: Manually merge the subcats, no consensus to rename the parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Non-Austrian military personnel in Austrian armies to Category:Foreign military personnel in Austrian armies
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-Austrian isn't really defining. Rename is based on sibling categories in Category:Expatriate military units and formations Mason (talk) 02:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 00:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This would work in conjunction with deleting the Croatian and Italian subcategories. The Austro-Hungarian army was the native army for the Croats and Italians in these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Further clarification, I am opposing unless beforementioned two subcategories are deleted simultanously. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have an alternative name that wouldn't require deleting the child categories? Mason (talk) 22:47, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good question because only now it occurs to me that the subcategories should be merged/diffused anyway, to the tree of Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel, per WP:EGRS. Croatians and Italians were ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd support merging the child categories. Mason (talk) 04:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose rename There is no consistency among the subcategories of Category:Expatriate military units and formations. I'd recommend nominating all of them for rename to a uniform convention. Since this dicussion has also become about the subcategories rather than the nominated category itslef, I will bundle them into this CfD. –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 23:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Croatian military personnel in Austrian armies to Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel
 * Propose merging Category:Italian military personnel in Austrian armies to Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel
 * Propose merging Category:German military personnel in Austrian armies to Category:German expatriates in Austria
 * The German category also contains only a single article, per WP:NARROWCAT we can merge. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 23:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @LaundryPizza03 This would not be historically correct for Croatians because "Austro-Hungarian" means 1867-1918, but for them the relevant time period starts multiple centuries prior, rather. --Joy (talk) 09:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It needs to be manually merged anyway (see below) so then articles can also be moved to the tree of Category:Austrian military personnel as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly I don't quite understand the logic here. Austrian military personnel is the top of a big tree (18 subcats), and it already has subcategories by war, by city, by century, cause of death, ranks. Why can't it have a subcategory by the origin of the soldiers? It's a concept documented in the sources of those articles, just like these other characteristics are. Removing the bad "expatriate" cross-categorization seems much easier than all this. --Joy (talk) 15:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Manually merge insofar articles aren't already in the tree of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Coalition governments of Germany
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Coalition governments of Germany to Category:Cabinets of Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, almost every cabinet of Germany was a coalition cabinet. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom Mason (talk) 03:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Historic German cabinets
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Historic German cabinets to Category:Cabinets of Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, diffusing by historicity does not make much sense for categories about political history. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom Mason (talk) 03:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Yemeni people of Jewish descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting yemeni people of jewish descent
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessary layer. Yorkporter (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom (normally I would have said upmerge but seems not needed here). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Moroccan people of Jewish descent
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Category:Residential buildings in South Africa by city
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Residential buildings in South Africa by city to Category:Residential buildings in South Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Only two categories in here, which is not very helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 21:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Office buildings in Poland by city
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Office buildings in Poland by city to Category:Office buildings in Poland
 * Nominator's rationale: Only two cities in here, which is not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Besides soon only one category will be left. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Defunct hotels in Szczecin
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:Defunct hotels in Szczecin to Category:Defunct hotels in Poland and Category:Buildings and structures in Szczecin
 * Propose merging Category:Office buildings in Szczecin to Category:Buildings and structures in Szczecin and Category:Office buildings in Poland
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Szczecin by type to Category:Buildings and structures in Szczecin
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization that does not help navigation Mason (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support in principle per nom. The first category may be merged further up to Category:Defunct hotels in Poland and Category:Buildings and structures in Szczecin. The second category should also be merged to Category:Office buildings in Poland. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Updated nom per MarcoMason (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Israeli Venture capitalists
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli Venture capitalists to Category:Israeli venture capitalists
 * Nominator's rationale: Get rid of capital "V" in "Venture capitalists" and instead move it to "Israeli venture capitalists" instead. SimeonManier (talk) 21:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. For next time, see WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Danish sportspeople by century
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Category:Discrimination in the Arab world
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Category:Modern yoga books
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 * The result of the discussion was: combine. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming and merge Category:Modern yoga books and Category:Classic yoga books to Category:Books about yoga
 * Nominator's rationale: Should match the format of other non-fiction books Mason (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support "about", per precedent, consistent with many other renames we recently had. I am also inclined to support the merge because the "classic" books are in fact quite modern. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't really feel like the distinction between modern and classic was very helpful. If there ends up being a critical mass, then they can be diffused by century, which is less arbitrary. Mason (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional water monsters
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Category:Jewish Major League Baseball players
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Major League Baseball players to Category:Jewish American baseball players
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains the same pages as the latter; all players are American. Additionally, Major League Baseball players are categorized by league and/or position, not ethnicity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, pinging you to start a discussion on this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Yoga texts and documentation
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Yoga texts and documentation to Category:Works about yoga
 * Nominator's rationale: I think that this category should be renamed to match other overarching categories. Here's the category description: "This is an overarching category covering books and texts over thousands of years, so it is suggested that all individual titles should go into one of the sub-categories such as 'Hatha yoga texts'. If a suitable subcategory does not exist for a book it should be created and the book placed in it, the category to be added here." Mason (talk) 05:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, as a subcategory of Category:Works by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the North German Confederation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from the North German Confederation to Category:North German Confederation and Category:19th-century German people
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation to Category:German emigrants and Category:19th-century German people
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation to the United States to Category:German emigrants to the United States and Category:19th-century German people
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This was a confederation that lasted 5 years and shouldn't be defining for emigration. Mason (talk) 04:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, this wasn't a proper country anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge -- We cannot allow separate categories for every change in consitutional governance. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Modes of transport in Szczecin
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure in Szczecin to Category:Transport in Szczecin
 * Propose deleting road transport in szczecin
 * Propose merging Category:Streets in Szczecin to Category:Roads in Szczecin Category:Transport in Szczecin
 * Propose deleting modes of transport in szczecin
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories all made by the same user Mason (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, but I would rather merge Category:Streets in Szczecin directly to Category:Transport in Szczecin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Equally fine with me. My goal is to untangle this mess. Mason (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That is very necessary indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * updated nom per marco Mason (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Roads in Poland by locality
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Nothing left to merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roads in Poland by locality to Category:Roads in Poland
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, there is currently only a streets subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't understand your rationale for deletion rather than merging. The only subcat is Category:Roads in Szczecin, which is surely a roads category rather than a streets category. Qwerfjkl  talk  12:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle. Qwerfjkl  talk  12:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * when you look further down there is only Category:Streets in Szczecin which is already part of Category:Streets in Poland. However I notice now that Category:Streets in Szczecin will be merged, leaving Category:Roads in Poland by locality empty anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Expatriates in British North America
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Category:Festival in Gilgit baltistan
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Category:Transport disasters by decade
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