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Category:Solomon Islands men by occupation
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Category:Ricky Gervais

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 22:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ricky gervais
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Not enough articles and subcats to warrant an eponymous category, better served by the "works by" tree -- wooden  superman  14:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: what merge target are you supporting? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster talk 21:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, but presumably the list article can be moved to the works subcat. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now per WP:MFN but without objection to recreation if more non-works articles appear. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep There are enough articles in the main category. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: I agree with WikiCleanerMan. I don't think the articles in the Gervais cat would fit in the works cat and that they should be connected by category, and I think four is plenty. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 04:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to British North America
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Category:Fictional black people
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Category:Wikipedia essays identifying problems and/or solutions

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia essays identifying problems and/or solutions to Category:Wikipedia essays identifying problems and solutions
 * Nominator's rationale: MOS:ANDOR wants us to avoid using "and/or". Gonnym (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There is no opposition to the proposed rename, but outright deletion is very much a possible outcome. In other words, if there is no further participation in a week I would close this as rename with no consensus on deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster talk 21:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't almost every essay identifying a problem and providing a solution? Should we have this category at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Template: Wikipedia Essays suggests several different "categories" of essay, and the only one that arguably wouldn't fit in this category are the humorous ones. Like you, I am not particularly convinced that this category should be kept at all. Therefore, weak delete. VegaDark (talk) 00:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * As meanwhile there hasn't been any good argument offered why this category should exist I am voting more clearly delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Accidental deaths
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Category:Kurdish criminals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Kurdish people. I am going to editorialize a minute and say I am dumbfounded that this is a category. I am going to do this one manually because it needs to be deleted as soon as humanly possible. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 22:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kurdish criminals to Category:Kurdish people
 * Nominator's rationale: The intersection between ethnicity and criminality is not defining/ok Mason (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support This kind of intersection often has racist implications, like the criminal stereotype of African Americans. –Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Papua New Guinean men by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Papua New Guinean men by occupation to Category:Papua New Guinean men
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's not helpful for navigation to have only one category. Mason (talk) 20:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The parent also has no contents except for the nominated category. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete per LaundryPizza03's implication. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated politicians in transcontinental Eurasia
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Category:Kentucky women in education
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women in education to Category:American women educators and Category:Educators from Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women in law to Category:Kentucky lawyers and Category:American women lawyers
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women health professionals to Category:American health professionals
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge as a non-defining intersection. Is a followup to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_4 Mason (talk) 20:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support but this will require a manual merge, e.g. the women in law category contains two law academics and nearly all health professionals are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:American health professionals. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Non-free with ND
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Category:FairuseND
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:FairuseND to Category:Non-free with ND
 * Nominator's rationale: Empty duplicate of Category:Non-free with ND. Merge or delete, whichever term you fancy. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 16:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete The latter category is populated by Template:Non-free files with no derivative works licenses. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:NoCopyrightSounds artists
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Category:WFAN people
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WFAN people to Category:American sports radio personalities
 * Nominator's rationale: Essentially a WP:PERFCAT violation. Per longstanding consensus, we do not categorize radio or television broadcasters for each individual station they may have worked for. Broadcasters typically do not spend their entire careers working for the same station, but much more commonly move around to multiple stations as they climb the career ladder -- so their careers are not permanently defined by just one specific station, and this would lead to extreme category bloat as they got progressively added to another category for each other station on their résumés. They're obviously defined by the fact that they were sports broadcasters -- most people here are already categorized as such alongside this, though I've proposed a merger just in case anybody here isn't already in the parent -- but it's just not helpful or maintainable to categorize sports broadcasters for each individual radio station they may have worked for at some point in their careers. Bearcat (talk) 15:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, excluding the articles which are already the target's subCategory:American radio sports announcers. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lexington High School alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lexington High School (Massachusetts) alumni. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lexington High School alumni to Category:Lexington High School (Massachusetts) alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: There are eight different articles for Lexington High Schools in different states, each with a disambiguating parenthetical. This category also needs to be disambiguated to make clear which school it is corresponds to. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, Lexington High School (Massachusetts) is disambiguated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia files moved to Wikimedia Commons which could not be deleted
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia files moved to Wikimedia Commons which could not be deleted to Category:Wikipedia files moved to Wikimedia Commons which should not be deleted
 * Nominator's rationale: The files in this category could be deleted, it is just that they shouldn't be deleted. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 12:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 06:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American theatre producers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American theatre managers and producers. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish American theatre producers to Category:American theatre managers and producers
 * Nominator's rationale: Theatre managers and producers are listed together, not seperately. Additionally, the parent category has all listed managers and producer and is not divided by ethnicity or gender. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this also be upmerged to American Jews? Mason (talk) 20:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Mason (talk) 16:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and per WP:OCEGRS. Merging to Category:American Jews is not necessary, the first article is about someone of Jewish descent (i.e. not a Jew himself) and other articles are already in that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American talent agents
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American talent agents. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish American talent agents to Category:American talent agents
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American art collectors
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Jewish art collectors and Category:American art collectors. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish American art collectors to Category:Jewish art collectors and Category:American art collectors
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge More of a WP:NARROWCAT than a, despite numbering 53. Consider also placing categories within an appropriate subcategory of Category:American Jews. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @LaundryPizza03, sure thing. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I expect that all articles are already in the tree of Category:American Jews (by state and/or by century). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American police officers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish american police officers
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to appropriate subcategories of Category:American Jews and Category:American police officers. There is no Category:Jewish police officers. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @LaundryPizza03, I checked and they are already present in the tree of Category:American Jews AND Category:American police officers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 06:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Collection of the Wallace Collection
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Objects in the Wallace Collection. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Collection of the Wallace Collection to Category:Objects in the Wallace Collection
 * Nominator's rationale: Avoids repetition of the word "collection". The existing Category:Objects in the Frick Collection already follows this style and it works well. Ham II (talk) 07:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename I concur, as creator. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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NSW TrainLink short platform railway stations
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting short-platform railway stations in new south wales
 * Propose deleting short-platform railway stations in new south wales, 1 car or less
 * Propose deleting short-platform railway stations in new south wales, 2 cars
 * Propose deleting short-platform railway stations in new south wales, 4 cars
 * Propose deleting short-platform railway stations in new south wales, 6 cars
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, most railway station articles have standard categories such as the year they opened, the cities they are in or the operators that call at them, but these appear a bit fancrufty. Will shortly become inaccurate with the NSW TrainLink D sets that are to replace the NSW TrainLink V sets in 2024 having shorter carriages. That stations on railway lines are of differing length is hardly unusual and thus not really notable. Bramortui (talk) 07:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The 2, 4, and 6 car categories in this nomination haven't been correctly CfD'd on their respective pages with the correct  template, can someone fix this please? I've also given this nomination section a title just for ease of access. Fork99 (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, it was just a matter of copy and paste. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Modern people
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Category:Authors of Canada Economics Books
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting authors of canada economics books
 * Nominator's rationale: Not defining. I don't think being an author of "Canada Economics Books" is defining. Mason (talk) 05:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, largely overlapping with the tree of Category:Canadian economists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Ungrammatically named category too similar to Category:Canadian economists, but less defining. Most academics publish books on their field. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


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