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Category:Anti-anarchism in Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anti-anarchism in japan
 * Nominator's rationale: This category has near-complete topical overlap with its parent, Category:Anarchism in Japan. The parent topic is sufficient for addressing the history of anarchism (and by extension, anti-anarchism) in Japan. czar  23:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Question: Shouldn't it be upmerged then? Mason (talk) 00:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * They were already in the parent category at the time. But per the below edit, now they'd have to be dual-merged. czar  04:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment, I removed the four articles of Category:Anti-anarchism in Japan from Category:Anarchism in Japan, per WP:SUBCAT. If Category:Anti-anarchism in Japan is not kept, there should be a dual merge to Category:Anarchism in Japan and Category:Anti-anarchism. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the British Central Africa Protectorate
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 27%23Category:People from the British Central Africa Protectorate

Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to France

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to France to Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany and Category:Italian emigrants to France
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to England to Category:Italian emigrants to England and Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany
 * Propose merging Category:English expatriates in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to Category:Expatriates in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany and Category:English expatriates in Italy
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge, these categories are a small intersection that doesn't help navigation. In the same spirit as Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_7 Mason (talk) 22:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, with regret, since Italian is rather anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- Italy was not a nation at the time, but the term was in contemporary use, e.g. by British Customs. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional intergovernmental organization personnel

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional intergovernmental organization personnel to Category:Fictional government employees
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT made, predictably, by a blocked user. Unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Only two subcategories and no top-level articles. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional nihilists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional nihilists
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't think it's defining - I can see the idea of someone becoming a villain, criminal or what have you because of a nihilistic perspective, but that in itself is overly vague and incredibly subjective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional torturers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional torturers
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. This is not defining, or a character could be part of a more defining category (such as executioners, spies, soldiers or what have you). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is an aspect of the story, not a defining characteristic of the characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete the ones I checked had verifiability issues, so this is clearly attracting many inappropriate entries though it may be defining for some fictional characters. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional illeists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional illeists
 * Nominator's rationale: Can this possibly be defining? It's generally just a character quirk, if that. It is far too minor to be a defining trait for a fictional character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Pirates Constructible Strategy Game

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pirates constructible strategy game
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains only the main article and a redirect to that article. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I removed the redirect, because even if the category would be kept the redirect would be unneeded in it. Now it simply becomes a matter of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from Midtown Manhattan
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Midtown Manhattan to Category:People from Manhattan by neighborhood
 * Nominator's rationale: Not really necessary. Midtown is a collection of neighborhoods in central Manhattan. It isn't a neighborhood itself. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: there were a few people whom I've moved to the appropriate subcategories in Category:People from Manhattan. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * merge per nom Mason (talk) 22:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as this category now only contains subcategories. However, this is emphatically not per nom, since our article on Midtown Manhattan clearly says that this is also a neighborhood, and "Midtown" refers both to a central business district and to the wider collection of neighborhoods around that district. At some point in the future, a new subcategory may need to be created for people from the central business district, including Charles K. Eagle, but this is outside the scope of this CfD. Epicgenius (talk) 15:28, 20 December 2023 (UTC) (Edited. Epicgenius (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC))
 * @Epicgenius, Midtown Manhattan is a district with several neighborhoods within it. Since there are categories for New York City for boroughs Category:People from New York City by borough and neighborhoods Category:People from New York City by neighborhood, it would not make sense to create ANOTHER category for people who live in business districts in New York City (see Category:Central business districts in New York City) when the other two cover them sufficiently. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Omnis Scientia, yes, Midtown Manhattan can be considered to consist of several neighborhoods. This includes the neighborhood roughly bounded by Eighth Avenue, 59th Street, Park/Lexington Avenue, and 42nd Street. With the exception of the blocks surrounding Times Square, this area doesn't really have a separate identity and is known merely as "Midtown Manhattan". This makes up the central business district I was talking about. There is no category for this area, but other midtown neighborhoods such as Hell's Kitchen and Chelsea have their own subcategories.Since there is no category for people from the area I was talking about, I am not convinced that "it would not make sense to create another category" for this area. If there exist categories for people from the Upper West Side and Upper East Side (which are larger), I think it makes sense to have a category for people from central Midtown, for greater precision. Epicgenius (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Epicgenius, Upper West Side and Upper East Side are explicitly labled as neighborhoods. Meanwhile, Midtown Manhattan's article lists neighborhoods within it. Also, there are unofficial boundaries on maps in the three articles and the Midtown Manhattan one shows it is a collection of neighborhoods. Clearly not the same. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, but you still haven't addressed my point that there is, at present, no category for people in the central portion of Midtown. I'm sorry, but I'm still not seeing why this particular part of Midtown should not have a category.Also, if you are using the maps in the infoboxes as a basis for nominating this category for deletion, it's worth noting that the maps are simplified. Both the UWS and UES have sub-neighborhoods, but these were all consolidated into one shape when the maps were created. The UES contains sub-neighborhoods such as Yorkville and Lenox Hill, while the UWS includes Lincoln Square and Manhattan Valley. Epicgenius (talk) 15:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming it is because they partially overlap since neighborhoods tend not to have boundaries. And there are former historic neighborhoods as well. I should also add, I'm going by the Template:Manhattan which lists Midtown as a section and the remaining you have listed as neighborhoods.
 * Additionally, not every neighborhood in the New York City has a category for people. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state or region
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.

Relisting comment: Relisting in light of the late addition. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 19:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state or region to Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state or territory
 * Rename Category:Music festivals in the United States by state or region to Category:Music festivals in the United States by state or territory (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  13:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state or region to Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state
 * Propose renaming Category:Music festivals in the United States by state or region to Category:Music festivals in the United States by state or territory (added dec 17)
 * Nominator's rationale: Adding to older nom Mason (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, "region" is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but I think renaming it to be Category:Lists of festivals in the United States by state or territory would be capture the broader intent and mean that Puerto rico and other territories could be added if they were to ever exist Mason (talk) 22:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That is also a possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Added second category with same problem. . Mason (talk) 19:38, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that should be treated the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename with territory in both instances (it's currently specified only in the music category and not in the lists one). Even if the likes of Puerto Rico and Guam and the US Virgin Islands don't already have lists yet, the category should be consistent with other like categories so that PR and Guam and USVI lists can be added to them, instead of having to go through another round of follow-up renaming, when somebody gets around to creating them. Bearcat (talk) 16:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename both per Bearcat. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


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Sports coaches
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 27%23Sports coaches

Category:Immigrants to the South African Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Immigrants to the South African Republic to Category:South African Republic people and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: The political regime isn't defining and effectively this category serves to remove people from more specific categories. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Struben&oldid=1189382104 Mason (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Oppose, the South African Republic was a very different country than the current republic of South Africa. This is more than just a regime change. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose -- This refers to the Africaans republic also known as Transvaal, existing 1852-1902. This would need to be distinguished from settlers in Cape Colony and Natal, which were British colonies.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Boston sportscasters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Apparently all already in merge target suncats. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Boston sportscasters to Category:American sports announcers
 * Nominator's rationale: Category seems trivial. Additionally, I don't see any similar category for other cities. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Manually merge, much of the content will already be in other subcategories of Category:American sports announcers. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * merge per nom Mason (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom (with caution not to duplicate-categorize people who are already in other subcategories of the target, per Marcocapelle). The thing about broadcasters is that they can move around from one city to another over the course of their careers, so if we catted them for individual city-worked-in, they could potentially have to be bloated into numerous city broadcaster categories. So individual city just isn't a useful point of categorization here. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


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X in fiction VI
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about spontaneous human combustion
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about piracy
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Anime and manga about pirates
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about rogue planets
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about organ transplantation
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about organ trade
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about abortion
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about cloning
 * Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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X in fiction V
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about ageing
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about midlife crisis
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about midlife crisis
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Anime and manga about crime
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Anime and manga about organized crime
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Anime and manga about the Yakuza
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about crime
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about burglary
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about home invasion
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about counterfeit money
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about torture
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about theft
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about burglary
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about robbery
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about bank robbery
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about robbery
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about train robbery
 * Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Question: Should some end with plurals? crises, burglaries, invasions, robberies Fuddle (talk) 03:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French colonial empire war fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:French colonial empire war fiction to Category:Fiction by war and Category:Works set in the French colonial empire
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate layer. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Older versions of cartoon characters
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Older versions of cartoon characters to Category:Fiction about older versions of characters
 * Propose renaming Category:Child versions of cartoon characters to Category:Fiction about younger versions of characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename per actual contents and for being unnecessarily specific. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete This and Category:Child versions of cartoon characters, which you should consider nominating. This category is akin to a "Cartoons with flashbacks" category. The idea of flashbacks in fiction is not defining, and while they may feature things like time travel they should be evaluated separately. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Added. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @LaundryPizza03, any opinion on deletion? Qwerfjkl  talk  13:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No opinion. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Characters (well, most of them) age in each episode/novel/chapter/page. Categorizing every episode/novel/etc. except the first (for older versions) and last (for younger versions) respectively is not useful; any time "cutoff" (e,g, must be at least five years in the future) would be arbitrary. Zxcvbnm also makes a good argument. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 22:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional female domestic workers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional female domestic workers to Category:Fictional domestic workers
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to Category:Fictional domestic workers, and Category:Fictional females by occupation for the subcategories. There is no obvious need for this WP:NARROWCAT created by a blocked user. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge in the spirit of WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional male domestic workers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional male domestic workers to Category:Fictional domestic workers
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to Category:Fictional domestic workers, and Category:Fictional males by occupation for the subcategories. There is no obvious need for this WP:NARROWCAT created by a blocked user. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No merge unless Category:Fictional female domestic workers is merged as well. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was about to nominate it above, I guess this is a case of jumping the gun slightly :P ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge in the spirit of WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. Mason (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Works by setting
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Category:Turkish arms traffickers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish arms traffickers to Category:Arms traders
 * Nominator's rationale: Only two articles, with no other nationality subcategories in the parent. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - Both articles are about Kurds, probably seeking independence from Turkey. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by beliefs or ideologies
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Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople
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Category:Fictional yogis
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional yogis
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains only Dhalsim. It can possibly be merged somewhere, but I am not sure where. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The article is already in Category:Fictional Hindus, Category:Fictional Indian people in video games and Category:Fictional monks, I do not see what other merge target would be needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Was about to type what Marcocapelle said above. I believe the same. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional deserters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional deserters to Category:Fictional rebels
 * Nominator's rationale: Only has one member. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose AHI-3000 (talk) 17:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge or delete for now. I am not entirely sure of the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Sole member is already in Category:Fictional characters who committed sedition or treason and Category:Fictional soldiers. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Nations at the Maccabiah
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Category:Jewish organizations based in New Jersey
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 * The result of the discussion was: triple merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish organizations based in New Jersey to Category:Jewish organizations based in the United States and Category:Organizations based in New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Such organizations are not (as far as I can tell) divided by state AND is very small. There were two pages which were, in fact, based in New York City which I've moved accordingly. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, there isn't any other such state category, so this does not seem to add much value. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Jews and Judaism in New Jersey as well as the two proposed.--User:Namiba 17:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, triple merge indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional natural scientists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:02, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional natural scientists to Category:Fictional scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional life scientists to Category:Fictional scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional physical scientists to Category:Fictional scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional social scientists to Category:Fictional scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT that only contains two smaller categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge we don't need to divide Category:Fictional scientists any further than by occupation. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. By the way, Category:Fictional characters by occupation looks like a gigantic chaotic mess right now. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have subcategorized dozens of categories already, so it was an even more chaotic mess before. Though it should be said that a lot of the categories were originally in the right place before they were removed to go into the now-deleted categories and now have to be recategorized. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And I still feel like we need Category:Fictional people in law enforcement as a layer. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Deleting Category:Fictional characters by occupational types was one thing, but I think we should've kept most of the subcategories within it, especially the subcategories for illegal occupations, judicial/penal system, law enforcement, military, etc. And regarding these scientist subcategories, I think we also at least should've kept "Fictional scientists by field" to contain them. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and better nominate the two subcategories too. The tree is unnecessary complicated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding... –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also added a fourth category. Subcategories of this one are likely elsewhere in Category:Fiction about society. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all (expanded vote). As long as everything stays in Category:Fictional scientists it will not have any further impact on Category:Fictional characters by occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish Community Center
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Jewish Community Centers. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish Community Center to Category:Jewish community organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge category; basically serves the same purpose. WP:OVERLAP probably applies here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure about that. A conmunity center is usually a physical location, a community organization not necessarily so. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, you make a fair point but the category is part of Category:Jewish community organizations and share pages as well so I don't know much value it adds really. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If kept, I think that is should at least be renamed to Category:Jewish Community Centers, i.e. pluralized. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Jewish Community Centers per Omnis Scientia. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The rename would be better, agreed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who break the fourth wall
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Category:Fictional nuclear engineers
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Category:Time travel in Star Trek
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X in fiction IV
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about quantum mechanics
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about teleportation
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about teleportation
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about time
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about time travel
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about parallel universes
 * Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 09:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Mason (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Time travel and multiple reality role-playing games
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Time travel and multiple reality role-playing games to Category:Time travel games and Category:Parallel universes in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Mixture of time travel and multiverse concepts. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 09:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge Per nom. Unnecessary combination category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Time travel games should be renamed Category:Time-travel games as a compound modifier. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Multiple time paths in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: Undefined mixture of multiverse and time travel concepts; for example, Final Destination and The Minority Report are about precognition, while Category:Time loop is self-explanatory. The entries and subcategories are, or should be, in other branches of Category:Time in fiction or Category:Parallel universes in fiction, but the merge targets are not necessarily the same in all cases. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom while adding to any other category that may be relevant. This, however, is overly vague to be a category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Neurotrauma
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Category:History of Chitral
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Category:Ancient Greeks by death
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Category:Fiction about mermaids
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fiction about mermaids to Category:Fiction about merfolk
 * Nominator's rationale: I recently closed this discussion to move Category:Fictional mermen and mermaids to Category:Fictional merfolk, and to split other entries into a new category, Category:Fiction about merfolk. However, Category:Fiction about mermaids already exists as the parent to "Fictional merfolk". I'd like to suggest that "Fiction about mermaids" be renamed and the split redirected to the newly renamed category instead.  bibliomaniac 1  5  05:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 06:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support for the sake of consistency with the Fictional merfolk category. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Category is primarily for mermaids, not other merpeople. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support There is a gender-neutral term available. After this, we can probably use WP:CFDS for the rest. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Suburban Minneapolis School Districts
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Category:Masonic buildings in Norway
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Masonic buildings in Norway to Category:Masonic buildings
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT (1 article). It's already in the Norway subcategory. User:Namiba 01:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 06:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when it can be better populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with neurological or psychological disorders
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 * The result of the discussion was: combine to Category:Fictional characters with mental disorders (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging or renaming these related categories into each other:
 * Category:Fictional characters with neurological or psychological disorders to Category:?
 * Category:Fictional characters with mental disorders to Category:?
 * Category:Fictional characters with psychiatric disorders to Category:?
 * Category:Neurodivergent fictional characters to Category:?
 * Nominator's rationale: So we have this set of four categories connected together, which are all about mental/neurological/psychiatric/psychological disorders. I don't have a formal plan yet, but I think we can all agree that at least one or more of these categories are redundant or superfluous. They certainly need to be merged and simplified somehow. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: per LaundryPizza03's suggestion, my current proposal is to keep Category:Fictional characters with mental disorders, and merge the other three categories into it. Any subcategories that are not about mental disorders should be removed. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support in principle: I think that we should model the names after the people with disabilities categories. Mason (talk) 06:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Going by Smasongarrison's suggestion, we should merge all to Category:Fictional characters with mental disorders, which is the fictional counterpart of Category:People with mental disorders, and then purge subcategories that are not for mental disorders. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I like Laundry's suggestion. If the real-life counterpart is about people with mental disorders, then the combined fictional character category should follow a similar naming pattern. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Category:Fictional characters with neurological or psychological disorders and Category:Fictional characters with psychiatric disorders to Category:Fictional characters with mental disorders per LaundryPizza, while purging anything not mental. Keep Category:Neurodivergent fictional characters as it does not appear to overlap. Neurodiversity is not necessarily a "disorder" and maybe some of its subcategories need to be removed. The category itself needs to be moved down a subcategory to Category:Fictional characters by behavior. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't have a real-world equivalent for the neurodivergent one. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Plus the neurodivergent characters category already overlaps too much with the mental disorders category. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well it shouldn't, it's not classified as a mental disorder, or at least that designation is highly controversial. Anything indicating a disorder should be moved away from it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all per discussion above but move Category:Fictional characters with dyslexia from Category:Neurodivergent fictional characters to Category:Fictional characters with disabilities because that is not a mental disorder. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with density control abilities
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Category:Uzbeksitan navigational boxes
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD C1, G7 Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uzbeksitan navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Misspelled, duplicate to Category:Uzbekistan navigational boxes. Recategorize contents to the correctly spelled category and delete. DB 1729 talk 00:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad. I've recategorized the contents of the cat with the typo. It should now be deleted. N ataev  talk 02:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


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