Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 30

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Category:Sexuality in the Nordic countries
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Category:Pre–17th-century atheists

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 09:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Pre–17th-century atheists to Category:Ancient atheists and Category:Early modern atheists
 * Nominator's rationale: split people from entirely different periods. The early modern category can be further populated with a 17th-century and 18th-century subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 02:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Dimadick (talk) 06:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from Los Angeles
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Category:Black aviators

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 09:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting black aviators
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection between skin color and occupation. Note that Category:African-American aviators already exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retain This category allows the inclusion of both African-American aviators and also African aviators. I understand the desire the desire to eliminate the trivial "intersection between skin color and occupation". Is it useful to have a category that includes both Africans, an Afro-Turk, and African-Americans? If not delete it. Pete unseth (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pete unseth, the name is incredibly misleading. It isn't "Black aviators" but rather avitors from African countries as well as African-American aviators. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Mixture of African diaspora and, most predominantly, African countries (an incorrect juxtaposition of ethnicity and nationality). –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete As the creator and previous defender of this category, I see the point of those who want the category. I agree now, let somebody who knows how delete this category. Pete unseth (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied prematurely. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per norm, hard to talk about a now empty cat, but seems WP:TRIVIALCAT and maybe narrow per above. Could be a list. Respublik (talk) 18:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Engineers from the Colony of New South Wales
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Category:Libyan poets by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Libyan poets by century to Category:Libyan poets
 * Propose merging Category:North Korean poets by century to Category:North Korean poets
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one century in here Mason (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:South African non-fiction writers by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:South African non-fiction writers by century to Category:South African non-fiction writers
 * Propose merging Category:South Korean non-fiction writers by century to Category:South Korean non-fiction writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 17:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:New Zealand translators by century
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Category:17th-century essayists by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:17th-century essayists. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 10:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:17th-century essayists by nationality to Category:17th-century essayists
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one nationality in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 17:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Maldivian actors by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Maldivian actors by century to Category:Maldivian actors
 * Propose merging Category:Maldivian singers by century to Category:Maldivian singers
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Maldivian artists by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Maldivian people by occupation and century. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 10:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Maldivian artists by century to Category:Maldivian people by occupation and century
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Only category in here is not typically considered an "artist" occupation. Mason (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Turkoman tribes
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Social groups
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Category:1715 establishments in Isle de France (Mauritius)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1715 establishments in Isle de France (Mauritius) to Category:18th-century establishments in Mauritius, Category:1715 establishments in Africa and Category:1715 establishments in the French colonial empire
 * Propose deleting Category:1715 in Isle de France (Mauritius)
 * Propose deleting Category:1710s establishments in Isle de France (Mauritius)
 * Propose deleting Category:1710s in Isle de France (Mauritius)
 * Propose deleting Category:1710s in Mauritius
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 18th century in Mauritius


 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains the article Isle de France (Mauritius) itself. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional black people
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There is not consensus whether we should categorise them as "... of African descent", or delete the categories. There is also no consensus on how this applies to fictional characters. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional black people
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, we do not usually categorize people by skin color, per WP:ETHNICRACECAT, so we shouldn't do that for fictional characters either. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The Category:Fictional black people by medium and its immediate descendants should have been bundled with this one. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but most of these characters are people of african ancestry, which is defining. So I think we should rename and purge the categories. Mason (talk) 23:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Per above comment, see below. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional black people by medium
 * Propose deleting black characters in animation
 * Propose deleting black people in comics
 * Propose deleting black characters in films
 * Propose deleting black people in television
 * Propose deleting black characters in video games
 * Propose deleting video games featuring black protagonists
 * Delete all these categories per Marco. Especially because I don't think we categorize individual real-life people as being "black", nor are there any counterpart categories for fictional brown people or white people either. Plus, this category also lumps together people of black African descent along with unrelated indigenous Australians and Papuans. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Another possible proposal: rename this category to something along the lines of "Category:Fictional people of African descent", and remove the subcategories for Australian and Papuan characters from it. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would also support renaming to "people of African descent" (as an alternative to my Keep vote below), as most of the objections to the categories here hinge specifically on the wording "black people". Phediuk (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Whether or not this is a way that Wikipedia categorizes real people is not my concern here; I am focused solely on whether the topic of fictional black characters receives persistent, dedicated coverage from RSes, which is the foremost basis of any category's validity. Looking at just one subset of these categories, black video game characters, the answer is yes, and therefore, the categories should stay. Here are some examples from the first couple of pages of a Google search. I include only those articles that explicitly refer to black people or blackness in their titles:
 * Wired (2021): Coding Blackness: A History of Black Video Game Characters
 * Allure (2023): Black Video Game Characters Are Finally Starting to Accurately Represent the Culture
 * The New York Times (2022): Behind the Movement to Create More Black Video Game Characters
 * Bloomberg (2021): Video Games Are Slowly Opening Up to More Black Characters
 * Yahoo! News (2022): National Video Game Day: 5 Of Our Favorite Black Characters
 * Complex (2012): The 10 Best Black Characters In Video Games
 * Vice (2016): Black Video Game Characters Are Still Often Voiced by White Actors
 * WhatCulture (2020): 10 Greatest Black Characters In Video Games
 * Eurogamer (2018): The state of blackness in games
 * GamesRadar (2020): We need to see black female characters promoted from supporting characters to starring protagonists in video games


 * The scholarly literature also turns up a spate of articles on portrayals of black people in video games. These are all from the first couple of pages of a Google Scholar search, and, again, I limited this selection solely to those articles that explicitly used the word "black" in a racial context in their titles:
 * Sociation (2023): Gamifying Blackness: A Discussion on Black Gamers and Black Portrayals in Contemporary Videogames
 * Simulation & Gaming (2013): Influence of Black Masculinity Game Exemplars on Social Judgments
 * Velvet Light Trap (2018): Power in the Visual: Examining Narratives of Controlling Black Bodies in Contemporary Gaming
 * Intelligent Agent (2004): High Tech Blackface -- Race, Sports Video Games and Becoming the Other
 * Review of Education, Pedagogy, and Cultural Studies (2006): White Thumbs, Black Bodies: Race, Violence, and Neoliberal Fantasies in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
 * Humanities (2020): Black Egyptians and White Greeks?: Historical Speculation and Racecraft in the Video Game Assassin’s Creed: Origins
 * Interactions (2023): Designing Black Children in Video Games
 * Since black people in video games is a persistent topic of dedicated coverage from reliable sources, both mainstream and scholarly, a category is appropriate. Phediuk (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this and all subcategories per WP:ETHNICRACECAT. Doczilla  Ohhhhhh, no! 07:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply. If the sole objection to the category is the use of "black" rather than "African descent", then the categories can simply be renamed and any irrelevant examples purged. Per WP:ETHNICRACECAT, "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not. Ethnic groups may be used as categorizations, even if race is a stereotypical characteristic of the ethnic group, e.g. with African-Americans or Anglo-Indians." The vast majority of the entries in all of these categories refer to people of African descent, so they can easily be adjusted to conform to Wikipedia's guidelines. Phediuk (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Rename this category to Category:Fictional people of African descent, then remove any subcategories or pages that are not about characters with African ancestry (such as indigenous Australian or Papuan people). AHI-3000 (talk) 06:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep This is a notable topic. "of African descent" would include Berbers and other people with light skin. Dimadick (talk) 06:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We do not have an equivalent real-life category for individual "black" people, but we do have numerous categories about members of the African diaspora. AHI-3000 (talk) 11:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep – the proposed rationale has a soft consensus in the Archive Nr.6 to be not applicable to fictional characters. Potentially, the categories with people in the name could be changed to minimize confusion. Respublik (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine

Category:Films where the director died during filming
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Category:Soviet people
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 02:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people to Category:People from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by ethnicity to Category:People from the Soviet Union by ethnicity
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by occupation to Category:People from the Soviet Union by occupation
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from the Soviet Union by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by period to Category:People from the Soviet Union by period
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by political orientation to Category:People from the Soviet Union by political orientation
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by religion to Category:People from the Soviet Union by religion
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by war to Category:People from the Soviet Union by war
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet men to Category:Men from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet women to Category:Women from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet children to Category:Children from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet atheists to Category:Atheists from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet LGBT people to Category:LGBT people from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet prisoners and detainees‎ to Category:Prisoners and detainees from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people with disabilities to Category:People from the Soviet Union with disabilities
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet centenarians to Category:Centenarians from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet internal exiles to Category:Internal exiles from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet murder victims to Category:Murder victims from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet award winners to Category:Award winners from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet expatriates‎ to Category:Expatriates from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet war casualties to Category:War casualties of the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of Soviet people to Category:Lists of people from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Soviet people stubs to Category:People from the Soviet Union stubs
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional Soviet people to Category:Fictional people from the Soviet Union
 * Propose renaming Category:Cultural depictions of Soviet people to Category:Cultural depictions of people from the Soviet Union
 * Nominator's rationale: Where possible, the categories of former nations are formatted as "People from the *state name*". Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I will start with the parent categories in Category:Soviet people and, if there is consensus to change, I will add the categories within each one by one. Otherwise, this Cfd will become too big. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. This is slightly clearer, and consistent with most of the parent Category:People by former country in Europe and Category:People by former country in Asia. —Michael Z. 20:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This rename has some pretty big downstream implications; would that mean that the child categories would have to be renamed as well? Actors from the Soviet Union etc? Mason (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Smasongarrison, I believe so but I'm starting with the subcategories in Category:Soviet people. If there is a consensus then we can proceed with the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current convention is in my understanding Fooian people for sovereign countries and People from Foo for country subdivisions. In this regard, foreign countries such as the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia etc. are indisputably sovereign states (and not e.g. colonies within an empire) although former ones, and have a clear unambiguous demonyn. I see no policy-based reason to treat them differently that present-day sovereign countries. Place Clichy (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We have Category:People from the Russian Empire for some reason, and the same form is used for a double handful of other empires among almost 100 “former countries and states” in Category:People by former country in Europe. These were empires composed of a large number of countries, and not nation-states nor UN member states, if we’re considering the definition of “country.” —Michael Z. 18:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, Category:Russian people is not for people from the sovereign state, but for people broadly Russian: “people born in Russia, of Russian descent, or who have a Russian background” and is in parent categories “by nationality,” and refers to the main article Russians about “an East Slavic ethnic group.”
 * Since Soviet is not an ethnocultural group but describes people having any ethnicity from a specific state, it seems to be in a different class of categorization than this.
 * I wish we could find a defining statement about these categories as a whole. —Michael Z. 20:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In my understanding, ... from the Russian Empire was preferred to Imperial Russian because the latter is awkward and ambiguous with present-day Russia. Ottoman... was ambiguous with the Ottoman ruling family. None of this applies to Soviet. Place Clichy (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No, same problem. Soviet people could refer to Homo sovieticus, to people from Soviet Russia (before the Soviet Union existed), to people from other Soviet states and state-like entities, or even to people that belong to a soviet (council). But “from the Soviet Union” is unambiguous. —Michael Z. 07:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The term American could refer to any person from the Americas but it already has a well-established meaning. Similarly the term Soviet has a well-established meaning. Mellk (talk) 12:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * American people are a well known national group. Soviet people are a historical group that don’t exist any more and the ideological concepts an extinct state. Not equivalent in terms of meaning and recognizability. —Michael Z. 15:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * American identity is a geographical, political and national concept going back well over two centuries, and a defining quality of the Americans, regardless of the USA’s statehood. Soviet “nationality” (subjecthood) was invented in 1917 and 1922, and ceased to exist on January 26, 1991. Today Soviet people might describe those few subject to Soviet mentality, a completely different thing, less recognizable and requiring clearer disambiguation. —Michael Z. 00:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not ambiguous. There is no ambiguity that these categories are about Soviet people between 1923 and 1991. Place Clichy (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What’s ambiguous is what does “Soviet people” even mean? It’s not the same as most other apparently similar categories. It’s not a nationality, ethnic, nor linguistic group, nor a political party, nor members of a soviet. This is not a familiar subject to most people, especially to readers born and educated after the USSR disappeared. “People from the Soviet Union” helps explain: better meets the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and precision. —Michael Z. 19:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The people here are defined as Soviet, in a manner similar to Category:Yugoslav people. Mellk (talk) 15:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for this same reason AHI-3000 (talk) 22:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Category_names, and CFD precedents for using "Soviet" which are listed via the Notes section there. Although that page says we use "People from" for former countries that have compound names, and "Soviet Union" is a compound name, that reference in WP:CATNAME to compound names is intended to mean places that lack a simple demonym that is not ambiguous. In this case, "Soviet" is sufficiently unambiguous as a demonym, so we use it in categories by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mellk, I hardly see a need for the relist here. Also, Soviet people is the main page. Respublik (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Philately of the Czech republic
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:Philately of the Czech republic

Category:20th-century executions of Vietnamese people
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:20th-century executions of Vietnamese people

Category:Wrongful convictions in fiction
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:Wrongful convictions in fiction

X in fiction XI
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23X in fiction XI

Category:Soviet spies by nationality
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:Soviet spies by nationality

X in fiction XII
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and rename all. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 12:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging category to Category:Television shows about death
 * Propose merging category to Category:Television shows about murder
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about poisonings
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Films about poisonings
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Fiction about inheritances
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about ghosts
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about serial killers
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about murder–suicide
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about the Holocaust
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Television shows about suicide
 * Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. This batch also contains some redundant layers that need to be merged. For the inheritance and poisoning categories, I am unsure whether to use the singular or plural form in the prepositional phrase. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, personally "about poisoning" and "about inheritance" sound better to me. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge/rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is to be read as "Support in principle". I have no objection to proposed modifications by other editors. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support most per nom. However, merge Category:Poisoning in fiction and its subcategories to Category:Fiction about murder or Category:Fiction about assassinations. I don't think the particular method of death is defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support The distinction is meaningless. Dimadick (talk) 06:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Criminal law video games
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Category:Dance in film
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 7%23Category:Dance in film

X in fiction XIII
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * category to Category:Fiction about adult video
 * category to Category:Fiction about anthrax
 * category to Category:Fiction about au pairs
 * category to Category:Films about au pairs
 * category to Category:Fiction about beauty pageants
 * category to Category:Films about body swapping
 * category to Category:Fiction about castaways
 * category to Category:Fiction about domestic workers
 * category to Category:Fiction about dyslexia
 * category to Category:Television shows about genies
 * category to Category:Fiction about ghostwriting
 * category to Category:Films about grave-robbing
 * category to Category:Fiction about hanging
 * category to Category:Fiction about the Hollow Earth
 * category to Category:Films about hunting
 * category to Category:Fiction about infectious diseases
 * category to Category:Films about insomnia
 * category to Category:Fiction about interpreting and translation
 * category to Category:Fiction about juries
 * category to Category:Fiction about language
 * category to Category:Fiction about lawsuits
 * category to Category:Fiction about maids
 * category to Category:Films about maids
 * category to Category:Films about mannequins
 * category to Category:Fiction about measles
 * category to Category:Fiction about military law
 * category to Category:Fiction about Miss France
 * category to Category:Fiction about music
 * category to Category:Fiction about nannies
 * category to Category:Films about necrophilia
 * category to Category:Fiction about proms
 * category to Category:Fiction about publicity stunts
 * category to Category:Fiction about radio
 * category to Category:Fiction about the second plague pandemic
 * category to Category:Novels about sexuality
 * category to Category:Fiction about slavery
 * category to Category:Fiction about smallpox
 * category to Category:Films about social realism
 * category to Category:Films about squatting
 * category to Category:Fiction about the Salvation Army
 * category to Category:Fiction about underground railways
 * category to Category:Fiction about viral outbreaks
 * category to Category:Fiction about viral respiratory tract infections
 * category to Category:Anime and manga about witchcraft
 * category to Category:Television shows about witchcraft
 * Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. This time, I think it's time to scale up. There shouldn't be any surprises in this batch of 45 entries. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose all Not a fan of mass nominations like these, there is no nuance.★Trekker (talk) 12:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename most per nom, except for Category:Hollow Earth in fiction, which should be renamed Category:Hollow Earth fiction. Opposing on principle is just disruptive, unless there is a clear and evident reason there is a problem here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose because once you add "Films about" then it opens every film up to people complaining that a particular film is not 100% "about" a particular topic. The wording of these categories (as they are currently worded) allows for topics to be included that may not necessarily be the main focus of the films in question. Just because the Salvation Army appears in a work of fiction does not mean that the work is "about" the Salvation Army, for instance, and I guarantee that there will be an endless supply of similarly worded arguments by others in the future if these changes are made. It has already been happening with other categories for which this change was made. --Nicholas0 (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is generally agreed that "about" in this case means that it is a major plot element or topic. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Mason (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment "is not 100% "about" a particular topic" I can't think of a single film that is 100% about something, unless we are talking about short films with less than a minute in duration. Most films use subplots, character arcs, and changes in mood or setting. Dimadick (talk) 06:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename This makes it clearer that the standard is that the articles should be defined by the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Forms of Hindu deities
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting forms of hindu deities
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. Already part of Hindu deities Cat via individual deity categories. Redtigerxyz  Talk 04:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Wouldn't this be relevant for someone who is specifically interested in forms? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as an orthogonal subdivision to the categories about individual Hindu deities. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 15:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment I don't understand the motivation.★Trekker (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Given names inspired by popular culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Given names inspired by popular culture to Category:Invented given names
 * Nominator's rationale: This category and its ussage is incredibly vague right now, the vast majority of them are regular names from history which simply increased in popularity due to some popular piece of media or famous person, which does not remotely seem defining to me. Names increase in popularity due to cultural events all the time, its a perfectly normal and expected phenomenon for most names. ★Trekker (talk) 10:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment.. I’m not necessarily opposed to renaming the category but I don’t think this is necessarily the right name. There’s already a category called English given names invented by fiction writers. I was going for something that describes names that have greatly increased in usage due to its use for a single real life person or a single influential character. Names influenced by popular culture? Names that rose in usage due to popular culture? If someone can come up with a better name, please suggest one.
 * Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue is that I don't find the fact that a name has become more popular due to popular culture to be a defining characteristic, names always fluctuate in usage because of events in culture. A name might become more common in the 1800s because of a once popular novel, but 200 years later it may still be popular but not because of the book anymore. I'm sure the name Victoria became more popular because of Queen Victoria, but that doesn't mean most people who use the name now days mean to name their child after the queen or even think about her. Same with Gary (which you categorized with this category), I doubt the names continued usage is because parents all think of Gary Cooper.★Trekker (talk) 14:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete, too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete including its subcategory, it's simply too subjective to claim that X or Y name is inspired by pop culture. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * and do you not feel that at least names like Daenerys (given name), Khaleesi (given name), Kylo (given name), Anakin (given name), Tigerlily (given name) and Renesmee (name) are pretty defined by being invented names?★Trekker (talk) 18:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not supporting deletion of Category:English given names invented by fiction writers because this is better defined than the category that has been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * For clarification: most of User:StarTrekker's examples were from Category:English given names invented by fiction writers which is irrelevant for the discussion about the nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But what to do if there is an example of a very obviously invented name that is not from the English language?★Trekker (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Marcocapelle. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Aren't all names "invented" if you look back far enough? This classification isn't well defined enough for a category no matter what you call it. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 02:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional reptilians
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. A few different proposals here, this could do with renomination. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Fictional reptilians to Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles
 * Nomimator's rationale: The term "reptilian" is rather vaguely defined by this category. It currently seems to consist primarily of articles about humanoid characters that look like reptiles. Therefore it is redundant. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, I strongly oppose any weird alternative suggestions to merge or delete Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles in any way, this is one of multiple similarly named subcategories of Category:Anthropomorphic animals. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Oppose The requisite article is called "reptilian humanoid". You'd have to be successful in a move discussion to "anthropomorphic reptile" before this merge would make sense. I would, however, support a rename to Category:Fictional reptilian humanoids as fairly uncontroversial. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would also support a reverse merge to the fictional reptilians category since it needs to be decided by a move discussion at the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What? I am not suggesting any move of the reptilian humanoid article, it's not a prerequisite to this proposal. And tell me what's the difference between "humanoid reptile" and "anthropomorphic reptile"? And if you check both of these categories, there's a lot of overlap between Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles and Category:Fictional reptilians, so I don't think there's much of a real practical difference between them. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The point is that category names should match article names. I don't necessarily oppose this rename idea, but articles are moved before categories are. In other words, it's more of a procedural oppose. You'd have to successfully argue that reptilian humanoids are predominantly referred to as anthropomorphic reptiles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is a separate issue that's not directly relevant to this discussion. My point is that we do not need two categories that are both about anthropomorphic/humanoid reptile characters. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so reverse merge. The old category is more accurate to the existing title of the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't need to reverse merge anything, this nomination isn't a debate on a particular article's title. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Categories must match the title of their parent article, we don't move the category before the article, in fact the opposite. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Reptilian humanoids per WP:C2D. I will tag Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles is a subcategory of Category:Anthropomorphic animals, getting rid of it is counterproductive. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose I see no good reason to merge or rename any category here, "reptilians" refer to a very specific UFO conspiracy type character.★Trekker (talk) 10:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure which members of this category are that "specific conspiracy type character". If there are none, I guess this is tacit support for its deletion as an unnecessary category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For example, what has Anole (character) to do with UFO conspiracies? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken, most characters in Category:Fictional reptilians category don't even have anything to do with the reptilian conspiracy theory. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of unrealized projects by artist
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Given the content of the category, it would need a more substantiative rationale for renaming. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of unrealized projects by artist to Category:Lists of unrealized film projects by artist or Category:Lists of unrealized film projects by director
 * Nominator's rationale: As far as I can see, they're all films. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Rename to Category:Lists of unrealized film projects or split per nom. Just "projects" is too vague. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, I believe the nom is proposing two alternative rename targets, not a split. Qwerfjkl  talk  12:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Oppose: Article title should be left as is, since there are categories within several articles (and in possibly upcoming articles), which not only list a director's unrealized film projects, but also ones unrealized for literature and theater. Example: Quentin Tarantino's unrealized projects. Not to mention the countless unrealized television projects that are listed on a majority of the pages in the category. Should those listed projects should be removed from the article just because they're not "films" then? Even from an unbiased standpoint, that seems twisted. I think it's best to leave it broad. An "artists unrealized works", generally speaking. I haven't looked into if there are any articles on the subject of unpublished novels by authors, but if so, I say we add those pages to this category as well. ZanderAlbatraz1145 (talk) 01:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If I misunderstood User:Clarityfiend and the proposal is not meant as a split then my alternative rename is preferable as being more concise, but I do not oppose either of the original proposals per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Expatriates in British North America
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Expatriates in British North America to Category:People of British North America
 * Nominator's rationale: Expatriates in British North America is not defining, when there are more specific categories.Mason (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "British North America comprised the colonial territories of the British Empire in North America from 1783 onwards," which I don't think is helpful as a distinction for expatriates. They should be placed in a specific colony/terrority. If kept, this category should be containerized as people don't tend to be defined as "British North American". Mason (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * The last contribution incorrectly describes the scope of this category, as it includes for example Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies, not just Canada after 1763 and Nova Scotia after 1740s. This presents difficulty as the 13 Colonies were British colonies in North America and there is an overlap in date between them and what became Canada.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Peterkingiron I'm quoting directly from the wikipedia page on what British North America is.Mason (talk) 03:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for now, a too poorly populated category to have a difficult discussion about. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * You may be quoting the article, but if so subcategories are being misused for Thirteen Colonies. Split into a "pre-confederation Canada" and "thirteen colonies": look at the content of English emigrants subcat.  I have no objection in principle, but how do you propose to keep emigrants to New York from being placed (or misplaced) in the Brit N Am cat?  Category names sometimes have to be more precise than articles.  Classicvally the categories for Birmingham have to be at "Birmingham, West Midlands", to keep out Birmingham AL.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:The Rest cricketers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:The Rest (Bombay) cricketers. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 12:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:The Rest cricketers to Category:The Rest (Bombay) cricketers
 * Nominator's rationale: The present title is too vague as there have been several cricket teams called The Rest, including another one in India. The main article for this team is The Rest (Bombay) cricket team so inclusion of (Bombay) in the category title will disambiguate. Batagur baska (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support as per nom. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Persecution of Christians in Iran
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Category:Anarchists from Austria-Hungary
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Category:British Ceylon period
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Ceylon period to Category:British Ceylon
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge because WP:OVERLAPCAT. Although there is a contested merger proposal for the article British Ceylon period, there is no justification for separate categories. The target already holds directly the chronology categories for the British period 1815–1948, and could take the other's place in Category:History of Sri Lanka by period. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


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History of Ceylon by period
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Category:Red cattle
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Category:Terms in science and technology
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Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to merge, or to purge. There is a weak consensus that the two categories are for distinct concepts. That this is an OPINIONCAT for biographies was insufficiently discussed to obtain consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment to Category:Anti-Zionism
 * Nominator's rationale We already have a category for opposition to Israel, which is the anti-Zionism category. This new anti-Israeli sentiment category is superfluous. What is the difference exactly between anti-Zionist and anti-Israel sentiment? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, this is a completely unnecessary splitting. Also the creator of this nominated category seems to be pushing an agenda. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I am hesitant about this. I would expect Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment to be a subcategory of Category:Anti-Zionism because Zionism is so much older than the state Israel. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have created this category and here is my statement:
 * -Zionism: a Jewish-only idea for a Jewish state that only talks about Jews in the geographical Jewish homeland. Rejection of this Jewish-only idea: Anti-Zionist.
 * -Israel: A multidiverse country in today's world, which primarily has nothing to do with religion, where people of different origins live together side by side. It guarantees freedom for everyone. When you say: "I am against Zionists and Zionism", you are for example not addressing the Christians, Muslims and atheists who are Israeli citizens. When you advocate the destruction of all of Israel and its society, you don’t mention the religious element and therefore also address every Israeli citizen including the Muslims, Christians, Atheists and anyone who is not a Jew or who does not identify as a Zionist. Rejection Israel as what it is today and all of its society: Anti-Israeli sentiment. You couldn’t include Adolf Hitler into this for example. Another example is the BDS-movement, which definitely turns against Israel, but I wouldn’t call it an Anti-Zionist organisation. Furthermore (Anti-)Zionism is way older than the country of Israel as we know it today.

The topic is complicated, but there are differences. A subcat of Anti-Zionism would probably be the best solution. FPSalman (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Critisizing Israel and/or even being against its actions (aka anti-Isreal sentiment) is not the same as being anti-Zionist. You can fully support the idea that Jewish people deserve to have a country, and fully belive that Isreal in its current form is not a good country. As such, those to topics, while connected, are not the same. Isreal is a country that exists since 1948. Zionist movement existed for centuries.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Criticizing Israel and its policies is not "anti-Israeli". Israelis criticize their own government on a daily basis. Wanting a different administration in power is also not "anti-Israeli", nor is it "anti-Israeli" to want the Israeli government reformed. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Zionism is not a Jewish-only idea. The majority of American Zionists are Christians. There are also many Hindu Zionists in India. Those are two examples of the many non-Jewish Zionists worldwide. Many of the "Christians, Muslims and atheists" in Israel are Arabs/Palestinians and many are anti-Zionists. The idea that people who oppose the existence of the State of Israel have some kind of animosity against the Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel is...an interesting idea, but one I've never heard before. Israel defines itself as the Jewish state; opposition to the Jewish state (anti-Zionism) is opposition to Israel. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What are your sources for all of that? How do you know that “many” of the Arabs in Israel are Anti-Zionist? How comes that so many Arabs are in the Israeli army then? How do you actually define an “Arab” in the first place? Is a person who looks “Arab” and whose both parents are Jews from Morocco not “Arab”?
 * "Israel defines itself as the Jewish state; …" Source?
 * "The idea that people who oppose the existence of the State of Israel have some kind of animosity against the Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel…" What are you talking about?
 * The massive problem with you Bohemian Baltimore is that you reject Israel’s right to exist. I don’t know how valuable your statements are.FPSalman (talk) 19:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep - anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Zionism are two seperate things. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There is an additional new layer of the proposal: to purge biographies from the category. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 07:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge. I don't think there's a difference here at all. Place Clichy (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have moved some articles from Category:Anti-Zionism to Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment, hopefully the difference has become clearer this way. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Still not clear for me. redirects to Anti-Zionism, that's a clue. Much content I see in  is very much about opposition to a Jewish national home in the region, whatever the name and status of that state/home (examples: Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Calls for the destruction of Israel).  is found there, despite having been written 45 years before Israel existed. As  is currently a child of, does this mean that Anti-Israeli sentiment is a specific kind of Anti-Zionism? That directed towards Israel as a state, as opposed to what? Place Clichy (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Additional proposal: purge biographies from both categories per WP:OPINIONCAT, move them to Category:Writers about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support purging biographies from both categories per WP:OPINIONCAT. Place Clichy (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support both merging and purging AHI-3000 (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose merger as there is a variability between the two categories. Anti-Zionism has a definition that may not be found for example in some sanctioned events. Respublik (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Tribes of Lebanon
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ethnic groups in Lebanon. As the former is now empty, considering C1 it. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 12:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tribes of Lebanon to Category:Ethnic groups in Lebanon
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one tribe in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I moved the article Banu Abs to Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East, leaving this category empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Yep, an empty category now. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Events by definitions
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Category:Fictional criminals by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional criminals by occupation to Category:Fictional criminals by crime
 * Nominator's rationale: These seem to be the same. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose, they're not the same. Category:Fictional gangsters, Category:Fictional outlaws, Category:Fictional rebels, etc are not specific types of criminal charges, they are people who just necessarily do illegal things for a living. AHI-3000 (talk) 11:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom. Honestly there is just too much of an overlap here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Human–animal hybrids
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Category:Fictional members of endangered species
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Category:Cuban sculptors by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cuban sculptors by century to Category:Cuban sculptors
 * Propose merging Category:Lebanese sculptors by century to Category:Lebanese sculptors
 * Propose merging Category:Romanian sculptors by century to Category:Romanian sculptors
 * Propose merging Category:Icelandic sculptors by century to Category:Icelandic sculptors
 * Propose merging Category:Nigerian sculptors by century to Category:Nigerian sculptors
 * Propose merging Category:Burmese politicians by century to Category:Burmese politicians
 * Propose merging Category:Afghan businesspeople by century to Category:Afghan businesspeople
 * Propose merging Category:Belarusian businesspeople by century to Category:Belarusian businesspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one category in here for each category. This unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. VegaDark (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Palestinian philosophers by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Palestinian philosophers by century to Category:Palestinian philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Uruguayan philosophers by century to Category:Uruguayan philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Kenyan philosophers by century to Category:Kenyan philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Lebanese philosophers by century to Category:Lebanese philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Estonian philosophers by century to Category:Estonian philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Cuban philosophers by century to Category:Cuban philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Chilean philosophers by century to Category:Chilean philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Burmese philosophers by century to Category:Burmese philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Filipino philosophers by century to Category:Filipino philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Syrian philosophers by century to Category:Syrian philosophers
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one category in here for each category which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 03:49, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. VegaDark (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Anthropomorphic carnivorans
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Category:Kyrgyzstani men by occupation
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Category:Mandatory Palestine expatriates in Italian East Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Mandatory Palestine expatriates in Italian East Africa to Category:Mandatory Palestine expatriates and Category:Expatriates in Italian East Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category. Probably because Italian East Africa existed for less than 4 years. Mason (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ghattas family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 02:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ghattas family
 * Nominator's rationale: Only two people in this family. It is unclear if they are even related, as neither links to the other. Mason (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, the articles can be directly interlinked if appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. VegaDark (talk) 05:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Shia Islam in Central America
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Shia Islam in North America. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 12:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Shia Islam in Central America to Category:Shia Islam in North America
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to isolate this one page from the rest of north america Mason (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. VegaDark (talk) 20:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia categories named after alcoholic drink companies
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:41, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedia categories named after alcoholic drink companies to Category:Alcoholic drink companies and Category:Wikipedia categories named after food companies
 * Nominator's rationale: Perfectly overlapping categories Mason (talk) 00:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. VegaDark (talk) 20:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Respublik (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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Category:Cattle breeds by colour
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cattle breeds. (non-admin closure)  Toad ette  ( Merry Christmas, and a happy new year ) 12:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cattle breeds by colour to Category:Cattle breeds
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I have nominated the subcategory too (see above). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge The only subcategory was made 6 years ago, so it doesn't seem like new ones will be added. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, also to parent Category:Animal breeds by colour. Then nominate that parent for merging to Category:Animal coat colors. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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