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Category:20th-century assassinated Asian politicians
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Category:The Eras Tour

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep / defacto purge. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the eras tour
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Little room for growth and the songs and albums included aren't defined by the tour. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Songs and albums can be removed from the category if you prefer, but the category should be kept for the purpose of categorizing the other articles, and there is still potential for more articles relating to The Eras Tour - the community of editors writing and editing The Eras Tour-related articles is very active, and the tour is still ongoing. Theknine2 (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Purge songs and albums as not defined by the tour. If the category is not kept it should be merged to Category:Taylor Swift concert tours rather than deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But in an upmerge, why would Taylor Swift–Ticketmaster controversy and Death of Ana Clara Benevides be categorized as tours? Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * These articles are not about a tour, but they are about a tour. Perhaps provide them with an * sort key. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Keep Not sure what was originally in the category when it was nominated, but it looks well populated and defining at this point. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep After a purging attempt by the creator (Theknine2 if I'm correct), this category now looks fine with the articles included in it. Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Danish sportspeople by century
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Upmerge small subcats of Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge all. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Animated Feature Film templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Director templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Documentary Film templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Miniseries or Television Film templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Propose merging Category:Golden Globe Award for Best Screenplay templates to Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: each subcategory consists of a single navbox. Propose upmerging all to the parent Category:Golden Globe Awards navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now with no objection to recreating later if these are ever used for several templates. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Guatemalan singers by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 07:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Guatemalan singers by century to Category:Guatemalan singers
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Single category in here that's unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Pakistani scholars by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Pakistani scholars by century to Category:Pakistani people by occupation and century
 * Nominator's rationale: Not helpful for navigation to have a single category. Mason (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Brazilian philosophers by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Brazilian philosophers by century to Category:Brazilian philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Honduran philosophers by century to Category:Honduran philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Guatemalan philosophers by century to Category:Guatemalan philosophers
 * Propose merging Category:Armenian philosophers by century to Category:Armenian philosophers
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. there's only one category in here, and it's unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Montenegrin people by occupation and century
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Montenegrin people by occupation and century to Category:Montenegrin people by century
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, as the single category in here isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Parasports competitors from Pizhou
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Parasports competitors from Pizhou to Category:Sportspeople from Pizhou
 * Propose merging Category:Para table tennis players from Pizhou to Category:Para table tennis players and Category:Sportspeople from Pizhou
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to be broader as the intersection between city, disability, and occupation isn't a defining intersection. Mason (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak keep, at least the first one. If I understand the articles correctly, there is a dedicated parasports training center in Pizhou. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It just still doesn't seem helpful to isolate disabled atheles by what city they might have trained in. when there isn't a parent category for all sportspeople in Pizhou. Mason (talk) 20:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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 * Post-closure note: Not merged to Category:Para table tennis players as all members are in subcat Category:Paralympic table tennis players for China. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:National Baseball Hall of Fame inductees from the United Kingdom
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:National Baseball Hall of Fame inductees. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting national baseball hall of fame inductees from the united kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant; only contains one article which is already present in Category:National Baseball Hall of Fame inductees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose I have added in two further Hall of Famer’s from the United Kingdom to the category. This may only be a small list, but considering the prevalence of inductees to be born in the USA, and the high importance of U.K. born Hall of Famers to the sport in the U.K., I propose the category remains. It is important to the topic of baseball in the United Kingdom. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 19:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disagree; this is overcategorization. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The Hall of Fame article itself doesn’t make any great effort for the casual reader to see what countries the inductees were from. Being based in the USA the natural assumption is the inductees will all therefore be American. This category enables readers and researchers a way to differentiate inductees born outside the USA. If anything, more effort needs to be made for other inductees from other parts of the world, because year on year MLB is more global in its players, officials and writers etc. Why not help the world find their people more easily? AngelsAndOwls (talk) 09:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @AngelsAndOwls, why don't you do so? You can add the nationality next to the names in List of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame. That is a much better idea than making unnecessary subcategories; that is also the case with the list of inductees in the International Tennis Hall of Fame. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This can be handled in the article space and the intersection seems non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, trivial intersection with country of birth while they actually played in the US. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * From the perspective of a British baseball historian and fan, this is NOT ‘trivial’. We only have a small number of inductees, and culturally and historically that is important to us, as a nation. How many other nations have inductees at all? Not many.
 * Removing the category will make it harder for people to find this information quickly, and impossible for people to stumble across whilst browsing, because the main page on this subject offers no definition of nationality.
 * Being so dismissive of a person’s nationality because they contributed to Major League Baseball in the United States, seems an odd viewpoint to me. Being born in the United Kingdom but moving to the United States was culturally important in itself, for example the Wright family brought with them their love of bat and ball games from Britain, and Harry Wright is seen by many as one of the father’s of baseball, and is celebrated in Britain. The fact that he hailed from Sheffield, where the rules of Association Football and the oldest club in the world exist, aligns with the Wright family in baseball and shows the city has sporting cultural significance.
 * Removing the category makes life much harder for British sports fans and historians to navigate. I would suggest it is time for Americans to actually expand the categories to include categories for other non-US nationals who are inductees. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 09:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @AngelsAndOwls, what you are suggesting goes against WP:OC and will only make it harder to navigate. Wikipedia already categorizes MLB players by national origin; there is no need to do the same for Hall of Fame inductees. Additionally, the Category:Baseball in the United Kingdom does a better job for history of baseball in the UK (though it needs some improvement) than this category would. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment With three items this is a SMALL CAT. Better to merge "from Europe"(?) Peterkingiron (talk) 20:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fiction about superhuman features or abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:13, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Fiction about superhuman features or abilities to Category:Fiction about superhuman abilities
 * Category:Fictional superhuman features or abilities to Category:Fictional superhuman abilities
 * Category:Fictional characters by franchise and superhuman abilities to Category:Fictional superhumans by franchise
 * Category:DC Comics characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:DC Comics superhumans by ability
 * Category:Image Comics characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Image Comics superhumans by ability
 * Category:Marvel Comics characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Marvel Comics superhumans by ability
 * Category:Fictional characters by medium and superhuman abilities to Category:Fictional superhumans by medium
 * Category:Anime and manga characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Anime and manga superhumans by ability
 * Category:Comics characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Comics superhumans by ability
 * Category:Video game characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Video game superhumans by ability
 * Nominator's rationale: Following the precedent set by the recent renaming of Category:Fictional characters with superhuman features or abilities to Category:Fictional superhumans, I'd say that all of these categories should have similarly shortened titles as well. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * For more consistency with the previous rename, shouldn't we rename e.g. Category:DC Comics characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:DC Comics superhumans by ability? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We may consider that possibility too. AHI-3000 (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's odd that nobody has voted on this proposal yet? I am requesting that someone relist this discussion to the current date please. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Discussions are usually not relisted within a week. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support per nom, as proposed by Marcocapelle for character subcats. Marcocapelle's choice is more consistent with the prior outcome for Category:Fictional superhumans. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have updated the proposed name changes per Marco's suggestion. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom established in 2024
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom established in 2024 to Category:Proposed constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CRYSTAL. The Next United Kingdom general election, although widely speculated to take place in 2024, may not happen until 2025 so there is no guarantee that any of these constituencies will be established next year. Grammatically, it doesn't make sense either as 'established' is past tense but 2024 is a future date. There is an argument that the constituencies were created in 2023 as the Statutory Instrument which creates them came into force on 29 November 2023 but that would break with the current structure which categorises constituencies by year of first election. I'm unsure exactly what the correct name for the category should be so I am happy to listen to any alternative suggestions. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename -- We will probably need to rename again when there is an election, as new constituencies at 2024 election. This is a good solution for the moment.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:English-language Samoan films
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting english-language samoan films
 * Nominator's rationale: Category that misrepresents its contents. The "nationality" of a film is determined by what country's film industry fronted the money to produce it, not by where it may have been physically filmed -- but of the three films filed here, all three are American or British films that did some shooting in Samoa, and not even one of them is a Samoan-produced film at all. Further, renaming the category isn't necessary: and  both already exist, and all three of the films here are already in one or the other of those, so deleting this won't eliminate any context. This was, additionally, created by an editor who has been blocked from Wikipedia, in part because of their serial overcategorizing of articles on trivial, non-defining and inaccurate characteristics. Bearcat (talk) 14:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, the category contains two British films and one American film. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Super Bowl lead-out shows
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting super bowl lead-out shows
 * Nominator's rationale: This hardly seems WP:DEFINING. Just whatever program was scheduled next -- wooden  superman  14:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'll grant that American television does have a tendency to use the Super Bowl's massive audience as an opportunity to try to promote one of its new or struggling series by scheduling a special episode of that series right after the Super Bowl — but that isn't a meaningfully defining characteristic of the entire series, just potentially of the one specific episode alone. The overwhelming majority of the contents here are series, however, not specific episodes — but the entire series isn't defined by the scheduling of one episode, and having had one episode aired after the Super Bowl doesn't render the series into a defined group that get collectively analyzed on that basis. So a list is fine, and indeed List of Super Bowl lead-out programs already exists, but this isn't a defining or useful basis for a category. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The list is sufficient for this topic. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:OCASSOC. The list article is sufficient. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign hostages
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Foreign hostages by country. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign hostages to Category:Hostages by detaining country
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if "Foreign" is the right way to describe these categories as effectively they're describing where the hostages were taken Mason (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternate rename to Category:Foreign hostages by country. "detaining country" makes it sound like the hostages were arrested by police or soldiers of the government, instead of being kidnapped by local criminal gangs or terrorist groups. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My problem is with the "foreign" part of the name. Mason (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Support Category:Foreign hostages by country. These are commonly not detentions by the state, but by criminals or insurgents. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: foreign seems to serve a purpose: these categories apparently exclude hostages involving people who live in that country. I am not sure if that is a really useful category distinction though. But that is more an issue for the subcategories.  Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Possible future wars
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Category:Fair use images
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wikipedia non-free images. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 15:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fair use images to Category:Non-free images
 * Nominator's rationale: In the context of relevant Wikipedia policy, fair use and non-free content aren't exactly the same thing as explained in WP:ITSFAIRUSE and WP:NFC. Wikipedia's nn-free content use policy was, in fact, established to be more restrictive than the concept of "fair use" defined under US copyright law. Mixing the two terms up or treating them as interchangeable often leads to confusion, particularly among editors not very familiar with relevant policy. While it's true that the wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy's Exemption Doctrine Policy allows local projects to develop their own policies for using "fair use" content where applicable, ultimately it is the local policy that determines whether a particular type of non-free use is acceptable. Over the years, many templates and other pages associated with "non-free content use" have been renamed to reflect this difference accordingly, but perhaps this one just went unnoticed because it's just a maintenance template. Even so, it probably should be renamed for consistency sake and to avoid confusion. It should also be noted that there are many subcategories populating this parent category whose names probably also should be changed from "Fair use XXXX images" to "Non-free XXXX images" if the changing the name of the parent category is considered appropriate. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support The would-be merge target is actually at Category:Wikipedia non-free images. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - Should help align to policy. -- Whpq (talk) 06:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, this is long overdue.— TAnthonyTalk 17:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Schools in Bidar district
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Schools in Karnataka. Actually, the category is empty, so it can be deleted immediately. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting schools in bidar district
 * Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. The one entry is under consideration for AfD. LibStar (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now to Category:Schools in Karnataka without objection to recreate the category when multiple other articles about schools are written. The whole of Category:Schools in Karnataka by district may be nominated for merger. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objection to later recreation if the article count grows, per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This category is empty so no Merger is really called for. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia essays (arts)
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia essays about media. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia essays (arts) to Category:Wikipedia essays about works of art
 * Nominator's rationale: This seems to be the only subcat of Category:Wikipedia essays to use a parenthetical descriptor. Most (but not all) are titled Category:Wikipedia essays about foobar. However, I would be open to other names (which is why I am bringing this here as opposed to WP:C2C). <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 03:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * "about media" may be a better descriptor of the current content. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that this was named like this to match Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style (arts)‎. Gonnym (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Wikipedia essays about media. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional micronations
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional micronations to Category:Fictional countries
 * Nominator's rationale: With only one non-redirect member that isn't actually an article about a micronation, this is a micro-category. Falls under WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional principalities
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Category:Births by location
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Births by location to Category:Birthplaces
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 01:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:County of Portugal nobility
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:County of Portugal nobility to Category:Portuguese nobility
 * Propose merging Category:Counts of Portucale to Category:Counts of Portugal (Asturias-León)
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories Mason (talk) 01:28, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I purged Urraca Henriques who wasn't a count (her father was) leaving the second category empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, the subcategory in Category:County of Portugal nobility appears to be about Galician nobility rather than Portuguese, and is already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Equally fine with me. Mason (talk) 14:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Counts of Portucale has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Births in Guimarães
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Births in Guimarães to Category:People from Guimarães
 * Propose merging Category:Births in Lisbon to Category:People from Lisbon
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as the specific city of birth isn't defining Mason (talk) 01:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Women shooting survivors
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Category:Sexuality and age in fiction
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Category:French people in French Chad
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:People of French Equatorial Africa and Category:French expatriates in Chad. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 15:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:French people in French Chad to Category:French expatriates in Chad
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge (for now) this underpopulated category to French expatriates in Chad, there's not a French Chad category. and the only person in the category is already in a colonial category. Mason (talk) 16:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Since French Chad was part of France, I don't think we can talk about expatriation. Frenchl (talk) 10:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It was part of the French colonial empire, not part of France proper. But a reverse merge would also be fine, it just does not make sense to have two categories for the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If French Chad was part of France, it seems by that logic that most people in French Chad would count as French and therefore the category is pointless. It would be like "Australian people in Tasmania". But I don't think that's an accurate representation of the situation. As said above, it was a French colony, not part of France itself, just as Tasmania was once a British colony and not part of Britain. MClay1 (talk) 12:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Dual merge, also to Category:People of French Equatorial Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me. Mason (talk) 20:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support last suggestion. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French people in French Cambodia
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:French people in French Indochina and Category:French expatriates in Cambodia. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 15:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:French people in French Cambodia to Category:French expatriates in Cambodia
 * Nominator's rationale: There isn't a "French Cambodia" category, and I don't see how the only category member shouldn't just be categorized as an expatriate Mason (talk) 16:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Since French Cambodia was part of France, I don't think we can talk about expatriation. Frenchl (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It was part of the French colonial empire, not part of France proper. But a reverse merge would also be fine, it just does not make sense to have two categories for the same purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Dual merge, also to Category:French people in French Indochina. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support last suggesstion. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European history
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Category:Summer camps for children with special needs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Summer camps for children with disabilities. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 15:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Summer camps for children with special needs to Category:Summer camps for children with disabilities
 * Nominator's rationale: CDC: parent is Disability organizations, and description of category is "This category includes summer camps serving children with disabilities". "special needs" is a euphemism (per MOS:EUPHEMISM) Mason (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support APA style forbids this term because it is "condescending" to people with disabilities. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Are all children with special needs disabled? It seems like it's not just a euphamism as it's debatable whether it's appropriate to call all neurodivergent children disabled (depending on the condition, e.g. ADHD). I don't know exactly who the camps cater to. MClay1 (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per actual content, I checked a number of articles and they were all about disabilities in general or about a specific disability. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sexual exploitation by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sexual exploitation. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 15:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sexual exploitation by country to Category:Sexual exploitation
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has 1 redirect in it, which is not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Musicians by software
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Musicians by software
 * Propose Deleting Category:Ableton Live users
 * Propose Deleting Category:FL Studio users
 * Propose Deleting Category:Jeskola Buzz users
 * Propose Deleting Category:Renoise users
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC, WP:PERFCAT, WP:NONDEFINING & WP:RS
 * Musicians now use digital audio workstations to edit their digital music but the software articles don't generally provide sources for these users, with the exception of FL Studio. On the biography article side, the software is generally not mentioned at all in the articles I looked at cincluding with Ghost Loft, Afrojack, Oliver Lieb and Max Tundra, with at least one exception in Soulja Boy. Even when sourced, this association doesn't seem defining as musicians may change software packages or, as they become stars, delegate this work to technicians. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Background We deleted a similar cartoon by software category right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:The Beatles' musical instruments
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:The Beatles' musical instruments
 * Propose Selectively Reparenting List of the Beatles' instruments to both Category:The Beatles music and Category:Instruments of musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC, WP:PERFCAT, & WP:NONDEFINING
 * The parent category, Category:Instruments of musicians, is a mix of individual instruments owned by musicians (like Eddie Van Halen's Frankenstrat) and lists of instruments used by musicians (like Stevie Ray Vaughan's musical instruments). In contrast, this subcategory mostly has articles on commercially available instrument models or brands that were used at any point by the The Beatles. The Fab 4 may have used the Les Paul Model Gibson Guitar but so did Keith Richards, Eric Clapton and Slash; that model remains one of Gibson's best selling products. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic of these instruments. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I genuinely have no memory of creating this category. If the result is delete, I don't have an objection. It seems more suited to a list. MClay1 (talk) 09:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. It would be different if this was about a specific instrument owned by a musician, for example B. B. King's Lucille (guitar), but these are just bog-standard instruments such as Fender Telecaster, so not WP:DEFINING here.  -- wooden  superman  08:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


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