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Category:Privately educated journalists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 19:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting privately educated journalists
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining and vague Mason (talk) 23:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sámi peoples
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Category:People in Sámi history
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Category:Skolt families

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 19:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Skolt families to Category:Finnish Sámi people
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory with a Finnish Sámi family. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Category:Finnish Sámi people is not the only category above this category since the Skolts live in 3 different countries. Also there's two subcategories now. - Yupik (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The other category is about a Finnish Sámi family too, so there is nothing wrong with the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You are trying to flatten a category that does not solely belong to the category you are trying to flatten it into. It would be as incorrect as trying to flatten Category:Skolts into Category:Finnish people. - Yupik (talk) 09:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And as I said on the deletion discussion for one of the families in this category, there will be more coming towards the end of the year. It's final exam time right now, so I don't have time to start writing the rest of the articles that are on my to do list or to translate the ones that exist on other language versions. -Yupik (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The only issue is that after merger the subcats are correctly categorized. Category:Finnish Sámi people is a correct parent category of both. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Once again, it isn't. There is no 1-to-1 correspondence for Skolt families and Finnish Sámi people. Not really sure how to get you to understand this. - Yupik (talk) 17:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Here, let me try once again:
 * Finnish Sámi people could be Skolts, Northern Sámi, or Inari Sámi. Historically, they could also be from other Sámi groups that no longer exist.
 * Skolts could be from Norway, Russia, or Finland.
 * Merging Skolt families into Finnish Sámi people is just incorrect. Putting Finnish Sámi people as a category on the individual articles, however, would be correct. - Yupik (talk) 17:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per Nom to Category:Finnish Sámi people. If other Skolt families categories are created later from other countries, they can be placed in the correct nation too. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. It has the potential to screw up thing on other Wikimedia sites and as I have stated, is just plain inaccurate and incorrect. - Yupik (talk) 09:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing gets screwed up, the only thing that happens is that these two Finnish Sámi families are moved to the Finnish Sámi category and then Category:Skolt families is deleted. You seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I do know what the knock-on effects of merging stuff in enwp does on other Wikimedia projects since I end up having to clean them up elsewhere. - Yupik (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you explain the knock-on effects you're describing? (Other language Wikipedias don't need to follow the same categorization structure as enwp.) RevelationDirect (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have manually added both families to Category:Finnish Sámi people, this can happen irrespective of the nomination. Now the nominated category can simply be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sámi people by religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sámi people by religion to Category:Sámi people
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. - Yupik (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The consequence of a merge is that Category:Sámi pagans stays in the tree of Category:Sámi people - as it should. Deletion would remove it from the tree, which is definitely wrong. As above, you seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge With no objection to recreation if subcategories about non-Pagans ever appear. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish sportspeople
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male athletes (track and field) to Category:Jewish athletes (track and field)
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish female athletes (track and field) to Category:Jewish athletes (track and field)
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish men's footballers to Category:Jewish footballers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish women's footballers to Category:Jewish footballers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male martial artists to Category:Jewish martial artists
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish female martial artists to Category:Jewish martial artists
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish women's volleyball players to Category:Jewish volleyball players
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish men's basketball players to Category:Jewish basketball players
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish women's basketball players to Category:Jewish basketball players


 * Propose merge Category:Jewish female fencers to Category:Jewish fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male fencers to Category:Jewish fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish female foil fencers to Category:Jewish foil fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male foil fencers to Category:Jewish foil fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish female épée fencers to Category:Jewish épée fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male épée fencers to Category:Jewish épée fencers
 * Propose merge Category:Jewish male sabre fencers to Category:Jewish sabre fencers


 * Nominator's rationale: Per discussion here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, double WP:EGRS issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Jewish men's basketball players and Category:Jewish women's basketball players categories were emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liz, they were merged per discussion here, by @Smasongarrison. I added the two categories here as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lappeenranta University of Technology alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lappeenranta University of Technology alumni to Category:LUT University alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: This should be moved for consistency with the corresponding article which is titled LUT University. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename Leaving Redirect since reliable sources will continue to use the old name for individuals. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated explorers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Murdered explorers. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Assassinated explorers to Category:Explorers and Category:Assassinated people
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. I don't think that the intersection between being an explorer and being assassinated in defining. Mason (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: Isn't there precedenct practice of limiting assassinated people categories to those who were killed due to their jobs or positions, so if the intersection is non-defining the upmerge should be to "murdered people"? That said, being killed by angry locals does seem like a significant occupational hazard for explorers, so I would think it's a defining intersection, though "assassinated" might not be the right word. James Cook is a prominent example that quickly comes to mind, and there are probably many others that could populate the category were it renamed to cover their case. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt merge to Category:Murdered explorers. As Paul_012 said, assassination isn't the right word, murder is more appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI, emptied the category out of process, e.g., Mason (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * if you do this, you should at least be transparent about it by adding a comment in this discussion, and you should always leave a proper edit summary when editing an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merging into Category:Murdered explorers. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:East German men by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:East German men by occupation to Category:East German men
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now as this category only contains one child category, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, since there is nothing else in Category:East German men either. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect as template on subcat will resolve this. See precedents at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_24. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now either populated the other national categories of men by occupation so that they have more than one subcat, or redirected them to the "Fooian men" parent as housekeeping (WP:G6) per precedent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Photographic collections and books
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Category:Only Murders in the Building
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting only murders in the building
 * Nominator's rationale: With only the main article and a load of redirects, do we really need this? -- wooden superman  13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, redundant category layer. The main article has been categorized sufficiently. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Photo archives
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Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as per previous closure. The issue appears to have been resolved. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide to Category:Films about siblicide
 * Nominator's rationale: Conciseness; we have Category:Siblicide in fiction (which is scheduled for speedy renaming). –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: this was originally closed as rename to Category:Films about siblicide, but was brought to DRV. I have reopened the discussion on the grounds that new information has come to light. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 12:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom, though I've half a mind that it could be upmerged further. Is being more specific than familicide really necessary? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: The concern raised at DRV by User:Naraht was "Large majority of pages in category are about deaths of fraternity brothers and sorority sisters. If changed to siblicide these would need to be removed." (Noting for context and convenience.) --Paul_012 (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: My apologies for bringing this up at DRV, I didn't realize there was a more appropriate area. The primary issue here is that fratricide (and to some extent sororicide) are used more generally, in the context of both killing a person who is like a brother such as a fellow soldier in a military unit as well as apparently most of the entries in this category, which not only includes films with the situation where one fraternity brother kills another, but also where (for example) a maniac (non-fraternity member)kills all significant members of a fraternity that had assaulted his sister. Siblicide while on the surface is simply a rollup of the two, in practice would not include fraternities and sororities. I'm looking for solutions rather than being completely opposed to the merge (or even upmerge).Naraht (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * can you give some examples of articles in this category which are not about siblicide? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The House on Sorority Row is a typical example. All of the people killed are connected in belonging to a sorority, but the killer is not a member of the sorority. So it doesn't belong in Siblicide at all. Whether it belongs in a group about fratricide and sororicide is another question. But Category renames shouldn't remove large numbers of articles from the category, in general.Naraht (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * well, that is exactly the question, is it a large number or is it just one or two articles? By the way, I will purge The House on Sorority Row because you are right that it would not belong in Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * away from my desktop right now. Expect to a deep-dish with in 24 hours. However as a beginning, more than half the articles in the category appear to have the word sorority in them. While this not proof, it is a start. Naraht (talk) 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Endorse earlier closure to rename, unless User:Naraht provides real evidence that it concerns "large numbers of articles". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile I purged Black Christmas (1974 film) and a dozen other articles too. These articles are properly in Category:Films about fraternities and sororities and should never have been in Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If Silblicide doesn't include Fraternity and Sorority Horror films then I'm fine with the change. (Basically Scream 2 is Fraternity & Sorority horror films and Scream 3 is a biological sibling. Not sure if renaming it and getting rid of more than half the articles is what is intended, but it is *a* solution. Let me know what I can do to indicate I don't have any objections.Naraht (talk) 18:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is fine that Scream 3 is not in Fraternity and sorority films. Each of the Scream films went with a very different setup.Naraht (talk) 22:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:History of holography
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of holography to Category:Holography
 * Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains one subcat about fiction. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge The fiction cat doesn't strongly belong here and we don't seem to have anything else. Although I'd be happy to see this category stay or return if we had content to populate it. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Andy Dingley. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, or delete if Category:Holography in fiction is merged at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_19. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1st-century Irish people by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1st-century Irish people by occupation to Category:1st-century Irish people
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, better merge the subcategory too for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:10th-century Scottish people by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:10th-century Scottish people by occupation to Category:10th-century Scottish people
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:11th-century Scottish people by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:11th-century Scottish people by occupation to Category:11th-century Scottish people
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I added monarchs as a subcategory, but that does not change the situation very much. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:13th-century Danish people by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:13th-century Danish people by occupation to Category:13th-century Danish people
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. It is a pretty surprising subcategory, by the way, not exactly an occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and nationality to Category:LGBT people by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, it is more natural to find the subcategories directly under the target. Sibling Category:LGBT people by gender identity and nationality has been nominated for merge elsewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per WP:NARROWCAT. X meets Y categories for every little thing hinder navigation more than assist it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


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