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Category:Luke Jerram installation artworks

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Installation art works by Luke Jerram. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Luke Jerram installation artworks to Category:Installation artworks by Luke Jerram
 * Nominator's rationale: I wasn't aware of the correct naming scheme at the time I created this. Apologies (what a way to make my first category!). I believe this falls under WP:C2C and WP:C2E.Schminnte (talk • contribs) 23:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC) (edited 23:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC))

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename but to Category:Installation art works by Luke Jerram per Category:Installation art works and Category:Works by artist (both C2C).Oculi (talk) 01:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It might be upmerged to Category:Installation art works which hasn't been diffused by any other artist. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename  to Category:Installation art works by Luke Jerram — WP:SMALLCAT, but Luke Jerram is living, still has possibility of expansion.


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Category:Grand Theft Auto III

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting grand theft auto iii
 * Nominator's rationale: There’s only one article and three redirects in the category (which all target the only article in the category). Armbrust The Homunculus 22:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and move the one article to Category:Grand Theft Auto. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Delete, since I don't see much of a chance for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 15:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople by region

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William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:48, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sportspeople by region
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT unnecessary shim category contains only 1 subcategory. This is the only occupation in parent Category:People by region.


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Danish Education Ministers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:36, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Danish Education Ministers to Category:Education ministers of Denmark
 * Nominator's rationale: To match parent Category:Education ministers by country Estopedist1 (talk) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2C. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2C as Marcocapelle states. Oculi (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Adult animated television series by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Adult animated television series by nationality to Category:Adult animated television series by country
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, television series are normally diffused by country, e.g. Category:Animated television series by country. It is not a case of WP:C2C because the other parent is "by nationality", though that parent is nominated for deletion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. As detailed below, I see no other option but deletion for the improperly named parent. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 16:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Adult entertainment by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting adult entertainment by nationality
 * Propose deleting adulthood by country
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. There aren't any merge targets that I think are applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Unclear what else would go in here, and one of the category members is improperly named. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Wikipedians who have access to Baylor
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who have access to baylor
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, the category is empty apart from the userbox. If kept, rename to Category:Wikipedians who have access to Baylor University or Category:Wikipedians who have access to Baylor University Press per article Baylor University. This was opposed for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Category:Wikipedians who have access to Baylor to Category:Wikipedians who have access to Baylor University – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose These users have access to "Baylor University Press", but as that doesn't has an article this can't be speedily renamed. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe that the redirect Baylor University Press might be still valid for C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * IMO redirects don't qualify for C2D. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Although you had no objection to ? If you still oppose this, we might as well wait pending other Speedies, and then nominate this together with other unclear sub-cats of Category:Wikipedians by access to a digital library. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:49, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn’t notice that was a redirect. I struck that. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn’t notice that was a redirect. I struck that. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * pinging participants to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename using "Baylor University Press". Although this currently only contains an unused userbox, it is part of a Wikipedia Library access set, so could be useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Baylor University Press or deletion because empty. Gonnym (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete empty Kbdank71 00:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as empty, with no objection to a recreation under the renamed title if an actual user joins. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who have access to IMF
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who have access to imf
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, empty category apart from the userbox. If kept, rename to Category:Wikipedians who have access to the IMF eLibrary per stale discussion at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:32, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:Wikipedians who have access to IMF to Category:Wikipedians who have access to International Monetary Fund – C2D: or "International Monetary Fund elibrary" which is what specifically is meant here. Gonnym (talk) 07:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be better to refer to the library, but its name is the "IMF eLibrary" and this would suffice. Shall we add this to the list for a full CFD? – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:42, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Fayenatic london. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:28, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:26, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Rename using "IMF eLibary". – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I support renaming rather than deletion, because it is part of a structure about access under Wikipedia Library, and because once populated it could be useful e.g. for other editors seeking confirmation of sourcing via someone with access to this library. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Empty Kbdank71 00:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete as empty, with no objection to a recreation under the renamed title if an actual user joins. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete IMF says this partnership is currently not available, and thus this category isn't necessary. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:15, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point. Delete, then. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:24, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:North American Soccer League (1968–1984) drafts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting north american soccer league (1968–1984) drafts
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete in spirit of WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is no longer applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - category has now been populated, following the precedent. . GiantSnowman 11:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm curious as to where the precident with is because we most certainly should not categorize people as "drafts". They are "draft picks". –Aidan721 (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Draft picks' should be a sub-category of this category. GiantSnowman 19:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no such "precedent". That has not been discussed here, and most should be deleted.
 * This screams failing WP:COPSEP. Perhaps a rename? –Aidan721 (talk) 14:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is badly failing WP:COPSEP; other such drafts categories contain lists of yearly drafts and results, not individual draftees.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete WP:OVERLAPCAT — These are draftees. If they are drafted, then they will be in "draft picks". Once they play, they are also under Category:North American Soccer League (1968–1984) players, but also in their specific team. (E.g. Category:Tampa Bay Rowdies draft picks and Category:Tampa Bay Rowdies (1975–1993) players.) Since these are only the notable players, they will all be in a minimum of 4 near duplicate categories. This is insanity level of Overcategorization: Do not create categories for every single verifiable fact in articles.
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 * Delete -- I cannot believe that the players are notable for being part of a draft, rather than for being players. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Pennyworth (TV series) characters
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Pennyworth (TV series) characters to Category:Gotham (TV series) characters
 * Nominator's rationale: All the characters with articles are mainly Gotham series, not defined by appearing on Pennyworth. ★Trekker (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Pennyworth (TV series) character redirects to lists
 * Nominator's rationale: orphaned subcategory per

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:22, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @★Trekker: shouldn't the target category be Category:Gotham (TV series) characters rather than  Category:Gotham (TV series)? Also, shouldn't Category:Pennyworth (TV series) character redirects to lists also be nominated here for merging likewise? – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I haven't looked at what entries are in the category, but regardless a merge between two completely different TV series with completely unrelated storylines is bizzare. If the content does not fit the category, then delete. Gonnym (talk) 18:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Purge and delete per Gonnym. Also, updated nomination per.
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 * Note: for both nominated categories, Merge or Delete will now have exactly the same outcome, as all three member pages/redirects are already in the target categories. also, they all have names ending with the disambiguator "(Gotham)". – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure delete is fine. I just noted that the shows are not the same. It seems that the editor that caused this mess was also blocked so that makes sense. Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Manuscripts written in undeciphered writing systems
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 19%23Category:Manuscripts written in undeciphered writing systems

Historic places in New Zealand
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Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places Category:Category 1 historic places in Taranaki Category:Heritage New Zealand category 2 historic places Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Auckland Region Category:Category 2 historic places in the Auckland Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Bay of Plenty Region Category:Category 2 historic places in the Bay of Plenty Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand Category:Category 2 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Gisborne District Category:Category 2 historic places in the Gisborne District Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Hawke's Bay Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in Manawatū-Whanganui Category:Category 2 historic places in Manawatū-Whanganui Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Marlborough Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Nelson Region Category:Category 2 historic places in the Nelson Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Northland Region Category:Category 2 historic places in the Northland Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in Otago Category:Category 2 historic places in Otago Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in Southland, New Zealand Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Tasman Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in Waikato Category:Category 2 historic places in Waikato Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the Wellington Region Category:Category 2 historic places in the Wellington Region Category:Heritage New Zealand Category:Category 1 historic places in the West Coast, New Zealand Category:Category 2 historic places in the West Coast, New Zealand
 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename the renaming nominations, but merge those nominated for merging. Participation has been strong over the renamings, but the mergers do not seem to have been examined closely. It is not appropriate to merge the regional NZHPT categories to Category:Heritage New Zealand, as their sub-cats (the ones nominated for renaming) are already within,  or ; so I will implement the merger by merging where appropriate to Category:History of the Auckland Region etc, because I do not think anybody intended to remove the subcats altogether from the parent hierarchy for each region. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places by region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Taranaki to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places to
 * Propose upmerging Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places by region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Auckland Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Auckland Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Auckland Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Auckland Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Bay of Plenty Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Bay of Plenty Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Bay of Plenty Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in Canterbury, New Zealand to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Canterbury, New Zealand to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Gisborne District to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Gisborne District to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Gisborne District to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Hawke's Bay Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Hawke's Bay Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in Manawatū-Whanganui to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Manawatū-Whanganui to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Manawatū-Whanganui to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Marlborough Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Marlborough Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Nelson Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Nelson Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Nelson Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Northland Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Northland Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Northland Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in Otago to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Otago to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Otago to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in Southland, New Zealand to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Southland, New Zealand to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Tasman Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Tasman Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in Waikato to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in Waikato to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in Waikato to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the Wellington Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the Wellington Region to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the Wellington Region to
 * Propose upmerging Category:NZHPT register in the West Coast, New Zealand to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 1 historic places in the West Coast, New Zealand to
 * Propose renaming Category:Heritage New Zealand Category 2 historic places in the West Coast, New Zealand to


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATNAME Do not write the category structure in names. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register. Match parent "History of ...." Eliminate WP:SMALLCAT layer of one 1 or 2 subcategories.


 * Category:NZHPT register in the West Coast, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the West Coast, New Zealand – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest that we can leave off the, New Zealand bit where applicable; the country is already mentioned in the organisation's title.  Schwede 66  06:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Lengthy but follows the tree which is History of the West Coast, New Zealand, etc. so should be kept. Gonnym (talk) 10:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the West Coast, New Zealand (with or without the terminal New Zealand). Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Wellington Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Wellington Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Wellington Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in Waikato to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in Waikato – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in Waikato. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Tasman Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Tasman Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Tasman Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in Southland, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in Southland, New Zealand – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in Southland, New Zealand. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in Otago to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in Otago – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in Otago. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Northland Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Northland Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Northland Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Nelson Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Nelson Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Nelson Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Marlborough Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Marlborough Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Marlborough Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in Manawatū-Whanganui to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in Manawatū-Whanganui – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in Manawatū-Whanganui. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Auckland Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Auckland Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Auckland Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Hawke's Bay Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Hawke's Bay Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:37, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Hawke's Bay Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Gisborne District to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Gisborne District – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:37, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Gisborne District. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in Canterbury, New Zealand to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in Canterbury, New Zealand – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:37, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in Canterbury, New Zealand. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT register in the Bay of Plenty Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand register in the Bay of Plenty Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, but instead uses list, and the category is not for the list but for items on the list or listings, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand listings in the Bay of Plenty Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Followup to:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 25
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * tagged from the previous nomination, added many from Speedy objections, with agreed format.
 * Support as this scheme addresses all of the various issues that the rename process identified in this category tree. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 00:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I updated the "from" category names after the 25 Jan renaming went through. The CFD templates were removed and will have to be reinstated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * there was only 1 category up for renaming on 25 Jan. These rest had not been tagged, and had been segregated, They should not have been copied to CFDW (and hand changed), and the CfD tags for a completely different week removed. Especially with wrong capitalization! thank you for informing us of that colossal screwup. I'd spent over 4 hours hand tagging them, and I'll not be spending any more hours retagging them. If untagged categories can be renamed once to improper capitalization, they can be again to proper names. Speedily.
 * @William Allen Simpson, ah, sorry, I didn't realise that. I'll retag them soon. Also, if you need to do a mass nom, I can tag them for you.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1675497565781:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  07:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like @Fayenatic london is taking care of this.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1675499138822:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_2" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  08:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, just needed an Undo on each page. While I was passing through I noticed that the sort keys are inconsistent, but sorry, I left those for somebody else to harmonise.– Fayenatic  L ondon 08:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'd actually posted the following note, that I'd expected the closer to read:
 * Procedural issue: Only one tagged. The others will need to be re-nominated and tagged after conclusion here. Also, related speedy will need to be re-nominated and tagged.
 * Yeah, I usually check the sort keys afterwards on bulk nominations. Also, after up/down merges, ensure its categories got merged, too. Sometimes they aren't.
 * Oppose all. This is a misinterpretation of WP:CATNAME. Without the "Heritage New Zealand" prefix, the category names become meaningless. These categories were all just moved to the current locations, and do not need moving again a day later. Paora (talk) 08:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Further comment: WP:CATNAME is clear: Choose category names that can stand alone, independent of the way a category is connected to other categories. Removing the "Heritage New Zealand" thwarts that objective. Paora (talk) 09:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. "Category 1 historic places in Taranaki" stands alone. Nobody gives a flying fig that this is a "NZHPT" or "HNZ" category. We're never going to allow parallel local categories of historic places for the same thing.
 * You say "Nobody gives a flying fig", but most of the commenters here have objected to the removal of "Heritage New Zealand" from the category names, so clearly there are people who do "give a flying fig". And who is the "we" you speak of? If there were local categories of historic places proposed that were defining characteristics of those places, then that would be entirely appropriate and within the guidelines, and I personally would have no problem in allowing them. Since you mention Taranaki, it's worth noting that of the 1,140 historic heritage buildings, structures or items identified in Taranaki by district councils as of 2014, only 160 were listed by Heritage New Zealand, so there could be potential scope for local categories! Paora (talk) 10:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:09, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose removing "Heritage New Zealand" from the name, per Paora. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Paora. "Heritage New Zealand Category 1" is the thing. See Heritage New Zealand ("The historic places are organised in two categories: Category 1 ... Category 2 ..."). "Category 1" can't stand alone. —Alalch E. 17:14, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't mind one way or the other, but I don't think the opposers have made a very strong case for the long names being necessary. Sure, "Category 1" couldn't stand alone, but "Category 1 historic places in X" could, cf. the UK cats e.g. within Category:Grade I listed buildings in England by county. Or is there another NZ register of historic places apart from Heritage New Zealand?
 * Also, even if the nominated renamings are opposed, the NZHPT categories need to be either merged or renamed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are other lists of historic places in New Zealand. Each territorial authority (local council) in New Zealand maintains its own list(s) of historic places, with one or more categories, as part of their district plans, with different criteria (that vary from council to council) from those used by Heritage New Zealand. Thus, the local lists may be quite different from the national list compiled by Heritage New Zealand. Paora (talk) 11:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had a lifelong interest in historic preservation, and live in one of the original homes in the oldest historic district of Ann Arbor. (Down the street from "Ann [Allen]'s Arbor" on Allen Creek. I'm an Allen, on my mother's side.) My great-aunty on my father's side lived in a "category B-listed" art deco house in Scotland. We have local historic districts, but the listing standards are state and national by law.
 * "Category 1 historic places in X" is how we've done the rest of the world. We don't graft "National Heritage List of <Foo>" onto each of them.
 * This eliminates the "New Zealand [...] in, New Zealand" naming issue.
 * Responding to William Allen Simpson's three points above:
 * Interesting but not relevant here, as this discussion is about New Zealand, not Michigan or Scotland.
 * How we've done these New Zealand categories for the last 10 years, since the first of these categories were created, is to begin the category name with the listing authority, until now NZHPT, i.e. the New Zealand Historic Places Trust, to distinguish clearly from local authority heritage listings. This format has been stable and has not previously attracted comment. The New Zealand Historic Places Trust has been renamed Heritage New Zealand, hence the need to rename the category.
 * Not a big issue.
 * Paora (talk) 09:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The point to take away is that I'm familiar with categorization of historic places in multiple jurisdictions. New Zealand isn't really that different. While nobody cared enough to notice that NZHPT junk on the old categories, that's not a good reason to resist standard category naming practices.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support the various upmerges and deletes; the tree seems unnecessarily complicated (this removes all references to NZHPT unless I have missed some). Oppose  the removal of 'Heritage New Zealand' (which is contrary to 2023 January 25#Category:New Zealand Historic Places Trust Category I listings rather than a follow-up). As William Allen Simpson says only 2 weeks ago, this is WP:C2C per the eponymous topic category Category:Heritage New Zealand, article Heritage New Zealand. Oculi (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Cultural depictions
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Note 1: There is support from both sides for listing and purging less significant instances. That can go ahead anyway without further discussion, but if there's a mass purge which might be contentious then I suggest linking to diffs or noting the removed items on the category (or main article) talk page. Lists in some form probably exist in all these cases already, either near the end of the main biography or as a separate page. Note 2: the category for James Joyce has been separately nominated and deleted with partial merging per Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 3. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Aristotle to Category:Works about Aristotle
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Jane Austen to Category:Works about Jane Austen
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Charles Baudelaire to Category:Works about Charles Baudelaire
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Silvio Berlusconi to Category:Works about Silvio Berlusconi
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Joe Biden to Category:Works about Joe Biden
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Billy the Kid to Category:Works about Billy the Kid
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of George W. Bush to Category:Works about George W. Bush
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Julius Caesar to Category:Works about Julius Caesar
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Alessandro Cagliostro to Category:Works about Alessandro Cagliostro


 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Giacomo Casanova to Category:Works about Giacomo Casanova
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Fidel Castro to Category:Works about Fidel Castro
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Che Guevara to Category:Works about Che Guevara
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Cicero to Category:Works about Cicero
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Cleopatra to Category:Works about Cleopatra
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Grover Cleveland to Category:Works about Grover Cleveland
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Bill Clinton to Category:Works about Bill Clinton
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Hillary Clinton to Category:Works about Hillary Clinton
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Georges Danton to Category:Works about Georges Danton
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Charles Dickens to Category:Works about Charles Dickens
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Walt Disney to Category:Works about Walt Disney
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Bob Dylan to Category:Works about Bob Dylan
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Thomas Edison to Category:Works about Thomas Edison
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Adolf Eichmann to Category:Works about Adolf Eichmann
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Albert Einstein to Category:Works about Albert Einstein
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Benjamin Franklin to Category:Works about Benjamin Franklin
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Sigmund Freud to Category:Works about Sigmund Freud
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Mahatma Gandhi to Category:Works about Mahatma Gandhi
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe to Category:Works about Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Vincent van Gogh to Category:Works about Vincent van Gogh
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of William Randolph Hearst to Category:Works about William Randolph Hearst
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Ernest Hemingway to Category:Works about Ernest Hemingway
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Alfred Hitchcock to Category:Works about Alfred Hitchcock
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Adolf Hitler to Category:Works about Adolf Hitler
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Michael Jackson to Category:Works about Michael Jackson
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc to Category:Works about Joan of Arc
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Steve Jobs to Category:Works about Steve Jobs
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of James Joyce to Category:Works about James Joyce
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Franz Kafka to Category:Works about Franz Kafka
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of John F. Kennedy to Category:Works about John F. Kennedy
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Robert F. Kennedy to Category:Works about Robert F. Kennedy
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Ruhollah Khomeini to Category:Works about Ruhollah Khomeini
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Martin Luther King Jr. to Category:Works about Martin Luther King Jr.
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Stanley Kubrick to Category:Works about Stanley Kubrick
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Bruce Lee to Category:Works about Bruce Lee
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Abraham Lincoln to Category:Works about Abraham Lincoln
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Louis XIV to Category:Works about Louis XIV
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Louis XV to Category:Works about Louis XV
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Louis XVI to Category:Works about Louis XVI
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Madonna to Category:Works about Madonna
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Malcolm X to Category:Works about Malcolm X
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Nelson Mandela to Category:Works about Nelson Mandela
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Mao Zedong to Category:Works about Mao Zedong
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Marie Antoinette to Category:Works about Marie Antoinette
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Karl Marx to Category:Works about Karl Marx
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Minamoto no Yoshitsune to Category:Works about Minamoto no Yoshitsune
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Marilyn Monroe to Category:Works about Marilyn Monroe
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Michael Moore to Category:Works about Michael Moore
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Napoleon to Category:Works about Napoleon
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Nero to Category:Works about Nero
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Friedrich Nietzsche to Category:Works about Friedrich Nietzsche
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Leonard Nimoy to Category:Works about Leonard Nimoy
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Richard Nixon to Category:Works about Richard Nixon
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Barack Obama to Category:Works about Barack Obama
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Oda Nobunaga to Category:Works about Oda Nobunaga
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Edgar Allan Poe to Category:Works about Edgar Allan Poe
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Elvis Presley to Category:Works about Elvis Presley
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Marcel Proust to Category:Works about Marcel Proust
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Vladimir Putin to Category:Works about Vladimir Putin
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Ayn Rand to Category:Works about Ayn Rand
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Ronald Reagan to Category:Works about Ronald Reagan
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Rembrandt to Category:Works about Rembrandt
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Maximilien Robespierre to Category:Works about Maximilien Robespierre
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Franklin D. Roosevelt to Category:Works about Franklin D. Roosevelt
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Theodore Roosevelt to Category:Works about Theodore Roosevelt
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Anwar Sadat to Category:Works about Anwar Sadat
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Jean-Paul Sartre to Category:Works about Jean-Paul Sartre
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Servilia (mother of Brutus) to Category:Works about Servilia (mother of Brutus)
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of William Shakespeare to Category:Works about William Shakespeare
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Tupac Shakur to Category:Works about Tupac Shakur
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman to Category:Works about Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Frank Sinatra to Category:Works about Frank Sinatra
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Joseph Smith to Category:Works about Joseph Smith
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Socrates to Category:Works about Socrates
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Baruch Spinoza to Category:Works about Baruch Spinoza
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Joseph Stalin to Category:Works about Joseph Stalin
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Leo Tolstoy to Category:Works about Leo Tolstoy
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Donald Trump to Category:Works about Donald Trump
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Mark Twain to Category:Works about Mark Twain
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Johannes Vermeer to Category:Works about Johannes Vermeer
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Leonardo da Vinci to Category:Works about Leonardo da Vinci
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Voltaire to Category:Works about Voltaire
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of George Washington to Category:Works about George Washington
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Orson Welles to Category:Works about Orson Welles
 * Propose manually merging Category:Cultural depictions of Wu Zetian to Category:Works about Wu Zetian


 * Nominator's rationale: manually merge as follow-up on this earlier discussion in which the top "depictions of people" category was merged to Category:Works based on real people. In contrast to the works categories, the depictions categories contain an awful lot of non-defining mentions, so this really has to be sorted out manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Support. Few down, still so many to go.
 * <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That is entirely correct. This nominations only contains Cultural depictions categories insofar there is also a Works category. Many Cultural depictions categories do not have a Works category in parallel and have not been included here. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Support as a step forward. Once this is accomplished, I think we should have a discussion concerning "X works", "Works about X", "Works by X", "Works based on X", etc. (As well as the usage of the word "media" vs. "medium".) And then write up some guidelines on this.  It seems every few months some enthusiastic editor comes along to re-create the wheel and wastes a LOT of everyone's time. - jc37 06:39, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Preferred: Listify - per the discussion. This is apparently a mess, and merging would actually make more work in the long run, trying to sift through the categories for whether the character merely "appeared" or was actually part of the story in some way. - jc37 14:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no mess, the term 'Cultural depictions of...' has been a stable and functional aspect of categories for many years. And please read Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigational templates which specifically and repeatedly instructs that categories and lists are not mutually-exclusive and that neither should be used to harm the other. Why do people who comment in CfD keep on making the same mistakes when those WP instructions exist? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:17, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * lol. Thank you. You made me smille : )
 * All I'll say is: Why indeed? : ) - jc37 14:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. But what an odd and useless retort. Please elaborate at what made you both lol (I only write that when I actually lol) and smile, or are you counting the smile as a lol? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to comment, but ok - Several reasons. Here're just two:
 * One may be that, I've been active in CfD off-n-on for about 16 years, and, well, I think it's fair to say that I'm more than pretty well versed in most policy regarding categories. And as such I'm a fairly strong proponent of WP:CLS (now known as WP:CLN).
 * And for another, only a few minutes prior to your comment, I literally had just noted CLN in a comment further down this thread. (Though, thank you, your comment inspired me to clarify it.)
 * So when you ask: "Why do people who comment in CfD keep on making the same mistakes when those WP instructions exist?" - I can but respond: "Why indeed?" - jc37 16:20, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support and document!
 * Oppose Cultural depictions can be more than just a single work or groups of works, a character is not a work but a depiction for example, and a non-fiction work like a scholarly article isn't really a "cultural depiction".★Trekker (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per StarTrekker, i.e. a character depicting Thomas Jefferson as one character of many in a television series is not a "Work about Thomas Jefferson", it is a cultural depiction. Jc37's response above is concerning, to sub-divide and sub-divide: "Cultural depictions of..." is understandable, functional, has been fine, and nothing is broken. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Depicting Thomas Jefferson as one character of many in a television series does not make it a defining characteristic of the television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thats not at all what I meant. If there was a specific version of a fictionalized figure that has an article that is a depiction but not a work (such as Prince Hal).★Trekker (talk) 17:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, StarTrekker, so let's find out exactly what you meant, so we can better understand each other.
 * Please provide one or more examples of a depiction that you feel is not a creative work. - jc37 05:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel like my explanation is pretty clear, but ok, Joe Biden (The Onion) is a character not a work.★Trekker (talk) 10:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Any character, even if it is based upon a real person, is a creative work. Any other examples? - jc37 10:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Characters are not works, characters are characters.★Trekker (talk) 12:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently you did not click on the links I provided. Regardless, thank you for clarifying. So the issue here is that you are unaware that character is an element of a creative work, and thus it too is a creative work. - jc37 14:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If someone is depicted in a cultural film, comic, etc. they are the subject of a cultural depiction. Ipso facto. There is nothing broken here. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Question. The Asterix series of comics figures Julius Caesar as the main antagonist. At first glance I would say it is not a work about Julius Caesar, but it still is a notable depiction, not one character of many (as a hint, 4620 hits on Scholar). I agree that non-notable cultural depictions (translated: random appearances) should be purged, but may not there be room for notable ones, as in the example above? Where would you place this example work in the proposed structure? Place Clichy (talk) 08:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ^ This is important too, "cultural depictions" is a far better descriptor in many cases.★Trekker (talk) 10:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Still a creative work about Caesar. Even a parody is a work. Of course, here is where chimes in that these should be "based upon" instead of "about".
 * No, its not about Caesar or based on Caesar, its about Asterix, Caesar is a major character sometimes, but most stories are entirely fictional and not "based on" Caesar or other historical events.★Trekker (talk) 12:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why exactly would we be categorizing every time Julius Ceasar appeared in fiction? At best this is something that should be a list, so that the appearance in question can be explained - just as you did just now. There are limitations to the category system, and this is one of them. See Point #2 at WP:CLN#Disadvantages of a category, for more information. Incidentally, this whole "culteral depictions" tree of categories, are subcats of Category:Works based on real people. - jc37 14:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But the work here is the Asterix comics, and that is clearly not about Caesar. Character redirects to and should most probably not be made into a full article. Categorizing the actual work (Asterix), rather than the character, as a cultural depiction of Julius Caesar (in comics) feels like the right move. I agree that a purge is probably needed, e.g. the 3 boats named Giulio Cesare (1, 2, 3) have nothing to do in Category:Cultural depictions of Julius Caesar. I also agree that minor character appearances would probably be better served by list articles. However, the mere notion that notable cultural depictions simply do not exist leaves me sceptical, which makes me lend towards keep/purge, unless I read clearer explanations on how these notable depictions would fit in the new structure. Place Clichy (talk) 10:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, just because the entire work may be considered to be about a topic, it does not mean that the elements which make up that work are any less creative works themselves. I have linked to them already, but please see: creative work, character, literary element, and pretty much any elementary school literature class. - jc37 16:20, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course Asterix's Julius Caesar character is a creative work and is about Julius Caesar. However, that character is not eligible for a Wikipedia article: the Asterix series of comics is, so that's the only creative work we talk about here. And that works depicts Ceasar, but is not about Caesar. More generally, in any fictional or novelized universe, specific books or films or video games etc. are often worth Wikipedia articles, but individual characters rarely are. However, the cultural depictions in them are often (at least sometimes) noteworthy, as in the list of examples given below in my answer to Marcocapelle. So it's a moot point to discuss the categorization of non-existing articles about 'literary elements' in works about Foo categories. Place Clichy (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Cases where a cultural depiction is defining for the article while it is not a work about the subject are extremely rare. I can't imagine we would keep up an entire category tree, full of non-defining mentions, for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would not say rare. There are plenty of cases where a secondary character achieves its own notability (John Falstaff comes to mind), and that also happens to real-based characters. Richard Burton's depiction of Mark Anthony in Mankiewicz's Cleopatra, Katharine Hepburn's Oscar-winning interpretation of Eleanor of Aquitaine in The Lion in Winter (the 'Lion' referring to Henry II), Anthony Hopkins as Pdt-to-be John Quincy Adams in Amistad are examples. In fact, Academy Award nomination lists for Best Supporting Actress and Best Supporting Actor have plenty of roles based on historic characters(Best Actress/Actor being more frequently for title roles). And that's only for Hollywood: notable cultural depictions in secondary characters also abounds in novel (Richard Lionheart is probably more well-known for the character in Ivanhoe and Robin Hood that his actual own deeds, as can be said of the real D'Artagnan vs. that of The Three Musketeers), play or opera (think of Philip II in Verdi's Don Carlos, or Marshall Kutuzov in Prokofiev's War and Peace). Also, there is the question whether even highly fictionalized title roles, such as the many fantasized depictions of Cleopatra, would really qualify as works about a historical figure. So I am leaning towards keep/purge unless I read clearer explanations on how these notable depictions would fit in the new structure. (I took the liberty to fix the indentation to place this line as an answer to my previous comment. Correct me if I was wrong.) Place Clichy (talk) 10:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge/listify when possible. This discussion shows that there is a space for cultural depictions of some characters in works that are not directly about them (e.g. Julius Caesar in Asterix, Richard Lionheart in Robin Hood or Ivanhoe or D'Artagnan in The Three Musketeers). HOWEVER, the Cultural depictions category tree has grown out of proportion, including many references such as a mere shared name (such as boats named Julius Caesar) or appearance of a minor character, for which disambiguation pages and lists (or article sections) of cultural references would be more appropriate than categories. So there's probably a long and tedious work ahead to purge these categories and listify what can be, but in any case the huge and valuable amount of information that's been put into them should be kept. Anyway, the notable depictions alone justify keeping the categories. Place Clichy (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the reasons mentioned by several other editors: not all significant depictions of a person/thing occur in works about that topic; Asterix was the first thing that came to mind for me—albeit for Cleopatra, rather than Caesar—but of course many other examples come to mind, not to mention that the wording seems clumsy when it comes to say, paintings or especially sculptures. Michelangelo's David is a statue of David, not about David—although it may "say" things about David.  And I would say that if a warship is named after someone, that has enough significance to be mentioned somewhere, although some sailboat being named after the same person would usually not; but these would certainly not be "works about" the person, or to be honest even "cultural depictions".  I mention this because, besides "boats" having been mentioned above without distinction, the word purge which occurs several times in this discussion is usually invoked to justify deleting large sections of various articles mentioning the cultural influence of a subject—rather than merely editing such lists down to say, notable depictions rather than trivial mentions.  I suggest that thoughtful pruning and purging are two very different processes, and that if something along these lines is done, it should be the former, and not the latter.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I'm completely fine with Listify/Delete, for the reasons you mention, per point #2 at WP:CLN#Disadvantages of a category. - jc37 17:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And maybe that's the solution. Close this as kept/opposed and open a new discussion on listification/deletion... - jc37 17:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Deletion? Seriously? Why not just close Wikipedia down and call it a day. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:51, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think most of the participants favour deleting all of this material. At most, figuring out the best place or format for it, and pruning it to remove obviously non-notable entries.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not what I said. I didn't suggest "deleting all of this material." Please try reading what I said, again. - jc37 19:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jc37, by Listify/Delete do you mean "listify or delete", or "listify i.e. delete "?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1676840631219:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_11" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  21:03, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies. It's typically intended to mean Listify, then Delete. When meaning the reverse, I usually say "Delete, listify if wanted." Thank you for asking for the clarification, I'll try to be clearer in the future  : )  - jc37 03:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose I agree with Trekker. Cultural depictions is a far wider category than single works, and typically more useful in actually locating articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Museums in Jelgava
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Museums in Jelgava to Category:Buildings and structures in Jelgava
 * Nominator's rationale: merge and move Kurland Provincial Museum and Athenaeum to Category:Museums in Latvia, per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Culture in Latvia by location
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting culture in latvia by location
 * Nominator's rationale: emptied, redundant, unique category name per https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/60108 Estopedist1 (talk) 10:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, only the capital Riga needs its own Category:Culture in Riga. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:10, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: reverted my empting before the category will be deleted Estopedist1 (talk) 05:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — layers by city, with only 1 or 2 cities.


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Category:Television episodes about the Crusades
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Category:Quaker meeting houses
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Category:User krc-0
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting user krc-0
 * Nominator's rationale: Per longstanding convention we don't categorized people by the languages they don't speak. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, this does not contribute to editors' collaboration at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Climbing equipment companies
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 * The result of the discussion was: combine to Category:Climbing and mountaineering equipment companies. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Climbing equipment companies to Category:Mountaineering equipment manufacturers
 * Nominator's rationale: These are effectively the same, most mountaineering equipment companies (and manufacturers) also make climbing equipment and visa versa. The new target category should also, therefore, be renamed as "Climbing and mountaineering equipment companies". Aszx5000 (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Alt: disperse Category:Mountaineering equipment manufacturers to Category:Climbing equipment companies and other categories as appropriate. The mountaineering category contains a mix of climbing equipment, clothing and camping equipment manufacturers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Given we have two large "head" categories of "mountaineering" and "climbing", it is better not to choose one over the other (and for some people, climbing is rock climbing and not mountaineering). Also, would not disperse, as most of these companies have consolidated over time and do such a wide range of mountaineering, climbing, hill walking, camping, etc so dispersal would not be helpful.  For example, here is one of the biggest climbing and mountaineering magazines, Outside, calling Mammut Sports Group a "mountaineering and climbing company". We have them in Category:Climbing equipment companies and in Category:Mountaineering equipment manufacturers.  We should merge and rename "Climbing and mountaineering equipment companies", like the magazine. Aszx5000 (talk) 09:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I notice that we previously merged Category:Climbing and mountaineering-related lists, which also made sense. Aszx5000 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering equipment companies &mdash; The Anome (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering equipment companies. Category:Mountaineering equipment is a subcategory of Category:Climbing equipment. Nearly WP:OVERLAP content. But as long as we have Category:Mountaineering, best to keep both words in the merged category name.


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Category:Climbing magazines
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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Climbing magazines to Category:Mountaineering magazines
 * Nominator's rationale: These are effectively the same, most mountaineering magazines (and journals) cover climbing and visa versa. The new target category should also, therefore, be renamed as "Climbing and mountaineering magazines and journals". Aszx5000 (talk) 00:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge, the magazines in Category:Mountaineering magazines are mostly very clearly about climbing. There is no need for a catch-all "mountaineering" term in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't do this as some historically only focused on mountaineering, and as we have the major head category of Mountaineering, so readers will search for them from that. Also, some of these are not "magazines" but "journals", with large advisory boards, issues and volumes, etc. Given there is not a large amount, merging them all into "Climbing and mountaineering magazines and journals" would make it easier for readers to find them without missing any due to what are now semantic definitions. Aszx5000 (talk) 09:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * We can still keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I notice that we previously merged Category:Climbing and mountaineering-related lists, which also made sense. Aszx5000 (talk)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename to Category:Climbing and mountaineering magazines and journals &mdash; The Anome (talk) 17:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * withdrawn Merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering journals and magazines, matching Category:Entomology journals and magazines.
 * Reverse merge per Marcocapelle (or keep). There is no hierarchy (or ). We have , , but not . Quote: "The Himalayan Journal is the annual magazine of the Himalayan Club in India." Oculi (talk) 22:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per Marcocapelle. Alpine Journal is the oldest mountaineering journal in the world. Yet it also uses the word "magazine" for itself, so there's no need to mention journals until we have a more robust evidence of academic journals.


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