Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 2



Category:Museums in Auburn, Alabama

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Museums in Auburn, Alabama to Category:Buildings and structures in Auburn, Alabama
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only one entry and is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 23:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. This will empty the other parent Category:Museums in Lee County, Alabama. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:North Carolina Tar Heels women's basketball head coaches

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting north carolina tar heels women's basketball head coaches
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category that does not fit the standard naming convention seen in every other category in Category:College sports coaches in the United States; see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 22 Joeykai (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, the articles are already in Category:North Carolina Tar Heels women's basketball coaches. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Evangel Christian Academy players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Evangel Christian Academy alumni. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting evangel christian academy players
 * Nominator's rationale: This appears to be the only Category on Wikipedia for student-athletes at a specific high school. All of the pages in this category should just be moved to Category:Evangel Christian Academy alumni. Even if we were to start making categories for high school student-athletes by school (which we obviously shouldn't), this isn't formatted correctly. It should follow the format in Category:College athletes in the United States by team, which is Category:[School] [Mascot] athletes. So it would be Evangel Christian Eagles athletes, not "Evangel Christian Academy players." Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete  merge, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Evangel Christian Academy alumni. Deleting will remove the articles from the category entirely.--User:Namiba 04:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Evangel Christian Academy alumni.


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Category:Conventions in Houston

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Conventions in Houston to Category:Events in Houston
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Manually merge Anime Matsuri into Category:Conventions in Texas as well. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as there is a "realistic potential for growth" and thus SMALLCAT does not apply.--User:Namiba 04:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment – There has been 3 conventions in the past 100 years. Are we really going to keep this category because another page might get created in 30 years? Sure there's potential for growth, but it's not realistic in the next few years. Seems foolish to allow this to be an example of "realistic potential for growth". –Aidan721 (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I just added 4 from . Houston is one of the largest cities in the entire country, which is why it had a very realistic potential for growth.--User:Namiba 03:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. 3 conventions in 100 years isn't realistic potential for growth.  Kbdank71 18:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as it currently has 7 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Namiba. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Conventions in Charleston, South Carolina

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Conventions in Charleston, South Carolina to Category:Events in Charleston, South Carolina
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Dual merge not needed as both pages are in Category:Political conventions in South Carolina. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Adult film

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting adult film
 * Nominator's rationale: New nonsensical category including disparate things such as sex comedies, "adult animated films", and Adult Swim. —Alalch E. 14:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Most films are aimed principally at adults, meaning that in the broadest possible sense this would be a massively unmaintainable category inclusive of the vast majority of all films that exist at all — but that's not what people actually mean when they single out "adult" as a film "genre", and instead that label is used as a euphemism for the much narrower set of films about sex. But since we already have things like, and  to cover that off non-euphemistically, this is entirely unnecessary. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, recreation of a previously deleted category, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_August_10. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I disagree that adult (or any other demographic target) is either a genre or a euphemism for pornography. E.g. adult animated films can be of any genre (e.g. sci-fi, western, crime, romantic comedy etc.) and still be defined by targeting an adult audience rather than the childhood/youth audience steterotypically associated with animation. Waltz with Bashir is an example out of many of such a film, defined as a '2008 Israeli adult animated war documentary drama film'. This was discussed several times with unclear or varied outcome such as this or this. I clearly believe that there is a space for categorization of entertainment by target demographic audience, as there are for instance longstanding Category:Magazines by interest for media targeting men, women, old, young, teens, children etc. or Category:Novels by age-group. I do agree, however, that not all media or films need to be placed in a demographic-based category and that should be reserved to articles for which this notion is defining. Place Clichy (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Waltz with Bashir is in Category:French adult animated films, this category is not part of the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The nomination, if successful, would remove the bridge between Category:Adult animated films and Category:Adult entertainment by medium (and, more widely, Category:Entertainment by demographic). I don't think that makes sense. Place Clichy (talk) 12:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not think so. Category:Adult animation remains part of Category:Adult entertainment by medium regardless the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Bearcat. "Adult films" is generally understood to mean pornography and sex.  Even the article Adult films is just a redirect to Pornographic film Kbdank71 18:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — WP:G4.


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Category:Adult comedy films

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge & delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Adult comedy films to Category:Sex comedy films
 * Propose deleting Category:Adult comedy
 * Nominator's rationale: This category only applies to certain Tamil and Telugu sex comedies. Such films from outside these cinematographies are not described as "adult comedy flms". It's also a euphemism. —Alalch E. 14:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Most films are aimed principally at adults, meaning that in the broadest sense this would be a massively unmaintainable category inclusive of a sizable majority of all comedy films that exist at all — but that's not what people actually mean when they single out "adult" as a film "genre", and instead that label is used as a euphemism for the much narrower set of films about sex, and in that more restrictive sense this just duplicates unnecessarily. However, as almost all of the films that have actually been filed here are Indian films, they should go into the subcategory for  rather than the international parent — and while a random spotcheck did turn up at least one film that was a US-UK-France copro rather than an Indian film, it similarly should be (and already is) subcatted as an American, British and French sex comedy film. So I'd recommend a cautious manual upmerge here: it should simply be removed from any film that's already in an "[Appropriate country] sex comedy films" category, and replaced with "[Appropriate country] sex comedy films" in any film that isn't. Bearcat (talk) 16:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: Added Category:Adult comedy which will be emptied after Adult comedy films is merged. It is also a euphemistic category. —Alalch E. 23:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and bearcat. As my comment in the above nomination points out, Adult films redirects to Pornographic film. Kbdank71 18:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If merged, it should definitely be a manual merge, diffusing among the subcategories by country (per nom). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Manual Merge and delete


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 * Post-closure comment: the articles appeared to be already in Category:Indian sex comedy films, insofar applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Historic places in New Zealand
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 11%23Historic places in New Zealand

Category:NZHPT historic areas register

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to "Heritage New Zealand". (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:NZHPT historic areas register to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D match parent Category:Heritage New Zealand, remove register, do not add "list" which has a specific meaning in categories.


 * Category:NZHPT historic areas register to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas register – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. Heritage New Zealand no longer uses the term register, and now uses the term list, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand historic area listings. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Bay of Plenty Region to Category:Historic areas in the Bay of Plenty Region
 * Propose renaming Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Canterbury Region to Category:Historic areas in the Canterbury Region
 * Propose renaming Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Wellington Region to Category:Historic areas in the Wellington Region
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATNAME: Do not write the category structure in names. While WP:SMALLCAT (1, 1, 2 respectively), these are able to grow.


 * Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Wellington Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas register in the Wellington Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. This category is for historic areas on the Heritage New Zealand list for the particular region, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas in the Wellington Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Canterbury Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas register in the Canterbury Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. This category is for historic areas on the Heritage New Zealand list for the particular region, and the parent categories use Canterbury, New Zealand, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New historic areas in Canterbury, New Zealand. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Bay of Plenty Region to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas register in the Bay of Plenty Region – C2D. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed. This category is for historic areas on the Heritage New Zealand list for the particular region, so the category name should become Category:Heritage New historic areas in the Bay of Plenty Region. Paora (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * See also:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 25
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support renaming per nom. Paora (talk) 05:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge. While these categories are currently sparsely populated, the Heritage New Zealand list of historic areas currently includes 130 historic areas, so there is plenty of scope for these regional categories (and the missing regional categories) to grow. Instead, the various categories Category:NZHPT historic areas register in the Foo Region should be moved to Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas in the Foo Region. Paora (talk) 05:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. As noted for the other nomination on this page, WP:CATNAME: Do not write the category structure in names. So these would begin with "Historic areas". Fixed.
 * Oppose changed proposal without Heritage New Zealand in the category names. IMHO, this is a misinterpretation of WP:CATNAME. Without the "Heritage New Zealand" prefix, the scope of the category has suddenly become much wider, as it would include any areas considered historic by anybody, not just those designated by Heritage New Zealand, which is the intended scope. Paora (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but that's not our standard. We won't make fine distinctions between a parent and some other organization that designates historic areas. Categories are for navigation, not attribute tags. William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is our standard. WP:CATNAME is clear: Choose category names that can stand alone, independent of the way a category is connected to other categories. If we do as you suggest, then the sub-category will be broader than the parent category, so the categorisation becomes a nonsense. It should not be necessary to have to refer to the parent category to understand the scope of a given category, and the criterion that I have quoted above makes this clear. You have referred to the criterion Do not write the category structure in names, but if you continue reading you will see the example given is quite different from the situation here. Paora (talk) 09:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Subcategories with multiple parents will always be broader than only one parent. If and only if there are other local schemes for categorization, we'll be keeping them in the same category. The name should be as inclusive as possible. This is not an extended attribute tagging system from social media. This is for navigation.


 * Oppose removing "Heritage New Zealand" from the name, per Paora. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose removing "Heritage New Zealand" per above. The proposed Category:Heritage New Zealand historic areas in the Foo Region seems good. —Alalch E. 17:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Manuscripts written in undeciphered writing systems
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Category:DTV America

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:DTV America to Category:Innovate Corp.
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * a bit more explanation about why it is redundant would be useful. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A lot of articles are listed in both categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, DTV America is a brand of Innovate Corp, so any article that is in Category:DTV America may be removed from Category:Innovate Corp.. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge as nominated. It seems that almost all 171 articles are already in the parent. Innovate Corp. is in both, and is main article for the parent. So don't remove common articles from the parent. This is easy post merger cleanup.


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