Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11



Category:Arena football venues

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arena football venues
 * Propose deleting defunct arena football venues
 * Nominator's rationale: The articles in these categories are not solely or even primarily used for arena football. To my knowledge, there are no purpose-built arena football arenas anywhere where the game is played. As such, WP:OCVENUE applies and this is a non-defining characteristic for the arena. User:Namiba 19:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support
 * Support If venues specifically for arena football are ever built though, happy to revisit. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


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People of Al-Andalus
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Category:Surnames of Australian origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting surnames of australian origin
 * Propose deleting surnames of new zealand origin
 * Nominator's rationale: As with "Surnames of French-Canadian origin" below, these two categories are problematic for the same reason: they aren't "surnames that originated in Australia or New Zealand", they're "surnames that some individual people who were born in Australia or New Zealand might have". (And yes, same creator too.) These would seem to be more defensible on the surface, because there might genuinely be some surnames of genuinely indigenous Australian or Maori origin, but that's not what's actually here: everything that's actually in these categories is either an English or German colonial import, or a Tongan name carried by some Tongan expatriates in Australia or New Zealand, and not even one name in either category is actually indigenous to either Australia or New Zealand. So I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with more knowledge about Indigenous Down Under culture than I have can actually purge the bullshit and repopulate them with genuinely appropriate entries, but again, what we're looking for in this tree is the etymological origin of the name as a word, not the physical birthplaces of individual people who might happen to have the name. Bearcat (talk) 15:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, or else purge to Category:Indigenous Australian surnames. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — should be per language.
 * Ultimately Delete -- but better still purge of European surnames and then merge to Oceanian origin surnames. I did not check them all, but found Tongan and Samoan; also a surname from another island group.  What I did not see was Maori or Indigenous Australian, but perhaps they already have their own categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There is Category:Māori-language surnames but I do not see an Indigenous Australian equivalent. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support deletion. I have removed the Tongan names already. Also, what about Category:Surnames of Cook Islands origin? It now only has two entries, both disambiguation pages, not articles. Nurg (talk) 00:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support deletion It would appropriate to differentiate Category:Surnames of Aboriginal Australian origin and Category:Surnames of Torres Strait Islander origin. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Surnames of French-Canadian origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting surnames of french-canadian origin
 * Propose deleting surnames of canadian origin
 * Nominator's rationale: Recently created category of dubious value. It was created by an editor who seems to deeply misunderstand what the phrase "Surnames of X origin" means: every single surname filed here is one that was carried over from continental France in the colonial days and not even one is a natively québécois invention, meaning that the creator wasn't interpreting it as "etymological origin of the name as a word", but as "birthplace of individual people who might happen to have this name". Additionally, the creator was blocked, a couple of weeks after creating this, for violating a topic ban on surname-related edits -- and reading up on the ban at Special:Permalink/1121681977, it seems that at least part of the problem did involve categories like this, which categorized surnames as "originating" anywhere they can be found at all instead of just for where the surname actually came from. So while this can't be speedied since the editblock didn't happen until after this was created, it certainly isn't of any keep-worthy value. And as for the Canadian parent, it will just be left completely empty if the French Canadian one is deleted, because it's already been purged of obvious misfiles like "Breitkreuz", "Pronger", "Legge", "Peel", "Stadelbauer" and "Smith", that had obviously been placed in it based on the same misinterpretation. Bearcat (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — yet another misapplication of birthplace and heritage categories, contrary to decades of guidelines.
 * Support in principle, but I think Category:Surnames of French-Canadian origin can be merged to Category:French-language surnames. Categorizing surnames by language makes more sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree that surnames by language makes more sense. When I checked various examples, they were already in Category:French-language surnames. Who will do the merger checking?
 * You are right, the articles are already in Category:French-language surnames so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I would have said merge, but that appears unnecessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support deletion Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground

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 * The result of the discussion was: upnerge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerge sofia metro stations located above ground to Category:Sofia Metro stations
 * Propose upmerge sofia metro stations located underground to Category:Sofia Metro stations
 * Propose deleting stockholm metro stations located above ground
 * Propose deleting stockholm metro stations located underground
 * Propose upmerge sydney metro stations located above ground to Category:Sydney Metro stations
 * Propose upmerge sydney metro stations located underground to Category:Sydney Metro stations
 * Nominator's rationale: Very recently created category that does not meet WP:CATDEFINING. While stations can generally be said to be above or below ground, they are not commonly and consistently referred to as such. AFAICT, these were all recently created by a single editor without discussion.


 * Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground is a misnomer. If above ground, then not underground. Apparently, some languages call all rapid transit systems an "underground", a poor mistranslation of "subway".


 * Category:Underground rapid transit stations located underground is unsurprisingly redundant.


 * Delete where already categorized by line. Upmerge where the stations are not already in another subcategory.


 * See recent:


 * 1) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 2
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In any case, parents Category:Underground rapid transit stations located above ground and Category:Underground rapid transit stations located underground should be renamed to Category:Rapid transit stations located above ground and Category:Rapid transit stations located underground. Adding "Underground" before "rapid" is very confusing, especially in this context. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Patience. The first nomination was 1 place. Now, I've nominated 3 places. Once we have consensus, we'll get to the damned parents. Large nominations have been proven over and over to be a bad idea.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The London system is universally known as "the Underground", because all lines pass through central London in tunnels, but most lines emerge on to the surface in the suburbs where they operate much like any other railway, passing over roads in bridges. Historically they were distinct from other railways as they were operated by London Transport, rather than British Railways.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * London does not appear to be in Sofia, Stockholm, nor Sydney.


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Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
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Category:Files with restricted public domain status
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Category:PD Canada
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