Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 15



Category:Byproducts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Byproducts to Category:By-products
 * Nominator's rationale: To the extent that there is any need for this cat, it should be spelled with the hyphen, which is by far the more common spelling.

See this Ngram search, or do Google searches on the two spellings. Eric talk 22:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't argue with the conclusion, but Ngram viewer doesn't work well with hyphenated words, and the results it is giving aren't correct. Ike9898 (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I ran into that issue at first, but ended up learning a new Ngram trick when a sort-of error page came up that prompted me to wrap the term in parentheses (as opposed to quotation marks) to have the term be treated as a "composition". Eric talk 02:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Another discussion demonstrated that Google has changed the syntax. The current proper technique is square brackets, with spaces or pluses around the hyphens. Related corpus shows "by-product" is primarily British, but American does in fact diverge.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As creator of the category, support. The category is useful; by-products have a distinct set of characteristics and issues. Ike9898 (talk) 23:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — WP:C2D


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Category:British expatriates in Guernsey

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting british expatriates in guernsey
 * Nominator's rationale: Having checked Crown Dependencies, seems this is invalid, UK citizens and Crown dependency citizens can move freely Crowsus (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It is also at odds with the fact that Category:Guernsey expatriates is a subcategory of Category:British expatriates. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Ludum Dare video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify and delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ludum Dare video games to Category:Video games that originated from Ludum Dare
 * Nominator's rationale: The current title is a bit misleading, as almost none of those games have their current versions as part of Ludum Dare or are primarily notable for being on it. Rather, they merely originated from it at some point in their early history. Zerbu  Talk 09:11, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify and Delete — cumbersome name, and we don't usually categorize by event or venue. Better an annotated referenced list in the Ludum Dare article.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Listify and delete per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Buildings and structures in Alpine, Utah

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Alpine, Utah to Category:Buildings and structures in Utah County, Utah and Category:Alpine, Utah
 * Nominator's rationale: Small city (~10,000) with just 3 pages. Upmerge as above. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Marwanid dynasty

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Marwanid dynasty to Category:Kurdish dynasties, Category:Sunni dynasties and Category:Medieval Upper Mesopotamia
 * Propose deleting Category:People under the Marwanid dynasty
 * Propose deleting Category:Scholars under the Marwanid dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, only two articles in three categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: The state lasted around 100 years, and the categories mentioned are quite recent (< 3 months). Al-Andalusi (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — Scholars should be empty, as the sole article lived his entire life in Baghdad (not part of the Marwanid dynasty). We don't categorize based upon where his ancestor emigrated from, centuries before the existence of this dynasty.


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Category:Education in World War II

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Education in World War II to Category:1940s in education
 * Nominator's rationale: soft merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. By all means re-establish the category when more content about this topic is available. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Bduke (talk) 02:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Education by sector

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Education by sector to Category:Education
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Bduke (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Asian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting asian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting asian sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting asian sportspeople of chinese descent
 * Propose deleting middle eastern sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting filipino sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting filipino sportspeople of east asian descent
 * Propose deleting indonesian sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting japanese sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting japanese sportspeople of east asian descent
 * Propose deleting turkish sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting turkish sportspeople of east asian descent
 * Propose deleting russian sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting russian sportspeople of central asian descent
 * Propose deleting russian sportspeople of southwest asian descent
 * Propose deleting russian sportspeople of caucasus descent
 * Propose deleting asian sportspeople of european descent
 * Propose deleting russian sportspeople of european descent
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.


 * Summary: Convoluted tree, entangled with others, very few articles. Redundantly, Asians are of Asian descent. Surprisingly, Chinese are sometimes Asian or East Asian. There's no rhyme nor reason for this tree.


 * Same progenitor as:


 * 1) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3
 * 2) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11
 * 3) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12
 * 4) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12
 * 5) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13
 * 6) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14
 * 7) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14
 * 8) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14


 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete with all other categories nominated before. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like categorization by “race.” —Michael Z. 17:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Scholars from the Ottoman Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Scholars from the Ottoman Empire to Category:People from the Ottoman Empire by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — another in a long chain of prior decisions.


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1789 United States presidential election

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:1789 United States presidential election to Category:1788–1789 United States presidential election
 * Category:1789 United States presidential election by state to Category:1788–1789 United States presidential election by state
 * Category:Candidates in the 1789 United States presidential election to Category:Candidates in the 1788–1789 United States presidential election
 * Nominator's rationale: procedural nomination, an earlier speedy rename request was declined. The main article was only recently moved and without discussion, and therefore C2D doesn’t apply. If the discussion here does not lead to renaming the category then the article move should be reverted. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging contributors to earlier speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — verified this election did indeed (barely) start in 1788. Match House and Senate elections for consistency.


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Category:States by power status

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:33, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:States by power status to Category:Countries by status
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, with many of these statuses it is arguable whether it concerns power status. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — about half are power, the rest are merely definitions and history. Helps remove the country/state distinction. as these are all under Category:Countries.


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Category:Wikipedia Trading card game members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia trading card game members
 * Nominator's rationale: This may have served a purpose when it was created in 2009, but since Trading card game has been inactive since circa 2011 it is now pointless. What's happening there is random fooling around that is close to the antithesis of what user categories should be for. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. VegaDark (talk) 04:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This short-term WikiProject was a good-faith attempt to create a piece of merchandise for revenue and publicity at a time when both were in shorter supply than now.  Theoretically, the participants might collaborate again in future but we, Wikipedia and the world of games have changed over the past 14 years. Certes (talk) 13:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by state and city

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by state and city to Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by state and populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Alabama by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Alabama by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Alaska by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Alaska by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Arizona by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Arizona by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Arkansas by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Arkansas by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in California by city to Category:Buildings and structures in California by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Colorado by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Colorado by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Connecticut by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Connecticut by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Delaware by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Delaware by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Florida by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Florida by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Georgia (U.S. state) by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Georgia (U.S. state) by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Hawaii by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Hawaii by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Idaho by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Idaho by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Illinois by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Illinois by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Indiana by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Indiana by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Iowa by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Iowa by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Kansas by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Kansas by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Kentucky by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Kentucky by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Louisiana by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Louisiana by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Maine by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Maine by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Maryland by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Maryland by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Michigan by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Michigan by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Minnesota by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Minnesota by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Mississippi by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Mississippi by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Missouri by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Missouri by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Montana by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Montana by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Nebraska by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Nebraska by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Nevada by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Nevada by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in New Hampshire by city to Category:Buildings and structures in New Hampshire by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in New Jersey by city to Category:Buildings and structures in New Jersey by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in New Mexico by city to Category:Buildings and structures in New Mexico by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in New York (state) by city to Category:Buildings and structures in New York (state) by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in North Carolina by city to Category:Buildings and structures in North Carolina by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in North Dakota by city to Category:Buildings and structures in North Dakota by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Ohio by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Ohio by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Oklahoma by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Oklahoma by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Oregon by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Oregon by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Pennsylvania by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Pennsylvania by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Rhode Island by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Rhode Island by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in South Carolina by city to Category:Buildings and structures in South Carolina by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in South Dakota by city to Category:Buildings and structures in South Dakota by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Tennessee by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Tennessee by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Texas by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Texas by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Utah by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Utah by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Vermont by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Vermont by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Virginia by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Virginia by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Washington (state) by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Washington (state) by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in West Virginia by city to Category:Buildings and structures in West Virginia by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Wisconsin by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Wyoming by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Wyoming by city to Category:Buildings and structures in Wyoming by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Connecticut by community to Category:Buildings and structures in Connecticut by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by town to Category:Buildings and structures in Massachusetts by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in New Hampshire by community to Category:Buildings and structures in New Hampshire by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Rhode Island by community to Category:Buildings and structures in Rhode Island by populated place
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Vermont by town to Category:Buildings and structures in Vermont by populated place
 * Relevant history:
 * Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by city was renamed to Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by settlement in January 2010.
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 31
 * Category:Settlements was renamed to Category:Populated places (which in turn renamed the category above as well) in April 2010.
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 17
 * Nominator's rationale: It only makes sense to replace city with populated place as "city" is not representative of the categories within. And it's counterintuitive to make an additional tree for towns/townships as well since it would worsen navigation. This also allows for existing split trees to be merged into a common branch to improve navigation. Lastly, it aligns the cats with the parent Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by populated place. –Aidan721 (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — community consistency. (Pining for the days there were many eyes on categories.)
 * Comment – Isn't there a concern that users would assume "populated place" to mean any populated place, e.g. counties, provinces, states, etc.? DB 1729 talk 18:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We have the formal definition of a populated place from USGS: Cities, towns and other entities with human habitation are classified as populated places in the context of the BGN and GNIS. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


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