Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 22



Category:Izyaslavichi family (Polotsk)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Izyaslavichi family (Polotsk) to Category:Iziaslavichi family (Polotsk)
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the eponymous subject’s article Iziaslav of Polotsk. Compare sibling categories in Category:Rurikids and Category:Kievan Rus' royalty. —Michael Z. 22:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation looks unnecessary on the surface, but there is a more prominent branch under Iziaslav I of Kyiv, which would be the primary subject for this title. Although the other article and category do not exist, the name is used in this form, for example in the big table in Grand Prince of Kiev (I have no idea whether it’s standard nomenclature or only happens to be used in Wikipedia). —Michael Z. 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support WP:C2D


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Category:Superpowers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Purged and re-parented during discussion, made into proper set category. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Superpowers to Category:Superpower
 * Nominator's rationale: There have only ever been 4 worldwide superpower nations, and only 1 hyperpower nation, so delete WP:SMALLCAT . Lately, it has been filled with historical great and regional powers. After renaming, many should be split to Category:Great power or Category:Regional power.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This category originated as superhuman superpowers. However, it was taken over without discussion. It has become an uncoordinated mess of barely related articles that frequently should be in more specific categories.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:41, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed, marked as alternative. Delete was my initial thought, but was willing to entertain some repurposing.
 * I was focusing too much on the subcategories alone. At second thought I am counting some 10 articles that truly are about the topic "superpower". So purge rather than delete. Possibly rename to Category:Superpower (singular). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I purged the category. For the remaining 10 articles, maybe a better option is to merge (with redirect) to Category:Hegemony, since that is more clearly a topic category. What do you think? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. After your purge, all the articles are Category:Superpower singular. I've removed Delete as a proposal. Comparing with Category:Hegemony, this would benefit from comparable parents. Looking into it.
 * OK, let,'s then keep it at Category:Superpower. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Aha, you have recategorized under Category:Hegemony. Hopefully that will keep the category better targeted.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  22:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Hegemony and replace with a disambiguation to Category:Hegemony and Category:Fictional superhuman features or abilities. MClay1 (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I hadn't yet thought of superpowers in the meaning of "Fictional superhuman features or abilities", that is an interesting addition to the discussion. do you agree this a convincing argument for merging to Category:Hegemony after all and converting Superpowers to a dab page? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I'd mentioned in the nomination, this category originated as superhuman superpowers. (You and I both try to investigate the history of categories we discuss. Many thanks.) Do not merge to Category:Hegemony. There is already a Superpower (disambiguation) page, but a sovereign state able to project its power globally is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose changing to singular. Categories are about a collection of items and should be plural.  I would oppose merger to hegemony as that is a narrower concept than the role of modern superpowers.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Acting Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Acting Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan to Category:Caretaker Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan
 * Nominator's rationale: Same Ainty Painty (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan. Even though a person is in an acting or caretaken role, they will have much of the power of the permanently appointed one.  This will also simplify succession boxes where an "as" field can be used to show status.  Much the same can also be done in list articles.  Note both the present subjects fail SMALLCAT.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both to Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan


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Category:Alumni by high school in Allentown, Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Alumni by high school in Allentown, Pennsylvania to Category:Alumni by high school in the Lehigh Valley and Category:People from Allentown, Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only 3 other categories and is unlikely to significantly grow in the near future. User:Namiba 15:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - it's not WP:SMALLCAT since the category contains over 40 members, ie articles (in 3 subcats). (A subcat is not a 'member' of a category; this could be made clearer.) Oculi (talk) 16:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Reasonable I started the category. My thinking at the time was that it belonged as a sub-category of Category:Allentown, Pennsylvania, which I do still believe. The nominator above is correct, however, that it is a small category and not likely to grow. It's merger is reasonable because it would categorize it with other regional schools. The idea of doing this even crossed my mind prior to this nomination. I see the basis for doing it and the argument for not doing it is only that the category's affiliation with Allentown also made and makes some sense. It looks this proposal would meet both objectives, however. Keystone18 (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- The individual categories are legitimate, but with only 3 or them SMALLCAT suggests merger. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Operas based on the Jason-Medea myth

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Operas based on the Jason-Medea myth to Category:Operas based on Medea (Euripides play)
 * Nominator's rationale: "The Jason-Medea myth" is an unclear descriptor and doesn't appear to be in common usage even in scholarly sources. Most of the operas are based on Medea (play)‎, which would fit into the existing category Category:Works based on Medea (Euripides play). The others can be moved to Category:Works about the Argonauts. MClay1 (talk) 14:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Films based on the Jason-Medea myth
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Category:Houses associated with George Frideric Handel

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William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting/merging Category:Houses associated with George Frideric Handel to Category:George Frideric Handel
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (2), with no possibility of expansion. Both are currently in parent, so deleting will work as well.


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional gas giants

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional gas giants to Category:Fictional giant planets
 * Nominator's rationale: The distinction between a gas giant and a more general giant planet is too small to be relevant to fiction. A gas giant is a giant planet which is mostly hydrogen. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 12:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to avoid re-creation and help in case editors try to re-use the name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge with redirect — likely reused by editors.


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Category:Women's Olympic soccer players of the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Women's Olympic soccer players of the United States to Category:Olympic soccer players of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:28, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. and  which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.


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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Great Britain
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Olympic women's footballers of Great Britain to Category:Olympic footballers of Great Britain
 * Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. and  which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.


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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Germany
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Olympic women's footballers of Germany to Category:Olympic footballers of Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. and  which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.


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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Denmark
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Olympic women's footballers of Denmark to Category:Olympic footballers of Denmark
 * Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). I created the Denmark group yesterday before I looked at it fully. PS, apologies for adding these 5 separately, I tried to do as a bundle but couldn't work out how to use the Twinkle template in that way. Please re-format if easier. Crowsus (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. and  which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.


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Category:Women's Olympic footballers of France
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Women's Olympic footballers of France to Category:Olympic footballers of France
 * Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). Crowsus (talk) 12:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The men's and women's tournaments are completely separate competitions. Separate competitions should have separate categories. That is why there are different categories for men and women footballers. Plus they are subcategories of there respective categories connected to their national teams. Djln (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Once the men's national team players are categorised as such (i.e within Fooian soccer players/footballers, alongside Fooian women's internationals rather than one being a subset of the other), the Olympic players can go in the internationals tree too without gender having to be involved. By the way, categories have been created for the USA's bronze, silver and gold medallists in soccer, which are mixed even though the participants have been split! I have no strong opinion on whether those specific medallist ones should be there (only that nation has a full set of medallists by sport, e.g at Category:Olympic silver medalists, other nations have a few random intersections like Croatia's water polo medallists and China's 2016 medallists). This means the likes of Hamm and Lilly have 6 categories for the Olympics (1996/2000/2004 footballer, US women's soccer player, US soccer gold medalist and US soccer silver medalist, we could at least reduce that by 1 if the medalists were subcats of a mixed player set). Crowsus (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - I am unsure why the nominator has chosen to start five separate discussions; either have one and bundle them all, or have one alone as a test case. However, if we do not categorise other Olympic athletes by gender (see e.g. and  which contain both men and women), I don't see why we should for football. GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations.


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Category:Television episodes set in space
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Television episodes set in space to Category:Television episodes set in outer space
 * Nominator's rationale: To parallel the name of parent Category:Fiction about outer space. Trivialist (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, straightforward case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2C


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Category:Space in amusement parks
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Space in amusement parks to Category:Outer space in amusement parks
 * Nominator's rationale: To better align with name of parent Category:Fiction about outer space, and to clarify what sort of "space" is being referred to. Trivialist (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, straightforward case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2C


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Category:Coching Chu
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting coching chu
 * Propose deleting memorials to coching chu
 * Nominator's rationale: 2 articles - not quite WP:C2E. Oculi (talk) 04:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both — added orphaned subcategory that should have been tagged.


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Category:California Golden Bears women's basketball head coaches
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting california golden bears women's basketball head coaches
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category that does not fit the standard naming convention seen in every other category in Category:College sports coaches in the United States Joeykai (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it merged somewhere? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * all articles are already listed in Category:California Golden Bears women's basketball coaches Joeykai (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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