Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 27



Empty Niue categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting transport infrastructure in niue
 * Propose deleting infrastructure in niue
 * Nominator's rationale: the only content here is (1 page). These empty intermediate categories bring little value. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Similar categories have been upmerged/deleted in the past, e.g. for the Cook Islands. Place Clichy (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment So for this and the below proposed deletions, we should really be discussing whether the category Category:Transport buildings and structures in the Caribbean by dependent territory and related categories should continue to be decimated or whether it should be kept well populated for our readers' navigation purposes. Whether we care as much for small countries as we do for large ones. Hmains (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not a matter of "caring", it is a matter of being able to navigate more quickly through the trees of smaller countries without missing any content. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and past precedent. Kbdank71 18:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Empty French Polynesia categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting transport infrastructure in french polynesia
 * Nominator's rationale: the only content here is (1 page). These empty intermediate categories bring little value. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Similar categories have been upmerged/deleted in the past, e.g. for New Caledonia. Place Clichy (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment So for this and the surrounding proposed deletions, we should really be discussing whether the category Category:Transport buildings and structures in the Caribbean by dependent territory and related categories should continue to be decimated or whether it should be kept well populated for our readers' navigation purposes. Whether we care as much for small countries as we do for large ones. Hmains (talk) 00:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and past precedent. Kbdank71 18:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Empty Anguilla categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge per discussion. Kbdank71 02:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting transport infrastructure in anguilla
 * Propose deleting infrastructure in anguilla
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting towers in anguilla
 * Propose deleting landmarks in anguilla
 * Nominator's rationale: the only content in the first category is (1 "list" and 1 lighthouse) and  (1 "list" and 1 airport). These empty intermediate categories bring little value. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Similar categories have been upmerged/deleted in the past, e.g. for Saint Barthélemy. Place Clichy (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't understand if other Caribbean island nations are represented in parent categories like Category:Towers in North America, why delete Category:Towers in Anguilla? It seems like one or two islands are being singled out in these nominations while similar ones are ignored. I know OSE but with categories, we tend to have the same categories for all countries or all countries in a similar region unless there is a good reason not to have them. Liz Read! Talk! 22:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If lighthouses are a subset of towers, then will still be present in Category:Towers in North America through Category:Lighthouses in North America. I don't think it is mandatory to have an exhaustive list of all countries and dependent territories at the level of every by country or continent category, if there is no content at this level. Au contraire, I find that a lot of these empty shells (or strings thereof) make it cumbersome to navigate, both from the by country category or from the territory itself. BTW I of course don't have any objection to the later re-creation of the category if there is more content, i.e. if articles are written about more towers in Anguilla. Re: one or two islands are being singled out in these nominations while similar ones are ignored, sorry if I didn't manage to make all things perfect at once, knowing that Wikipedia is NOTCOMPULSORY. Actually the 5 groups of categories proposed for discussion here come after 15 others previously discussed. Once you mention it, it's true that there are other empty shells in e.g. Category:Towers in North America or Category:Towers by country, such as Bermuda, Cayman Islands or the BVI, but I had seen other content when I was browsing  (such as ports and harbours, bridges, pipelines etc.) so they did not catch my eye at that time. Maybe later. After all, Anguilla is a 15,000-people British overseas territory on about the area of Manhattan, so there are a lot of topics for which there won't be a lot of content. Place Clichy (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment So for this and the surrounding proposed deletions, we should really be discussing whether the category Category:Transport buildings and structures in the Caribbean by dependent territory and related categories should continue to be decimated or whether it should be kept well populated for our readers' navigation purposes. Whether we care as much for small countries as we do for large ones. Hmains (talk) 00:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that our readers' navigation purposes are better served by making it easy to find actual content where it is, instead of hiding it behind a long Russian doll string of empty categories. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Place Clichy (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Empty Montserrat categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge per discussion. Kbdank71 03:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting transport infrastructure in montserrat
 * Propose deleting infrastructure in montserrat
 * Nominator's rationale: the only content here is (1 list and 2 articles). These empty intermediate categories bring little value. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Similar categories have been upmerged/deleted in the past, e.g. for Guadeloupe. Place Clichy (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment So for this and the surrounding proposed deletions, we should really be discussing whether the category Category:Transport buildings and structures in the Caribbean by dependent territory and related categories should continue to be decimated or whether it should be kept well populated for our readers' navigation purposes. Whether we care as much for small countries as we do for large ones. Hmains (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Empty Turks and Caicos categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge per discussion. Kbdank71 05:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting transport infrastructure in turks and caicos islands
 * Propose deleting infrastructure in the turks and caicos islands
 * Propose merging to
 * Propose deleting landmarks in the turks and caicos islands
 * Nominator's rationale: the only content here is and . These empty intermediate categories bring little value. Copy-pasting the category structure of large countries to small places with less content is not always a good idea. Similar categories have been upmerged/deleted in the past, e.g. for Curaçao. Place Clichy (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose  The content of is 1 list and 2 articles and the content of  is 1 list and 7 articles.  Just because other categories were deleted is no reason on its face to delete these categories.  There is inherent purpose and value in such categories and that is ease of navigation for the WP user.  Simply deleting things is not the answer.  The intermediate categories are not now empty and would only become empty if these two categories are first deleted. Hmains (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Category:Lighthouses in the Turks and Caicos Islands and Category:Airports in the Turks and Caicos Islands are not part of the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment So for this and the above proposed deletions, we should really be discussing whether the category Category:Transport buildings and structures in the Caribbean by dependent territory and related categories should continue to be decimated or whether it should be kept well populated for our readers' navigation purposes. Whether we care as much for small countries as we do for large ones. Hmains (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Wikipedians who served prison term

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who served prison term
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking any collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. VegaDark (talk) 05:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Creator may consider adding themselves to Category:Wikipedians interested in law or one of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — totally misses those of us who only served jail terms.
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 18:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Philippines national youth 3x3 basketball team players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 03:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting philippines national youth 3x3 basketball team players
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the only cat for youth national players for all of sports, not just 3x3 basketball, that I am aware of. I think this is a case of WP:NONDEF, as the subject's participation in these youth tournaments is usually overshadowed by the players' professional career, which is usually the case as most of the sources focus on the players' pro career, not youth career. Engr. Smitty   Werben 17:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Templates to be standardized/Ethnic group sidebar

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting templates to be standardized/ethnic group sidebar
 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category, no indication that anymore templates still need work. Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 00:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Templates to be standardized/Infobox music of

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting templates to be standardized/infobox music of
 * Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to be in use anymore. Seeing as the linked template isn't even an infobox. Gonnym (talk) 15:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Template:Infobox music of was moved 10 years ago to Template:Music of sidebar. The templates concerned have presumably all been standardized in Category:Music sidebar templates. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 00:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:FFA Cup of Nations

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:FFA Cup of Nations to Category:Cup of Nations (Australia)
 * Nominator's rationale: Following article name. That was recently moved without discussion and so the category is not eligible for Speedy renaming. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:00, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. GiantSnowman 11:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per main article change. Kbdank71 00:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


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Collage (American duo)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Collage (singer) albums to Category:Collage (American duo) albums
 * Propose renaming Category:Collage (singer) songs to Category:Collage (American duo) songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Following disambiguation to Collage (American duo). The page was moved without discussion and therefore these are not eligible for Speedy renaming. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, as the original nom for Speedy rename. The article that was originally at Collage (singer) was moved sometime in April 2021 to Collage (duo). It was moved further to Collage (American duo) upon acceptance of Collage (Taiwanese duo) just a week or so ago. "Collage (singer)" is at best a partial or ambigious qualifier, given that there are more than two performing groups and a DJ by the same name (as listed at Collage (disambiguation)), or at worse, an incorrect one. These categories did not follow the page moves, and renaming them will match the title where the corresponding article is at at the moment. – robertsky (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and robertsky. Kbdank71 18:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Culture of the Alps
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting culture of the alps
 * Propose deleting buddhism in the alps (a non-defining combination of two distinct characteristics if ever I saw one)
 * Propose deleting christianity in the alps
 * Propose deleting religion in the alps
 * Nominator's rationale: Is there such a thing? There are countries in and around the Alps, and these countries have culture of course, but is there anything which joins the culture of, say, Monaco and Slovenia and sets it apart from non-Alps countries? This nom is also for the three sub-categories of the "in the Alps" variety.
 * Fram (talk) 08:25, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are cultures that can be only founded in the Alpine region and this has been documented many times. Why can’t you just can remove the non-Alp countries from these categories instead. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Which type of e.g. Buddhism can only be found in the Alps? Fram (talk) 09:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, i.e. move Alpine cuisine and Pre-Christian Alpine traditions to Category:Alps, then delete the categories. None of the further content is about what mountainous areas across the Alps have in common with each other in contrast to the low lands of e.g. northern Switzerland or Carinthia. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: the category creator has been adding and removing lots of things from the nominated cats after they were nominated, but the result is that e.g. the library of Clermont-Ferrand is now part of the Culture of the Alps apparently, as Category:Culture of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes has "Alpes" in the name and so was added... Fram (talk) 09:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried to add categories that focuses on things that are located or related to the Alps. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. This comes from the same user which populated Arctic categories with Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan or Mongolia so I am not really surprised. Enthusiasm is good, but a little bit of restraint is good too sometimes. Articles specific to Alpine topics as a whole should of course be kept in Category:Alps, but articles and categories relative to individual geographies touching the Alps such as Bavaria, Provence and Piedmont don't need to be grouped together. Place Clichy (talk) 23:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment So, Category:Buddhism in the Alps and Category:Christianity in the Alps have now been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — already well served under.
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 01:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


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