Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 28



Category:Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Serbia files

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting creative commons attribution 3.0 serbia files
 * Nominator's rationale: Empty but more importantly, the parent category Category:Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 files does not have by-country or by-project subcategories. Pichpich (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 19:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Unclear if this is related to WP:WikiProject Serbia or a version of the CC license that is specific to Serbian law. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:14, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Festivals in Port Townsend, Washington

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Festivals in Port Townsend, Washington to Category:Port Townsend, Washington and Category:Festivals in the Puget Sound region Category:Puget Sound region festivals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. I've nominated Category:Puget Sound region festivals to be speedy renamed to Category:Festivals in the Puget Sound region. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — the speedy has taken place, so I've modified the nomination for the convenience of the closer.


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Category:Cultural depictions of Nikola Tesla

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cultural depictions of nikola tesla
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Lots of these items are included because of merely passing mentions of Nikola Tesla, and all of them are better represented in the article Nikola Tesla in popular culture. fuzzy510 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, there is already Category:Works about Nikola Tesla for articles that are truly about Nikola Tesla. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Festivals in Lubbock, Texas

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Festivals in Lubbock, Texas to Category:Events in Lubbock, Texas and Category:Festivals in Texas
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Undefined articles needing translation from German Wikipedia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting undefined articles needing translation from german wikipedia
 * Nominator's rationale: Not used. If topic is undefined, then the article could just be placed in the parent category. Numberguy6 (talk) 19:53, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The French equivalent may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kbdank71 19:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Festivals in Anacortes, Washington

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Festivals in Anacortes, Washington to Category:Anacortes, Washington and Category:Festivals in the Puget Sound region Category:Puget Sound region festivals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. I've nominated Category:Puget Sound region festivals to be speedy renamed to Category:Festivals in the Puget Sound region. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — the speedy has taken place, so I've modified the nomination for the convenience of the closer.


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Category:Conventions in Miami Beach, Florida

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Conventions in Miami Beach, Florida to Category:Events in Miami Beach, Florida
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. The lone page is already in so additional merging is not necessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Kbdank71 19:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment in India

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment in India to Category:Anti-Islam sentiment in India
 * Nominator's rationale: Established category naming convention. No difference in content between the two categories. Oddly enough, both categories were created the same day by different users. BirdCities (talk) 20:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Or reverse merge is also ok, per further discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Islam is a religion and Muslims are a community. Sentiment against one doesn't equate to sentiment against the other. Please consult WP:RS instead of making up your own opinions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not a matter of "my own opinion", it's the way this categorization is organized: Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment is a redirect to Category:Anti-Islam sentiment. The persecution of Muslims and criticisms of Islam are different things, but "anti-Muslim" and "anti-Islam" are treated as interchangeable to refer to the persecution of Muslims in categories and redirects (their own disambiguation page treats them as interchangeable). Furthermore, you are ignoring the main problem with the two categories: There is no actual difference in the actual content of the two categories. I don't see why Demolition of the Babri Masjid is labelled as "Anti-Muslim", whereas Haridwar hate speeches is labelled as "Anti-Islam". There are multiple sister political parties split between the two categories despite belonging to the same Hindu nationalist family of organizations. If anything, this current split is more confusing than not. BirdCities (talk) 05:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It wasn't always organised that way. Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment was made a redirect some time recently. A misguided decision in my opinion. Rather Category:Anti-Islam sentiment should have been made a redirect, just like Category:Anti-Christianity is a redirect. There are obviously Wikipdia's systemic biases at work and I don't have the energy or inclination to fight them all. But for most of South Asia pages, "Anti-Islam" doesn't make sense. Demolition of Babri Masjid, for instance, had to do with historical disputes regarding which community the localition originally belonged to it. It had nothing to do with the principles or practices of Islam. If you put Demolition of Babri Masjid in a category of "Anti-Islam", I will be forced to delete the category because there are no reliable sources that support such a claim. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I retained Haridwar hate speeches in the "Anti-Islam" category because the speeches were made by Hindu religious preachers, and it could be argued that they were prejudiced against the religion of Islam itself. But there is no fine distinction here. All these ridiculous niceties can be avoided if Category:Anti-Islam sentiment is made a redirect to Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment, which is logically the correct thing to do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I support having a single category, I don't care what title it's at. Conceptually one could argue for a fine distinction, but I see no such distinction in the sources, and in the vast majority of articles in which this is used the sources are going to use language that doesn't match these titles anyway (prejudice, hate, Islamophobia...) Vanamonde (Talk) 15:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There should be two categories, for the reasons that User:Kautilya3 mentioned above: anti-Islam would denote opposition to the religion itself, while anti-Muslim indicates opposition or discrimination to a group of people. These are conceptually different categories and unless one is being deliberately obtuse, it is not a 'fine' distinction. - 06:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naushervan (talk • contribs)
 * There is no way to oppress a religion without impacting the followers of that religion, so yes it is a fine distinction. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I used the term "fine distinction" in the context of the specific page, Haridwar hate speeches. In many other pages, the distinction is quite significant.
 * Most of the literature on "Anti-Islam" or "Islamophobia" is written by western authors in the western context. They are quite oblivious of the rest of the world, and especially South Asia. India has the second largest number of Muslims in the world and Islam has been in India from the time of Prophet Muhammad himself. So the issues there are quite different from those of the West. However, see this source which attempts to deal with the distinctions to some extent:
 * In any case, making Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment the primary category would solve the problem, as far as I can see. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In any case, making Category:Anti-Muslim sentiment the primary category would solve the problem, as far as I can see. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support. This is far too fine a distinction. "There is no way to oppress a religion without impacting the [community of] followers of that religion" is correct.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per SMcCandlish and V93. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Agreed these are fundamentally the same concept, and I doubt the creator of whichever was created last was aware of the others existence. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — WP:OVERLAPCAT I'm a long-time reader/supporter of Informed Comment, and have a passable understanding of the distinctions. Agree that anti-Islam or Islamophobia is against a misunderstanding of the religion, while anti-Muslim is against the body or personification. However, these are implied motivations of activities described in the articles, not the articles themselves. Categories are not for labelling fine distinctions. Combining to one category will assist navigation and editors.
 * Merge or reverse merge as overlapping categories with no clear difference. Note that there is also and . The problem may be at the higher level, maybe as the result of this poorly-attended CfD. In my opinion there should be only a category for negative discourse on religious grounds (which should be  and another category for hate & prejudice (which should probably be called Anti-Muslim sentiment) in the case of Haridwar hate speeches, that's clearly hate speech towards Muslims as a social group, not theological debate. The clerical role of people involved in hate speech and calls to violence does not change the nature of the speech. Place Clichy (talk) 11:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'd not found the separate . OTOH, I'm not convinced that Haridwar hate speeches are Anti-Muslim, but not Anti-Islam. They are not expressing support for the tenets of Islam, merely against their neighbors believing such things. They oppose a/all/any different religion in their community. The name of that religion in this instance is Islam (in English). We'll need to deal with later.


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Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american sportspeople of asian descent
 * Propose deleting american sportspeople of east asian descent
 * Propose deleting american sportspeople of south asian descent
 * Propose deleting american sportspeople of southeast asian descent
 * Propose deleting american sportspeople of southwest asian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Southwest Asian is already empty, and has been tagged WP:CSD.


 * See recent:


 * 1) Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The subcategories deeper down should be nominated too (for merger, probably), otherwise the nomination misses its point. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. We're still waiting on a decision about your mass nominations a month or so ago. I've checked the subcategories, they are already in other parents where they should be deleted or merged. I'm working on strategically pruning this useless part of the tree.
 * Let us wait until the older discussion is closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:American sportspeople of Southwest Asian descent was tagged as a regular CSD C1 since it was empty even though it seems to be included in this nomination (no CFD tag on the page). So, unless something changes, it looks like that category will be deleted before this discussion closes. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -- These are harmless containers and should have that label. I suspect that the SW Asian category is empty because the content has been moved to Middle Eastern.  This should perhaps become a cat-redirect.  We may need a Central Asian sibling for the ex-Soviet republics there.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep pending a larger nomination and discussion of the tree of Category:East Asian people etc. Simply deleting sportspeople doesn't make sense given that it is a logical derivative of much larger and broader categories.--User:Namiba 15:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This argument makes little sense, as this is indeed part of a larger group on nominations, linked below. This effort comprehensively covers the notability of continental/regional descent categories of sportspeople and their racial implications. BTW sportspeople is the only occupation for which such categories exist. It is therefore not pending anything, and keeping only these 5 categories would create a wart. Place Clichy (talk) 16:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Larger nomination has concluded delete:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 15 looks like categorization by “race.”
 * Also, related have all concluded delete:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  13:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. These are not harmless as these "regional" subcategories are also a proxy for race, and are understood that way. It is perfectly fine to place the eligible national subcategories of American sportspeople directly under . Place Clichy (talk) 15:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


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People of Al-Andalus
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all per discussion. Kbdank71 17:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming


 * Category:People of Al-Andalus to Category:People from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by century to Category:People from Al-Andalus by century
 * Category:8th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:8th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:8th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:8th-century bishops from Al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:9th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:9th-century bishops from Al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:9th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:9th-century Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:10th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:10th-century writers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:10th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century bishops from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century rabbis from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:11th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:11th-century writers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:11th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century bishops from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century rabbis from Al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:12th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:12th-century writers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:12th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:12th-century Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:12th-century rabbis from Al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:13th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:13th-century writers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:13th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:13th-century Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:13th-century rabbis from Al-Andalus
 * Category:14th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:14th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:14th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:14th-century historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:15th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:15th-century people from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by ethnicity to Category:People from Al-Andalus by ethnicity
 * Category:Arabs of Al-Andalus to Category:Arabs from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:Jews from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by occupation to Category:People from Al-Andalus by occupation
 * Category:Clergy of Al-Andalus to Category:Clergy from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Scholars of Al-Andalus to Category:Scholars from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus historians to Category:Historians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Maliki scholars of Al-Andalus to Category:Maliki scholars from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Philosophers of Al-Andalus to Category:Philosophers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Scientists of Al-Andalus to Category:Scientists from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus writers to Category:Writers from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Poets of Al-Andalus to Category:Poets from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Christians of Al-Andalus to Category:Christians from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus dynasties to Category:Dynasties from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus expatriates to Category:Expatriates from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus exiles to Category:Exiles from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Slaves of Al-Andalus to Category:Slaves from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Sufis of Al-Andalus to Category:Sufis from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Women of Al-Andalus to Category:Women from Al-Andalus
 * Category:Women poets of Al-Andalus to Category:Women poets from Al-Andalus


 * Category:People of Al-Andalus to Category:People from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by century to Category:People from al-Andalus by century
 * Category:8th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:8th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:8th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:8th-century bishops in al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:9th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:9th-century bishops in al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:9th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:9th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:9th-century Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:10th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:10th-century writers from al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:10th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century bishops in al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:10th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:10th-century rabbis in al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:11th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:11th-century writers from al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:11th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century bishops in Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century bishops in al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:11th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:11th-century rabbis in al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:12th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:12th-century writers from al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:12th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:12th-century Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:12th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:12th-century rabbis in al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:13th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus writers to Category:13th-century writers from al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:13th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:13th-century Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:13th-century rabbis of Al-Andalus to Category:13th-century rabbis in al-Andalus
 * Category:14th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:14th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:14th-century Al-Andalus historians to Category:14th-century historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:15th-century Al-Andalus people to Category:15th-century people from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by ethnicity to Category:People from al-Andalus by ethnicity
 * Category:Arabs of Al-Andalus to Category:Arabs from al-Andalus
 * Category:Jews of Al-Andalus to Category:Jews from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus people by occupation to Category:People from al-Andalus by occupation
 * Category:Clergy of Al-Andalus to Category:Clergy in al-Andalus
 * Category:Scholars of Al-Andalus to Category:Scholars from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus historians to Category:Historians from al-Andalus
 * Category:Maliki scholars of Al-Andalus to Category:Maliki scholars from al-Andalus
 * Category:Philosophers of Al-Andalus to Category:Philosophers from al-Andalus
 * Category:Scientists of Al-Andalus to Category:Scientists from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus writers to Category:Writers from al-Andalus
 * Category:Poets of Al-Andalus to Category:Poets from al-Andalus
 * Category:Christians of Al-Andalus to Category:Christians from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus dynasties to Category:Dynasties in al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus expatriates to Category:Expatriates from al-Andalus
 * Category:Al-Andalus exiles to Category:Exiles from al-Andalus
 * Category:Slaves of Al-Andalus to Category:Slaves from al-Andalus
 * Category:Sufis of Al-Andalus to Category:Sufis from al-Andalus
 * Category:Women of Al-Andalus to Category:Women from al-Andalus
 * Category:Women poets of Al-Andalus to Category:Women poets from al-Andalus
 * Category:Andalusi-Jewish culture to Category:Jewish culture of al-Andalus
 * Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency. The category tree currently contains four different formats: Al-Andalus fooers and fooers of, from and in Al-Andalus. "From" (with the exception of rulers and military personnel) is the default for the Russian Empire, Ottoman Empire and for caliphates. "Of" is sometimes ambiguous, e.g. are historians of Al-Andalus living in Al-Andalus or is Al-Andalus their topic of interest? "Al-Andalus fooers" failed earlier in this discussion. "In" only occurs very rarely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging participants in previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support "from" works best for multi-ethnic empires. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. The al- should be lower case per WP:MOSAR. I am slightly unsure about "of" vs "from" in all cases. I think "from" can also be ambiguous. For example, is a slave brought to al-Andalus a "slave from al-Andalus"? Srnec (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Caveat: I agree that the bishops categories should remain as is. Srnec (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — to match previous decisions. Don't see any decision about Al-Andalus specific capitalization, this matches the others. If enslaved there, "from" there. (Marcocapelle must have a marvelous script for mass nominations, this would have taken me half a day.)
 * A trick is to copy an unfolded category tree to Excel. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  13:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for all the bishops categories. The standard format for bishops categories is "Nth- Century bishops in (Location)". No opinion on other categories. Referencer12 (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Selectively keep -- Those categories already using "of" should be kept; and it should be dynasties of Al-A. On the other hand "from" is much better for exiles and expatriates.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for bishops categories per Referencer12. Furius (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose, Propose selectively keeping some as are and changing others to "Andalusian fooers," based on how other categories in other groups are worded (eg, RC bishops in, Andalusian rabbis, etc.) Rational: Consistency should be kept across those other groups not al-Andalus.Referencer12 (talk) 06:39, 1February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a misunderstanding, it is not about Andalusia (adjective Andalusian) but about Al-Andalus (adjective, if any, Al-Andalus). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand we're discussing x, not Andalusia. Then, Propose 'Andalusi' See Andalusi Classical Music & Andalusi Literature. This should still be done selectively, following conventions of other category groups eg Bishops, Rabbis, Historians, etc. Referencer12 (talk) 14:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a good idea. Those are currently redlinks.
 * is music outside al-Andalus, that originated in the music of al-Andalus, spread by people fleeing the Reconquista.
 * was moved 5 months ago to.
 * is a redirect to, a disambiguation page for surnames.
 * is a redirect to.
 * andalusi-jewish culture is the only current category example. It should be renamed to Category:Jewish culture of al-Andalus. It also needs to be purged of later than period articles, and other places such as Iraq. This category illustrates the confusion of "Andalusi" and "Andalusian".
 * As noted in the nomination, a prefix demonym has already been rejected.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note multiple oppose !votes by this user.
 * Oops! Sincerest apologies! 1st time partaking in one of these discussions. Wasn't meaning to make it look like more users were opposing. Referencer12 (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Summary: previous responses have been qualified as follows:
 * The suffix should be "al-Andalus", matching articles, such as List of Umayyad governors of al-Andalus, Literature of al-Andalus, and Sufism in al-Andalus.
 * Bishops should be "in al-Andalus".
 * Rabbis should be "in al-Andalus" to match other decisions.
 * Dynasties should be "of al-Andalus" to match similar categories.
 * do you agree to these modifications?
 * I am not opposing any of the modifications. I guess many more categories need renaming when we change the suffix. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I've clarified that current proposal for the closer. Also, "Clergy in", just like bishops and rabbis.
 * Great, thanks for taking the Clergy/Bishops/Rabbi issues into account & for working on making Wikipedia better! Referencer12 (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Nigerian mythology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nigerian mythology
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, as becomes clear from the articles, (West) African mythology is not limited to the state borders of Nigeria. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Japanese tribes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting japanese tribes
 * Propose selectively merging bemin added February 5
 * Nominator's rationale:  delete selectively merge, incoherent content, in part overlapping with Category:Tribes of ancient Japan and Category:Japanese clans. A speedy move request was declined. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:Japanese tribes to Category:Bemin – refers to a specific institution which was badly translated. Also confused easily with Category:Tribes of ancient Japan Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 16:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Speedy as not eligible. There is a draft Draft:Bemin but no article Bemin, so this is not eligible for Speedy processing under C2D, and none of the other above criteria apply. This would therefore need a full CFD discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Category:Tribes of ancient Japan and Category:Japanese clans per WP:OVERLAPCAT — there aren't very many, so I'll volunteer.
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Manual merge per William Allen Simpson. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, @Fayenatic london, @William Allen Simpson, the category appears to be empty.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1675590300356:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_28" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  09:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Immanuelle has created Category:Bemin and moved the articles to the replacement category. I have added the new category to the nomination with the same rationale plus WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Immanuelle has also created a lead article Bemin, but this does not mention the other articles Imbe clan / Ōiryō / Saeki people / Soga clan, and only Shinabe clans mentions Bemin, so the categorisation is unreferenced. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:57, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a mistake in most of the categorizations based on a confusing structure on Japanese wikipedia. The category is not needed on English wikipedia and imo should be deleted on Arabic and Japanese wikipedias. It does not seem that many if any non-Shinabe groups are independently notable. I found a reference for Saeki people but even they are only notable for their existence before their subjugation as Bemin. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 23:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have tagged the empty Arabic category for deletion. The Japanese ja:category:部民 is beyond my capability to deal with, but should the English translation be left as Bemin on its Wikidata item, or can you suggest something better? Google Translate & Chrome variously suggest tribes, members, citizens. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am unfamiliar with any english translation other than Bemin. Google translate has various suggestions, but none of them seem to adequately translate it. Japanese wiki corpus calls it Bemin https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/history/Bemin%20System%20(the%20system%20of%20Yamato%20sovereignty).html as does this website https://glosbe.com/ja/en/%E9%83%A8%E6%B0%91 Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 18:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment As stated, this category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Both can now also be deleted per WP:G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians interested in legal doctrines and principles
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in law. Kbdank71 05:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedians interested in legal doctrines and principles to Category:Wikipedians interested in law
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, this apparently is a too narrow topic of interest. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Not particularly distinguishable from each other. VegaDark (talk) 02:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as a duplicate category. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


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