Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 4



Category:2022 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 01:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:2022 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election to Category:2022 Conservative Party (UK) leadership elections
 * Nominator's rationale: there was more than one election. 1857a (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Initially I was going to say, shouldn't it be split, but that would leave very tiny categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support
 * Support, as it contains two plural elections. Don't see a point in splitting given how close they are. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish American sportspeople
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12%23Category:Jewish American sportspeople

Category:Albanian male cyclists born in 1995

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 01:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1892
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1965
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1969
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1988
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1989
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1990
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1991
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1994
 * Propose deleting albanian male cyclists born in 1995
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessarily specific category, that is not at all the standard on here. Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial intersection between year of birth and occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have taken the liberty to merge these nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all — with thanks.
 * Delete all, not the way birth year categories are handled throughout the project. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:IRL streamers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 01:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting irl streamers
 * Nominator's rationale: This category seems to be redundant or unnecessary. Any article of a real person in Category:Live streamers or a subcategory like Category:YouTube streamers is, by definition, an "IRL streamer." Unless there are more notable fictional characters who livestream than notable real persons, I see no value in distinguishing any articles this way. inclusivedisjunction (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, probably a duplicate of Category:Live streamers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sam Rivers albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename C2D Timrollpickering (talk) 18:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sam Rivers albums to Category:Sam Rivers (jazz musician) albums
 * Nominator's rationale: The current category points to a disambiguation page.
 * Helen Puffer Thwait (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Female YouTubers

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete all Timrollpickering (talk) 01:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting female youtubers
 * Propose deleting american female youtubers
 * Propose deleting british female youtubers
 * Propose deleting english female youtubers
 * Propose deleting canadian female youtubers
 * Propose deleting french female youtubers
 * Propose deleting italian female youtubers
 * Propose deleting japanese female youtubers
 * Propose deleting russian female youtubers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the discussion that ruled to delete Category:Male YouTubers, its female equivalent should be deleted as well. Male is not the default describes this—it reads, avoid labelling a woman as a female author or female politician, unless her gender is explicitly relevant to the article. In April 2013 several media stories noted that editors on the English Wikipedia had begun moving women from Category:American novelists to Category:American women novelists, while leaving men in the main category. Linguists call this markedness. Treating a man who is a writer as a "writer" and a woman as a "woman writer" presents women as "marked", or the Other, requiring an adjective to differentiate them from the male default. Media outlets like The New York Times and The Guardian have picked up on this, and it has been the subject of controversy. For this reason, I believe that we should delete all "female YouTubers" categories—


 * (I don't know how to do a nomination of multiple at once, so I just listed them all; feel free to properly reformat the nomination and remove the prose list). DecafPotato (talk) 03:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * While I am not opposing this particular nomination, it is important to note that Male is not the default is just an essay, while WP:CATGENDER is part of a guideline, and they may well contradict each other in some cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that it's policy/guidelines (sorry if it came off that way), I'm just using it to give a more detailed version of my rationale because it's a similar perspective, and to also show that this is a thing I'm not just making up. DecafPotato (talk) 17:07, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - my recollection is that a gendered subcat was OK as long as it is non-diffusing, which this is. Oculi (talk) 00:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It is ok when gender has a specific relation to the topic (WP:CATGENDER), which is probably not the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — and I've tagged the subcategories.
 * Delete - we should either have categories for every gender of YouTuber we have articles about or we should have no gendered categories for YouTubers. I don't have a preference which, but given that the categories for male youtubers were deleted for being a "trivial intersection between occupation and gender" then the categories for female youtubers (and any categories for youtubers of other genders we have, I haven't looked) should be deleted for the same reason. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I still stand my point that content creators should be categorized by gender, and that the deletion of the male categories was wrong. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 12:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete For consistency. One should not be kept while the other deleted. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 04:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, as consistent with the very recent male discussion. Either both should be kept or neither, it is inconsistent to just have the female ones. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


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