Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 6



Category:Felid-human interaction

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 00:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Felid-human interaction to Category:Felids and humans
 * Nominator's rationale: Felid-human interaction is a synonym of Felids and humans and doesn't need to be a subcategory IMHO jengod (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, I can't tell the difference between the two categories either. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Felines and humans

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Felines and humans to Category:Felids and humans
 * Nominator's rationale: Felids seems to be the more populated category jengod (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, the articles about lions do not belong here, lions are not felines, they are felids though. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:34, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support but it will probably be desirable to define felid in the headnote as animals belonging to the cat family felidae. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Superpowers
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Category:Murder victims by country
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 14%23Category:Murder victims by country

Category:Muslim scholars

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Muslim scholars to Category:Muslim writers
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Support -- The effect of this will be that "Muslim scholars of Islam" will be directly under "Muslim writers". This is a necessary result of having moved those engaged in Muslim studies as an academic discipline undertaken by outsiders having been moved into a different branch of the tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Historians of the Ottoman Empire

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose dispersing Category:Historians of the Ottoman Empire to century subcats of Category:Historians from the Ottoman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: disperse, this is a third and confusing category between Category:Historians from the Ottoman Empire and Category:Scholars of Ottoman history. The articles belong in the tree of the former. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — confusing to editors.


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Category:Arab historians of Islam

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Arab historians of Islam to Category:Historians of Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: manually merge, trivial intersection between ethnicity and occupation. Note that the far amount of articles is already in Category:Historians of the medieval Islamic world, a subcategory of the target, so these articles can just be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


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20th-century sportsmen

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * History: Category:20th-century sportsmen and Category:21st-century sportsmen were deleted after the following discussions:
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_12


 * Current status
 * The parent Category:20th-century men is now full of sports subcategories. To a lesser extent this applies to Category:21st-century men too. I cannot imagine that this was the intent of the discussions above. But nevertheless technically it is correct that they are there, given the circumstance that Category:20th-century sportsmen no longer exists.


 * Alternate proposals
 * Option A: propose restoring Category:20th-century sportsmen and Category:21st-century sportsmen as a container category, and put all specific sports team/event categories in there.
 * Or option B: propose deleting Category:20th-century men and Category:21st-century men so that all specific sports team/event categories will be gone from the tree as well. In this case, Category:20th-century men by nationality and Category:20th-century men by occupation should be interlinked by a "see also" note on the category page, and likewise for the 21st century. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Query - what is the objection to putting Category:1954 FIFA World Cup players say (a perfectly reasonable category) under Category:20th-century sportsmen (as a container)? I am not at all in favour of Category:20th-century men by nationality without the implied Category:20th-century men. Oculi (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The objection is that there was consensus twice that the category should be deleted. How much weight this has is up for discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to the 2018 discussion, asking for more input. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Categorizing people by cross-sections of century, sport, gender, and country is a bad way to go. It's too complicated, and not a notable intersection. There is no significant difference between sportspeople of 1999 and of 2001, and too many who were both. Let's not return to this bad system. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to the restoration of the categories (i.e., Option A), especially if they were were container-only. It seems logical given the uncontroversial existence of . These would presumably be the child categories of rather than the more general ? Grutness...  wha?   11:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Option A The deletion was poorly thought out, and created categorization problems. Dimadick (talk) 08:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  07:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Option NC — no consensus to change. Agree with, categorizing people by cross-sections of century, sport, gender, and country is bad. Remove all those competition and venue subcategories. They belong under "by occupation", and rather far down that rathole. This will all fall apart with transgender or female FIFA players. Kill everything under Category:Sportspeople by century as well (now have 19th and 18th), otherwise we'll have 1st-century eventually.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment -- The rationale of the 2010 discussion was that it was in essence a current/past split. That was relevant in 2010, but most sporting careers only last a decade or so, so that there may be a case for allowing the split now, but "20th-century sportsmen" should only be a container.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Writers who committed suicide by nationality

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William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 18:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting austrian writers who committed suicide
 * Propose deleting hungarian writers who committed suicide
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT individual categories that accidentally escaped Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28. Apparently, edits swapping their categories happened during the purge.


 * Support, trivial intersection between occupation and cause of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sportspeople from Newburyport, Massachusetts
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