Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 8



Deaf people categories

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Deaf people from Afghanistan to Category:Afghan deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Afghan people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Australia to Category:Australian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Australian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Austria to Category:Austrian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Austrian people with disabilities


 * Category:Deaf people from Belarus to Category:Belarusian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Belarusian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Belgium to Category:Belgian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Belgian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Brazil to Category:Brazilian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Brazilian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Bulgaria to Category:Bulgarian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Bulgarian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Canada to Category:Canadian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Canadian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from China to Category:Chinese deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Chinese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Croatia to Category:Croatian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Croatian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Cuba to Category:Cuban deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Cuban people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Denmark to Category:Danish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Danish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from England to Category:English deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:English people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Estonia to Category:Estonian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Estonian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Finland to Category:Finnish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Finnish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from France to Category:French deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:French people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Germany to Category:German deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:German people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Greece to Category:Greek deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Greek people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Hungary to Category:Hungarian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Hungarian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Iceland to Category:Icelandic deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Icelandic people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from India to Category:Indian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Indian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Indonesia to Category:Indonesian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Indonesian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Iran to Category:Iranian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Iranian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Ireland to Category:Irish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Irish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Israel to Category:Israeli deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Israeli people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Italy to Category:Italian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Italian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Japan to Category:Japanese deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Japanese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Kenya to Category:Kenyan deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Kenyan people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Lebanon to Category:Lebanese deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Lebanese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Lithuania to Category:Lithuanian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Lithuanian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Namibia to Category:Namibian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Namibian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from New Zealand to Category:New Zealand deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:New Zealand people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Nigeria to Category:Nigerian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Nigerian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Norway to Category:Norwegian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Norwegian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Peru to Category:Peruvian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Peruvian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Poland to Category:Polish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Polish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Portugal to Category:Portuguese deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Portuguese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Romania to Category:Romanian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Romanian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Russia to Category:Russian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Russian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Scotland to Category:Scottish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Scottish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Singapore to Category:Singaporean deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Singaporean people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Slovenia to Category:Slovenian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Slovenian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from South Africa to Category:South African deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:South African people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from South Korea to Category:South Korean deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:South Korean people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Spain to Category:Spanish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Spanish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Sri Lanka to Category:Sri Lankan deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Sri Lankan people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Sweden to Category:Swedish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Swedish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Taiwan to Category:Taiwanese deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Taiwanese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Turkey to Category:Turkish deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Turkish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Ukrainian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Uruguay to Category:Uruguayan deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Uruguayan people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Venezuela to Category:Venezuelan deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Venezuelan people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from Wales to Category:Welsh deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Welsh people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from the Czech Republic to Category:Czech deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Czech people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from the Netherlands to Category:Dutch deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:Dutch people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from the United Kingdom to Category:British deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:British people with disabilities
 * Category:Deaf people from the United States to Category:American deaf people – C2C: per parent Category:American people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Australia to Category:Australian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Australian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Austria to Category:Austrian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Austrian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Canada to Category:Canadian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Canadian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from France to Category:French deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:French people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from India to Category:Indian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Indian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Ireland to Category:Irish deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Irish people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Japan to Category:Japanese deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Japanese people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Norway to Category:Norwegian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Norwegian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Romania to Category:Romanian deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Romanian people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from Singapore to Category:Singaporean deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Singaporean people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from South Africa to Category:South African deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:South African people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from the Netherlands to Category:Dutch deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Dutch people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from the Soviet Union to Category:Soviet deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:Soviet people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from the United Kingdom to Category:British deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:British people with disabilities
 * Category:Deafblind people from the United States to Category:American deafblind people – C2C: per parent Category:American people with disabilities


 * Rationale: opposed speedy on the grounds that 'Deaf' (uppercase) might be preferable (see eg Deaf culture). I have no views on deaf/Deaf but am opposed to the present name. Oculi (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose So I personally don't have a problem with these renamings or the use of identity first language, but I suspect that others from the disability community might have some concerns with some of these renamings. Mason (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Clarification, I think that this should have a full discussion rather than a speedy for all the disability related categories Mason (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of disability related categories use the adjective already: see eg Category:American people with disabilities. These are nationality categories, nothing to do with language. Oculi (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Some of these renames alter the capitalization of d/Deaf, which some members in the d/Deaf community might find problematic. I still oppose the speediness of these disability related renames. Mason (talk) 02:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "deaf" is already the default, e.g. Category:Male deaf actors and Category:Fictional deaf characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Or Category:Lists of deaf people where 'deaf' occurs throughout. Can you at least withdraw your oppose to Category:People with disabilities from the Solomon Islands, for which you have given no rationale whatever? And what is the objection to the 'blind' renames? Oculi (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to withdraw my concerns related to the non-d/Deaf renames. I'm merely requesting that the d/Deaf renames be moved to a full discussion. I understand that the naming convention isn't fully consistent, @Marcocapelle, but this is an area of debate that I think that WP:DEAF would probably be interested in discussing. Mason (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems reasonable: Deaf culture refers to the issue. Oculi (talk) 16:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct. I think it's also worth noting that the default naming style in seems to be "Deaf people from" if you look at the parent category "Category:Deaf_people_by_nationality". I think that the current naming style allows folks to sidestep the little d vs big D question. Mason (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I shall move this to cfd shortly. Oculi (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - as nom. No objection to 'Deaf'. I have notified WP:DEAF. Oculi (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as nominated. After having read Deaf culture I do not think that capitals are applicable here. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support consistency with parent.


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Category:Protests against the islamic religious police

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Protests against the islamic religious police to Category:Protests in Iran
 * Nominator's rationale: Possibly WP:SMALLCAT, just one article currently. Brandmeistertalk  12:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support but just delete, the single subcategory is already under Category:2021–2022 Iranian protests. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Rage against the veil protests deaths of women

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Iranian protests against compulsory hijab. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rage against the veil protests deaths of women to Category:Deaths in a protest against hijab
 * Nominator's rationale: Weird name apparently reflecting deaths related to wearing compusory hijab. Other suggested name is possible. Brandmeistertalk  12:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to the category discussed below. So far there are two articles about individual deaths, a separate category is too premature for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support that as well. Brandmeistertalk  12:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Iranian protests against compulsory hijab.


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Category:Rage against the veil protests

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Iranian protests against compulsory hijab. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rage against the veil protests to Category:Protests against hijab
 * Nominator's rationale: Weird name apparently reflecting protests against compulsory hijab or possibly other Islamic dress. The subcategory is also up to renaming. Brandmeistertalk  11:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Iranian protests against compulsory hijab per article title Iranian protests against compulsory hijab. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Iranian protests against compulsory hijab.


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Category:American gay actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural keep (abandoned by nominator). Nominator never tagged category. Nominator has withdrawn (below). (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American gay actors into Category:American LGBT actors
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories such as Category:American gay actors, Category:American lesbian actresses, Category:American bisexual actors are completely unnecessary and redundant. LGBT people by occupation from any country in the world should not be segregated by individual sexuality. For example, many pages in the Category:American bisexual actors still also have the Category:American LGBT actors included in the category section and there cannot be both. The obvious solution is to remove one of them. Another example is, some categories like Category:French gay actors and Category:French lesbian actresses only had at least one or two pages in them and also included Category:French LGBT actors in the page. Again, we can’t have both. I created Category:Gay film actors, Category:Gay television actors, Category:Gay stage actors, etc as a subcategory to the Category:Gay actors page. I apologise if my edits came across as disruptive but Category:Gay actors by nationality and Category:Lesbian actresses by nationality should not be there for all the reasons I’ve listed above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanni 0331 (talk • contribs)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This requires a batch nomination. Just merging Category:American gay actors and leaving the rest untouched is not helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also the category page has not been tagged for CfD. See WP:CFD for instructions. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. With 1,184 articles across the target and its subcategories, a single merged category here would be too large, so requires subcategorization for size purposes — and, in fact, CFD already weighed in on this very category just over a year ago (Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 21) and landed at a keep. Nominator has also not made any serious case for why gay actors, lesbian actresses, etc., should not be subcategorized by nationality, yet somehow should be subcategorized by a television vs. film vs. stage distinction that has no relationship to sexual orientation or gender identity at all — the reasoning above boils down to "because I said so", not any actual reasons why a film/TV/stage distinction would be more meaningful and relevant than distinguishing by nationality in this context. And finally, duplicate "parent + subcategory" issues are resolved by removing the parent from the affected articles, not by completely erasing the entire existence of the subcategory — I just did an AWB run to fix the dupes, and found that to be a minor issue affecting just 32 articles total. But that's a small and insignificant percentage of 1,184, making that not a major problem — and spoiler alert, on at least two of those articles the nominator was the person who put the unnecessary duplicate category on the page, even though it was already appropriately subcategorized, in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 13:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Category:Gay actors can be subcatted by nationality and by some other property. It should be a double upmerge to a gay category as well: it is surprising that there is no 'by nationality' subcat scheme for . Oculi (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree that this should be a bundled nomination for all nationalities, not just American, but given that I belive this is the nominator's first proposal at CFD (and given how confusing the procedure of nominating multiple categories can seem), it is understandable why he would start with just one category. I think the big mistake is seeing Category:American gay actors as redundant to Category:American LGBT actors The LGBT categories are "parent" categories to the gay, lesbian, bisexual "child" categories and are on a different level of categorization so they are both necessary. Not only can we have both, we should have both. Lumping all sexualities into one big LGBT category for some occupational fields would lead to a very large category that would be too big to be very useful. The nominator doesn't explain their reasoning for wanting to do away with gay, lesbian, bisexual categories but it seems like an attempt to avoid labeling individuals according to their sexuality and an effort to just use the umbrella term of LGBT which is not specific. That seems a bit pointy to me and requires a fuller discussion here at CFD as this change would affect many other categories for other occupational fields, not just those for actors. Liz Read! Talk! 19:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Giovanni 0331's 2nd ever contribution to cfd was in fact the very competent bulk nom 2023 January 1#Category:LGBT people by nationality and occupation. Oculi (talk) 22:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * After reading this more clearly, I had decided to rescind my nomination to merge the categories. I’ve always been a firm believer in the saying "If you can’t beat em, join em." Also, the reasoning for opposing the nomination appeared to make more sense after reading it thoroughly. This is why I’ve created several more categories for musicians and writers. Giovanni 0331 (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose — nationality is a defining characteristic, "some other property" is WP:NONDEFINING.


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Category:Hardcore music genres

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  10:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hardcore music genres to Category:Hardcore techno genres
 * Nominator's rationale: The current name is ambiguous and could be perceived as a category combining hardcore techno and hardcore punk + other possible variants Solidest (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the confusion and why it should be renamed, but it should also follow its parent article, which doesn't use the natural disambiguation proposed. It's possible that Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) could be retitled as Hardcore techno or Hardcore house but it hasn't been and there was disagreement last time it was discussed (2012 in the talk page archives). My suggestion, until that resolves differently, would be to rename as Category:Hardcore electronic dance music genres, as unwieldly as that is, per the last bullet of Category names and since there isn't consensus for "Hardcore techno" as the natural disambiguation. czar  02:59, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Many articles in the category refer to the subject as a "style", so the natural category name would become Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) styles, C2D per main article and C2C per Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) albums. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Rename to Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) — match main article Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) and parent Category:Electronic dance music genres. No need for unusual styles suffix.
 * That actually means merging to the parent Category:Hardcore techno which admittedly should be renamed to Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre). I will post that on speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If there is no support for Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre) styles then WA Simpson's alternative of upmerging would be a second best option. In any case leaving as is is the least attractive option, something needs to be done here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I oppose "styles", as the term "style" is clearly defined only within classical music, while in terms of popular (= electronic) music it is used as an interchangeable term with genre everywhere, as well as on Wikipedia. But we use "genres" in categorization due to consistency. I also oppose merging it into Category:Hardcore techno (Category:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre)) as I see no point in removing a detailed category in which many articles are already in a better place than is proposed to be done. But I would support any of "Hardcore [ techno / (electronic dance music) / (EDM) ] genres" options. Solidest (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment — having been overtaken by events, I've modified from Rename to Merge above.


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Category:1866 in sports in Wisconsin

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1866 in sports in Wisconsin to Category:1866 in Wisconsin and Category:1866 in American sports
 * Propose deleting Category:1866 in American sports by state
 * Propose deleting Category:1860s in sports in Wisconsin
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in doesn't need to be under two layers of subcategories. Merge to  and . –Aidan721 (talk) 17:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is literally the thin end of a wedge, the start of Category:Sports in the United States by year and state. It could be kept under the exception to WP:SMALLCAT. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fayenatic london has a fair point that this is not a discussion about a single random category. There should be some strategic thought behind. A triple merge of all the 19th-century subcategories of Category:Sports in the United States by year and state, also to the not yet existing Category:19th century in sports in STATE is one strategy. Leaving it all alone is another one. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: While only a couple of categories in the 1860s (but not Category:1869 in sports in New Jersey are proposed; by the 1890s there are dozens of articles to be recategorised, I do not see the need for having a different structure for the 19th century, and losing the connection between Category:1866 in sports in Wisconsin and Category:1866 in Wisconsin. Keep as part of a series. Hugo999 (talk) 01:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — unnecessary triple intersection with no room for growth. Heck, could be the beginning of removal of the whole useless series divided by state, when there simply aren't that many states. There are even sparsely populated subcategories years in the future.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge this and the other 3 pre-1900 Wisconsin sports items into Category:19th-century in sports in Wisconsin and delete all annual and decade categories. We have single item categories for 1866 1879 and two later years.  If there are enough articles to populate more detailed categories, they can be re-created, but in this case there are not.  SMALLCAT applies.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: the 1867 categories were merged, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 30. See also Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 9. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sports venues in Bridgeport, Connecticut
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Category:People from Bruceville-Eddy, Texas

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bruceville-Eddy, Texas to Category:People from McLennan County, Texas
 * Nominator's rationale: One page. Merge to county-level. Source indicates he was from McLennan County part of town here. –Aidan721 (talk) 06:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge after listing (which I have done, at Bruceville-Eddy, Texas). – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:People from Ingleside, Texas

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people from ingleside, texas
 * Nominator's rationale: Lone article states that he coached in Ingleside, but has no claim that he is "from Ingleside, Texas" (in fact he was born elsewhere), therefore this category should be deleted. –Aidan721 (talk) 06:50, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:03, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, there is no confirmation that he really lived in Ingleside, and he worked there for a very short period anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete after listing (done) — WP:SMALLCAT. A cited reference says there's a street named after him in Ingleside, Texas, so I've added him as a Notable resident. He wasn't born here, and we don't categorize people by insignificant birthplace.


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Category:Cultural depictions of criminals

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cultural depictions of criminals to Category:Works about criminals
 * Nominator's rationale: Time to continue cleanup we did at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_August_11. Cultural depictions=depictions=works based on/about. If we go down the subcategory, we end up at Category:Cultural depictions of Adolf Hitler which has Category:Novels about Adolf Hitler‎, a part of Category:Works about Adolf Hitler. So this needs renaming/merging and we should also rename/merge all child categories, as this "cultural depictions of" tree just duplicates "works about" one. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per precedent, this is an unnecessary split in the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting templates that must be substituted
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Wikipedia substituted templates. I'd weakly support a redirect, but it doesn't seem particularly plausible. Clyde!Franklin! 00:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The member pages are all already in Category:Wikipedia substituted templates, so no merging is required. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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