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Categories for recipients of Polish civil awards with no main article

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. There is no objection that lists could be created if articles on the awards are created. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 08:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of decoration of Honor for activist of anti-communist opposition or repressed person for political reasons
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Badge of "Merit for Power Engineering"
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Badge of "Merit for Communications"
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipient of the Meritorious for National Culture honorary badge
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Medal of the Commission for National Education
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Medal "Pro Bono Poloniae"
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of Primus in Agendo
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:DNWAUC, WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
 * There's no requirement that all categories have a main article but, in these cases, it would really help to understand the importance of the awards and--for the last 2 of them--what they're for. The biography articles generally mention these awards in a list with other honours so they're not treated as defining regardless. I do suspect that all of these awards are notable enough for an article which will need a list of recipients. To make sure no work is lost, I copied all the current contents right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So why not Listify then? You've essentially already done that... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair question since I've effectivley created (rough) drafts. In order to satisfy WP:NLIST and move these to the mainspace, it's going to take someone with more topic area knowledge than me (and Polish language skills might also be helpful). - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Well if someone does want to make such lists, they can use your draft to start with. So I guess Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Grand Warrior

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 07:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Grand Warrior
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
 * We don't have a main article for the Order of the Grand Warrior but it's a Kenyan award for giving/risking your life to save another. The only article in this category is Salah Farah, who died fighting off a terrorist attack, and is definitely defined by that event but not the award. There wasn't a list (if you can call 1 article a "list") so I added his name to the Orders, decorations, and medals of Kenya article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per WP:SMALLCAT. I do think it's defining, but 1 item does not a category make. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Panamitsu (talk) 22:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Video games about birthdays
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Category:Larchmont Yacht Club

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and purge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Larchmont Yacht Club to Category:Sailing clubs in New York (state)
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for an organization and two people who were affiliated with it. This is not enough content to justify an eponymous category, so it's also a WP:SMALLCAT, and filing people in it violates WP:OCASSOC. The club itself should be added to, but the people obviously should not. Bearcat (talk) 12:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Selectively merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


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Medieval Iranian politicians
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:58, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:9th-century Iranian politicians to Category:9th-century Iranian people
 * Propose merging Category:10th-century Iranian politicians to Category:10th-century Iranian people
 * Propose merging Category:11th-century Iranian politicians to Category:11th-century Iranian people
 * Propose merging Category:12th-century Iranian politicians to Category:12th-century Iranian people
 * Propose merging Category:15th-century Iranian politicians to Category:15th-century Iranian people
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, these people weren't politicians but courtiers, bureaucrats and governors. Besides Iranian politics did not exist any earlier than in Safavid Iran starting in the 16th century. Before that, speakers of Iranian languages were serving miscellaneous Muslim dynasties without Iran existing as a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. They were all created by user:Rathfelder, known for speed rather than accuracy in his category creations. Oculi (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Question & comment If "Iranian" is anarchronistic for the time period, how about "Persian"? Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities certainly are in the Category:Politicians tree. Don't know about the other two, but they are certainly Category:Government occupations. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The main objection is about politicians, Persian does not solve that. Also, Iranian isn't anachronistic per se, but the state of Iran was lacking at the time. Persian does not solve that either. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for your answer! Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Things named after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
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Category:Public venues with a theatre organ
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Public venues with a theatre organ
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NONDEFINING
 * When people book venues for events, they look at a lot of possible amenities: on-site catering, pipe organ, wheelchair accessibility, valet parking, bridal/vip suites, sound systems, dance floors, stages, security, liquor license, adjacent hotel availability, etc. Wikipedia is not a directory to group event venues by each amenity and having an organ is not defining to these articles about historic theatres. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Panamitsu (talk) 22:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Monuments and memorials to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk outside Turkey
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Monuments and memorials to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 07:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Merging Category:Monuments and memorials to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk outside Turkey to Category:Monuments and memorials to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCMISC
 * This is a textbook case of a miscellaneous category. Don't know what else I can add. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The fact that this does not include the Atatürk Museum (Thessaloniki) is unforgivable. Place Clichy (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, not quite. Category:Monuments and memorials and Category:Museums are siblings within Category:Buildings and structures by type; one is not a child of the other. We may say history museums do have a function to preserve memory, but I wouldn't call it a "memorial" or "monument" by definition. E.g. an art museum doesn't really serve as a "memorial" of a person or (tragic) event. And while a monument or memorial dedicated to a person is generally meant to celebrate, heroise or even deify that person, museums tend to be more critical and balanced, presenting a wide range of stories from several angles and perspectives. Although you can certaintly build museums that essentially serve as propaganda to glorify a single person, which may or may not be the case for several Category:Atatürk museums, I don't think an Atatürk museum in Greece (of all places) will be completely pro-Atatürk. Note that Until the Istanbul pogrom of 1955, the street in front of the house was named "Kemal Ataturk".. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


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