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Category:Archaeological museums in England by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Archaeological museums in England and also merge the subcategories as proposed by Nederlandse Leeuw. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 03:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting archaeological museums in england by city
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 branch. Only topical (i.e. archeological) category in Category:Museums in England by city Estopedist1 (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment - it now has 3 subcats and there are 2 other topical categories in Category:Museums in England by city. It should in any case be an upmerge to . Oculi (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Oculi. Category:Archaeological museums in Cambridge  (created today at 17:42, 15 July 2023; 5 minutes after this category was nominated for deletion) is a SMALLCAT with 2 items, Category:Archaeological museums in York (also created today at 17:44, 15 July 2023 7 minutes after this category was nominated for deletion) also has only 4 items. I think we shouldn't be ad hoc creating SMALLCATs just to prevent an otherwise useless category from being deleted. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Archaeological museums in Cambridge to Category:Archaeological museums in England and Category:Museums in Cambridge and Category:History museums in Cambridgeshire
 * Merge Category:Archaeological museums in York to Category:Archaeological museums in England and Category:Museums in York and Category:History museums in North Yorkshire
 * Merge Category:Archaeological museums in North Yorkshire to Category:Archaeological museums in England and Category:History museums in North Yorkshire


 * I have added and tagged the relevant subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:39, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Deletion is too disruptive to multiple category trees. There are three subcategories which all interlink to other separate category trees.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is why the merge proposal of the subcategories contains multiple merge targets. That is standard procedure. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per Oculi / Upmerge per Nederlandse Leeuw — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic F.C.

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 03:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic F.C. to Category:Bonnyrigg Rose F.C.
 * Propose renaming Category:Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic F.C. managers to Category:Bonnyrigg Rose F.C. managers
 * Propose renaming Category:Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic F.C. players to Category:Bonnyrigg Rose F.C. players (currently a redirect)
 * Nominator's rationale: The club changed its name to Bonnyrigg Rose F.C. in 2022. Grutness... wha?   17:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:32, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per CFDS C2D, to match parent article name. GiantSnowman 16:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per above.4meter4 (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename all although they aren't WP:C2D eligible, as the article wasn't moved after an RM consensus, it's clearly the correct team name, and so categories should match. Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from Maxwell, California
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Maxwell, California to Category:People from Colusa County, California
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT (1 article). User:Namiba 16:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support. Doesn't seem to be any undercategorisation, either - Mr Abel is the only Maxwellian with an article. Grutness... wha?   17:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per above. And not only is Mr. Abel the only Maxwellian with an article, but it doesn't even appear he may be notable enough to have one, at least from my brief glance. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 06:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Unlikely to ever be a populated cat.4meter4 (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


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Arabs and Arab people
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Arab to Category:Arabs (ethnic group category, main article Arabs; but do the following first)
 * Propose renaming Category:Arabs to Category:Arab people (for biographies of individuals; move over redirect)
 * Propose renaming Category:Arabs by century to Category:Arab people by century (for individual Category:People by ethnicity and century)
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-century Arabs to Category:1st-century Arab people etc. (as a test case; will nominate all other Category:Arabs by century categories if we agree on this one)
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to – re-opened and still ongoing – Category:Arab CfD. Marcocapelle, Fayenatic london and I discovered that there were several issues with this category tree (see the Category:Arab CfD for details). Fayenatic convinced me that the proposed renamings above (plus some re-parentings and (better) category descriptionswhere needed) are the simplest way to solve these issues, while preserving the page histories and without having to recategorise / purge all the contents. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, this is the usual way we distinguish topic categories about ethnicity versus biographical categories by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per all above.4meter4 (talk) 18:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: This seems to be more popular than I expected. Following the nomination, Category:Ancient Arabs can be speedily renamed to Category:Ancient Arab people, and Category:Arabs from the Sasanian Empire to Category:Arab people from the Sasanian Empire, etc. I do not oppose, but would have suggested ALT-1: only rename Category:Arab to Category:Arabs (ethnic group) for clearer disambiguation, and leave all the 30+ biography categories at their current concise names using "Arabs". – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with all except Category:Arabs (ethnic group). We have Category:Slavs, not Category:Slavs (ethnic group) either. In fact, there are very few categories with "(ethnic group)" in their names (a few exceptions are Category:Aku (ethnic group) and Category:Fang (ethnic group)), and these all seem to be in order to differentiate singular and plural because they are the same (just like Cheyenne in your example). But Arab is always singular and Arabs is always plural, so there is no need "for clearer disambiguation". Fooians = ethnic group; Fooian people = individuals of that ethnic group. If singular and plural were the same, like Fooese, then adding (ethnic group) to the plural might make sense, but otherwise it is redundant. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with @FL but making the same objection as @NL ౪ Santa ౪  99°  12:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: this nomination has been notified to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Update The previous nomination to delete Category:Arab has been withdrawn (by me as nom); the CfD template has been updated to a CfR template and re-linked here, while participants in the old CfD have been invited to join this follow-up CfR. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:African American women educators
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:African American women educators to Category:African-American women educators
 * Nominator's rationale: C2C Category:African-American women and Category:African-American educators are both hyphenated Mason (talk) 13:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support: The hyphen is consistent across article and category naming conventions. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 06:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:CFDS.4meter4 (talk) 18:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2B, speedy. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Manuscripts by collection
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 23%23Category:Manuscripts by collection

Category:Wikipedia essays about controversial topics
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia essays about controversial topics
 * Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous, ill defined category that is not useful for navigation created by an editor who has since been indeffed for promoting racist pseudoscidence and race based sexualisation. As it stands this category contains a smattering of fairly random essays about women, racism and wikipedia's coverage of controversial topics. I see several problems here:

I therefore propose that this is deleted. 192.76.8.82 (talk) 10:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) The category is completely subjective. Why is Writing about women in this category? It's a completely reasonable piece of advice on how to apply the manual of style. Why is Gender bias and editing on Wikipedia here?
 * 2) The category is impossibly board. On this site everything from how articles should be capitalised to what style of quotation marks should be used to if IPs should be allowed to edit to how we format citations has been controversial at some point. Most essays are written to express an opinion, suggesting that some disagreement or opposing view should exist.
 * 3) The category is not a useful way to navigate. Someone reading about why Nazis should be banned is unlikely to find an essay on how to format articles about women to be a natural follow-up.
 * Delete, I can't imagine anyone would write an essay that would be entirely non-controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose / Keep This is part of the Wikipedia maintenance category tree per parent Category:Wikipedia controversial topics, with the main article List of controversial issues. There are objective criteria for membership of this list: Wikipedia articles deemed controversial because they are constantly re-edited in a circular manner, or are otherwise the focus of edit warring or article sanctions. If essays are written about how to approach any of the topics mentioned in the list, then it's perfectly legitimate to put them in Category:Wikipedia essays about controversial topics. (so @Marcocapelle: the point is not that the contents of the essay itself may be "controversial", but that the essay is about a topic/issue mentioned in the List of controversial issues.) The only difference I see is the words "topics" and "issues", but that's it. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: A rename to something like Category:Wikipedia essays about Wikipedia controversial issues/topics might clarify what is meant. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. Then, if kept, a description and a link to the list is certainly needed. But I am still not sure that it should be kept, since the list is very long. Another alternative is to reduce the scope to Category:Wikipedia essays about controversiality and purge some essays. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I strongly support such a description and link to List of controversial issues. On the other hand, I don't think "controversiality" will help clarifying the category's purpose. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I also don't see how the length of List of controversial issues should undermine the raison d'être of Category:Wikipedia essays about controversial topics. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The length of the list confirms nom's point about the subjectivity of the concept. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm maybe there is a point to that after all... I'm currently thinking this should be WP:TNT'd, see my comments below. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It was put there a couple of weeks ago by the editor who created it, it's not an established part of that tree and it should be removed as it does not belong there. Why would we put a category full of essays in a maintenance category? Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability does not include Category:Wikipedia essays about notability as a subcategory, because essays about notability are not themselves topics of unclear notability.
 * What would be the point in a category containing essays about topics deemed controversial? What would an essay on the 2003 invasion of Iraq have in common with an essay on the Last Supper of Jesus, and why would it be useful to put them in a category together? Furthermore why would those essays be written in the first place - essays generally do not get written about individual articles or topics.
 * This also clearly was not created as a category with the intention you describe. No Nazis, No racists and a number of other essays that the creator populated it with have nothing to do with article content, they are essays on the behaviour of editors. Creating controversial content and Don't "teach the controversy" are about high level approaches to controversial content, not about specific controversial topics. Writing about women is an explanation of the manual of style. This appears to just be a collection of essays that the category creator didn't like or disputed. 192.76.8.82 (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @User talk:192.76.8.82 You appear not to understand how certain areas of English Wikipedia work (I see that your IP address was recently partially blocked because of vandalism reasons, which might help to explain why you don't yet understand how Wikipedia works).
 * Claim: it should be removed as it does not belong there.
 * A: Circular argument; doesn't explain why.
 * Q: Why would we put a category full of essays in a maintenance category?
 * A: Category:Wikipedia essays is itself also a maintenance category, so what's your point?
 * Claim: Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability does not include Category:Wikipedia essays about notability as a subcategory, because essays about notability are not themselves topics of unclear notability.
 * A: So what? Category:Wikipedia accessibility does include Category:Wikipedia essays about accessibility; Category:Wikipedia reliable sources does include Category:Wikipedia essays about reliable sources; Category:Wikipedia vandalism does include Category:Wikipedia essays about vandalism; etc.
 * Q: What would be the point in a category containing essays about topics deemed controversial?
 * A: To help editors with how to approach specific topics mentioned in the List of controversial issues.
 * Q: What would an essay on the 2003 invasion of Iraq have in common with an essay on the Last Supper of Jesus, and why would it be useful to put them in a category together?
 * A: They have been or are constantly re-edited in a circular manner, or are otherwise the focus of edit warring or article sanctions per WP:CONT.
 * Q: why would those essays be written in the first place?
 * A: Read The value of essays.
 * Claim: essays generally do not get written about individual articles or topics.
 * A: Yes they do. Read WP:ESSAY, which explains that There are over 2,000 essays on a wide range of Wikipedia-related topics. (...) Policies and guidelines cannot cover all circumstances. Consequently, many essays serve as interpretations of or commentary on perceived community norms for specific topics and situations. (emphasis by me).
 * Claim: No Nazis, No racists and a number of other essays that the creator populated it with have nothing to do with article content, they are essays on the behaviour of editors.
 * A: They do have something to do with article content, and we cannot see article content as independent of editor behaviour and WP:NPOV. WP:CONT itself says: This page is conceived as a location for articles that regularly become biased and need to be fixed, or articles that were once the subject of an NPOV dispute and are likely to suffer future disputes. The divisive nature of disputed subjects has triggered arguments, since opinions on a given issue differ. These subjects are responsible for a great deal of tension among Wikipedia editors, reflecting the debates of society as a whole. Perspectives on these subjects are affected by the time, place, and culture of the editor. WP:NONAZIS adds (amongst other things): There is also a misconception that because maintaining a neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's five fundamental principles, administrators would be acting contrary to this if they blocked a racist editor upon learning of their public self-identification. (...) Additionally, editors who come here to push this point of view within any articles or content, under the guise of the neutral point of view policy, are also typically blocked as being "POV pushers". So the claim that article content and editor behaviour have nothing to do with each other is incorrect.
 * Claim: Creating controversial content and Don't "teach the controversy" are about high level approaches to controversial content, not about specific controversial topics.
 * A: Now you're just contradicting yourself. First you want to exclude essays about specific controversial topics from this category, and now you want to exclude essays that are not about specific controversial topics, but general advice about controversial contents (topics or not), from this category. Seems like you either don't know what you want, or just want no essays about anything controversial. That may be, but then you're in the wrong place here at WP:Categories for discussion, and don't know how this part of Wikipedia works. I recommend you ask your questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia essays first.
 * Claim: Writing about women is an explanation of the manual of style.
 * A: Not just that. Women (see Women and Sexuality); Women-oriented television (Lifetime, Oxygen and WE); Womyn – alternative spelling of women; Women's rights and feminism; and Role of women in religion, Religious feminism, and related topics are all mentioned in the List of controversial issues, and I could include many more entries to which WP:WAW applies.
 * Claim: This appears to just be a collection of essays that the category creator didn't like or disputed. On closer inspection, this claim might actually be true. I do see that creator User:Maxaxax has been blocked indefinitely on 08:10, 15 July 2023, so that's only a few hours ago. Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents which led to a WP:G10 deletion of Topics where reliable sources should be banned from Wikipedia indefinitely (apparently full of racism and sexism) created by Maxaxax, and the indefinite block of Maxaxax. 3 weeks ago Maxaxax added themselves to the Wikipedia talk:No racists and also said something weird at Wikipedia talk:No Nazis/Archive 1. Several categorisations of essays to their Category:Wikipedia essays about controversial topics have been reverted today, such as Don't "teach the controversy" only a few minutes ago. Update: As I've been writing this, the category has been almost completely emptied after it has been nominated for deletion, which should not happen per WP:C2F.
 * Last notes: okay, so Maxaxax probably created this category for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't mean the category cannot serve a legitimate purpose. We can rename / repurpose / rescope it. But given the bad association with Maxaxax and that the category has now been emptied already (against protocol) anyway, a WP:TNT may be in order. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * .Delete Created by a now blocked user to highlight their now deleted racist essay. It was populated with everything they disagreed with, rather than actually being an objective set -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you are correct. I should've read nom's rationale more carefully; I didn't realise the category was created with what appear to be disruptive intentions.... I'm not sure anymore if the category can be re-purposed, but maybe we should first WP:TNT this, and perhaps start over (under a new name) if a category like this can be created for a legitimate purpose. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah if something like this is to be created it should be started from scratch. Maybe a category for essay about Contentious topics, as that has a defined scope not just one editors opinion -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and ActivelyDisinterested, this was created disruptively and is vaguely defined as it stands (it now only has one article). There may be value in organizing project space writing about editing in CTOP areas, but this category wasn't doing that. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 21:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Per WP:TNT, no objection to a legitimate thoughtful recreation per the reasoning by Nederlandse.4meter4 (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of governors
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lists of governors and heads of sub-national entities. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lists of governors to Category:Lists of governors and heads of sub-national entities
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the difference in intention between this category and its parent category is unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom (both cats have the same scope), WP:C2C ((grand)parent Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities) and WP:PRECISE (prevent confusion with Category:Central bankers). I recently purged Category:Lists of governors by moving governors of central banks to Category:Central bankers. Apparently it commonly happens that this banking meaning of "governor" is confused with the political administrative meaning of "governor". The target category's name may be wordy, but is WP:PRECISE and a logical extension of parent Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities (WP:C2C) which should prevent future miscategorisation of central bankers. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Viceregal consorts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Spouses of governors. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Viceregal consorts to Category:Consorts of governors Category:Spouses of governors
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C, sibling categories are named "governors" or "governors and heads of sub-national entities". Alternatively rename to Category:Consorts of governors and heads of sub-national entities Category:Spouses of governors and heads of sub-national entities. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Alt Rename & Re-direct to Category:Spouses of governors per WP:C2C because of parents Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities and Category:Spouses by occupation of partner. As you, @Laurel Lodged and I agreed at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 14, all viceroys are governors, but not all governors are viceroys; in republican systems of government, we do not speak of "viceroys", but only of "governors". Similarly, all consorts are spouses, but we only call spouses of monarchs or viceroys "consorts". So "governors" and "spouses" may be considered the overarching terms which always apply, while "viceroys" and "consorts" only apply in monarchical / dynastic systems of government. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename & Re-direct to Category:Spouses of governors per Nederlandse Leeuw logic. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, "spouses" is better as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose the proposal as it stands, though some change in name would be desired. The category also includes subcats for spouses of Governors-General (Australia and New Zealand) and Viceroys (India). As such "Foo of Governors" is overly restrictive. It's also worth noting that these are colonial and post-colonial governors of national entities, so the "sub-national entity" description is inaccurate. Grutness... wha?   17:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * We already agreed above that all viceroys are governors. I can add that a governor-general is simply a type of governor. There's nothing incorrect about the current proposal. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jibanananda Das Award
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Jibanananda Das Award
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD, WP:NONDEFINING
 * The Jibanananda Das Award is an award for translating poetry from a native Indian languages to English and this award is for the people who received it. The award must not be very defining since a majority of these articles don't so much as mention it. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Thanks to nom for draftifying for a potential future listify. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Prix Roger Caillois recipients
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. No listification is needed here because such a list already exists. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Prix Roger Caillois recipients
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING
 * The Roger Caillois Prize is a French literary award that has three categories: French-speaking authors, Latin American authors, and Essayists. A majority of the biography articles make no reference to the award at all so it doesn't seem remotely defining. This is one of many French literary award categories created in late 2016/early 2017. The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Thanks to nom for draftifying for a potential future listification. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


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