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Category:31st-century BC rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and re-parent accordingly. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:31st-century BC rulers to Category:31st-century BC monarchs
 * Propose renaming Category:30th-century BC rulers to Category:30th-century BC monarchs
 * Propose renaming Category:29th-century BC rulers to Category:29th-century BC monarchs
 * Propose renaming Category:28th-century BC rulers to Category:28th-century BC monarchs
 * Propose renaming Category:27th-century BC rulers to Category:27th-century BC monarchs
 * Propose renaming Category:26th-century BC rulers to Category:26th-century BC monarchs
 * Re-parent all from Category:Rulers by century to Category:Monarchs by century
 * Re-parent all from Category:Ancient rulers to Category:Ancient monarchs
 * Nominator's rationale: More WP:CATSPECIFIC. Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 4. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per actual content. There aren't any other rulers here but monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: the redirect that I made at Category:31st-century BC rulers can be deleted after this. None will be needed at the nominated category names, because the new names will instead form part of the monarchs series. The temporary "cat=" parameter should be removed from navseasoncats in Category:32nd-century BC monarchs. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:58, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Update I added re-parenting to the nom, because I forgot that after the Category:32nd-century BC monarchs renaming (now fixed) to which this CfR is a follow-up. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Per updated nom. More specific and we're unlikely to ever have articles on non-monarchs. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Former observer states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Former observer states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation to Category:Observer states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete It's a former observer, so categorising it as an observer is inaccurate. Just delete it. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, also as a non-defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century women prime ministers in Europe
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Category:Dayak Culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dayak culture
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Dayak people probably suffices as I can't identify any other article which should be added to this category. Considering WP:SMALLCAT, I don't believe that when an "[ethnic group]" category exists, there should automatically be an "[ethnic group] culture" subcat as a part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. If keeping, rename to Dayak culture. —Alalch E. 16:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The only article is already in Category:Dayak people so merging is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bigg Boss Malayalam contestants
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Category:Catalan manuscripts

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Catalan manuscripts to Category:Catalan-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per Category:Catalan-language literature. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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Section header on discussion page

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close: the category has already been deleted (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: Hi, so I created this category Category:Lisa (Thai vocalist) in 2023 by mistake. How is that?? Well, I thought that I was working on Wikimeda Commons but it turned out otherwise.


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Bulgarian monarchs

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 * The result of the discussion was: downmerge/rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose downmerging Category:Bulgarian monarchs to Category:Monarchs of the Bulgars
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century Bulgarian monarchs‎ to Category:19th-century monarchs of Bulgaria
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Bulgarian monarchs‎ to Category:20th-century monarchs of Bulgaria
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, more accurately describing these as monarchs of the country rather than suggesting it is by nationality in any country. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle Category:19th-century monarchs of Bulgaria and Category:20th-century monarchs of Bulgaria, surely? "Bulgary" is not a thing (perhaps confused with Hungary?). Otherwise I agree. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right, that was a subconscious assocation. I fixed it right now. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Important distinction between early medieval Bulgars (Turkic people from Volga Bolghar, gradually Slavicised) and modern Bulgaria. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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And associates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Warlords and associates during the end of the Han dynasty to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Cao Cao and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Dong Zhuo and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Gongsun Zan and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Han Sui and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Bei and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Biao and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Yan and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Yao and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Yu and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Liu Zhang and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Lü Bu and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Ma Teng and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Shi Xie and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Sun Ce and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Sun Quan and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Tao Qian and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Yuan Shao and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Yuan Shu and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Propose merging Category:Zhang Lu and associates to Category:People during the end of the Han dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCASSOC, this contains articles loosely related to one of the warlords during the end of the Han dynasty. Note that many articles are more specifically in a warlords, generals, government officials or family subcategory and those subcategories can of course stay. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Clear cases of WP:OCASSOC. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:19, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Any other categories not listed here can be brought to speedy and renamed there (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dutch Empire to Category:Dutch colonial empire
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D Dutch colonial empire, recently renamed by WP:RM. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment You know, there are a lot of "Dutch empire" categories other than just this one. Will you be arguing that they should all be changed? Liz Read! Talk! 19:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Scandinavian history

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Scandinavian history to Category:History of Scandinavia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D History of Scandinavia. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I generally don't list speedies except WP:C2A and WP:C2E. All others I have found to be potentially contestable, so I list them here. Should I do more speedies? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In general (not specifically in your case) C2E can be more contestable than C2D. C2D will nearly always remain uncontested especially when (as in the nomination above) it is follow-up on a recent RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll take that into account, thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Swiss chronicles
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Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible to Category:Monarchs in the Hebrew Bible
 * Re-parent ? (let's discuss this in the comments)
 * Propose renaming Category:Torah monarchs to Category:Monarchs in the Torah
 * Propose renaming Category:Prophets of the Hebrew Bible to Category:Prophets in the Hebrew Bible
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C grandchild Category:Pharaohs in the Bible (and its main article Pharaohs in the Bible), item Cyrus the Great in the Bible, siblings Category:Women in the Hebrew Bible and Category:Giants in the Hebrew Bible. In the recent CfM "Biblical rulers by century", some people already suggested "in" was better than "of". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Possible re-parenting Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible currently has the following parents: Category:Hebrew Bible people (seems perfectly fine), Category:Monarchs in Africa (questionable, will probably only apply to grandchild Category:Pharaohs in the Bible, and even then it is questionable); Category:Middle Eastern monarchs (questionable and potentially anachronistic), and Category:Jewish monarchs (does not apply to non-Israelite monarchs). Some monarchs mentioned in the Hebrew Bible definitely existed as historical people, but other monarchs have been found by scholars to be literary characters: probably fictional, serving a narrative function in a moralistic story, but not based on historical people. Therefore, I hesitate to apply "in Africa" and "[in the] Middle East" as parents, because some of these monarchs seem to only exist in the pages of the Hebrew Bible, but not in history, nor in geography. Category:Hebrew Bible people is a great-grandchild of Category:People by religious text, alongside Category:Book of Mormon people, Category:People of the Quran, Category:Characters in the Mahabharata, Category:Characters in the Ramayana etc. The existence of a lot of, say, Book of Mormon rulers such as Laman and Lemuel, is also disputed, and we should not put them in categories/trees such as Category:Monarchs in North America. But they and monarchs in the Hebrew Bible could theoretically be put in a child category of Category:People by religious text named Category:Monarchs by religious text. Would that be a good idea? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * While I would not oppose the existence of Category:Monarchs by religious text, I do oppose removing Category:Middle Eastern monarchs. Similarly we keep Category:Semi-legendary kings of Sweden in the tree of Sweden. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. It's mostly the 'Middle' part I object to as anachronistic; main article is Ancient Near East, so it should be 'Ancient Near Eastern'. But that's a separate CfR. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There have been no comments thus far about the nominator's proposal. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Move parents Category:Monarchs in Africa and Category:Jewish monarchs to relevant subcategories and articles, because most articles directly in this category are about non-Jewish non-African people. Neutral about the proposed rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I will just go ahead implementing this, it is not exactly within scope of the Cfr proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that you created Category:People in the deuterocanonical books in 2017. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * Rename of to in, per above, and category parenting can be addressed at editorial discretion. - jc37 21:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco
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Category:Georges Matheron Lectureship recipients
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Georges Matheron Lectureship recipients
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:OCAWARD & WP:NONDEFINING
 * The International Association for Mathematical Geosciences hosts several lecture series including the Distinguished Lecture, the Bullerwell Lecture, and this one, the Georges Matheron Lecture. It's considered an honour to be invited but this performance isn't treated as defining in the biography articles, generally getting mentioned in a list with other honours. The category contents are already listed right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Background We've deleted similar categories for academics giving lectures here, here, here, here, here, and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Statutes dealing with Confederate monuments and memorials
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming Category:Statutes dealing with Confederate monuments and memorials to Category:Confederate monuments and memorials legislation
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME, WP:C2C and maybe WP:IDONTLIKEIT
 * This category contains 4 articles legislation forbidding the removal of Confederate statues and there is growth potential. After looking at dozens of articles about "statues" in this category tree, I kept misreading "statutes" in the category's name and I suspect that can happen to other readers. Most but not all of the subcategories of Category:Statutory law by topic already use "legislation" and the proposed naming format. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, seems a simple case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Yeah, when we're reading about monuments and memorials, "statutes" can easily be misread as "statues". (Unless someone made a statue about memorials and monuments, but that seems unlikely). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: sounds more idiomatic to me (and is consistent with one other subcategory of ), but I'm not American. Ham II (talk) 15:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That would work too. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Most of the members of Category:Statutory law by topic appear to end with "legislation". - jc37 21:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Berber dynasties
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Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs established in 1809
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Category:Palestinian charities
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 * The result of the discussion was: Don't merge There is a consensus that the parent category needs to be cleaned up before any merge can happen. (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Palestinian charities to Category:Charities based in the State of Palestine
 * Nominator's rationale: unique Palestine categories in Category:Charities by country Estopedist1 (talk) 18:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There are concerns about the scope of several categories outside the scope of the CfD. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is a change of scope. The nomiated Category:Palestinian charities is a broad cat which includes the huge Palestinian diaspora. The target Category:Charities based in the State of Palestine is a subcat for charities which are actually in the state.  Merger to the subcat would miscategorise the contents. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment BrownHairedGirl has a valid point. It's currently unclear what 'Palestinian' means at various points in this tree. Parent Category:Palestinian organizations lumps a lot together: Organizations of Palestinian people  — and organizations for Palestinian people or about Palestinian issues. It doesn't yet say the organisations need to be based in Palestine, buuuuut... given the parents Category:Ethnic organizations and Category:Palestine (region), and that about Palestinian issues is linked to State of Palestine, geography also seems to matter somehow. This makes it an WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT between ethnicity ("ethnic organizations"), topic ("about Palestinian issues"), geography ("Palestine (region)", "State of Palestine"), and nationality ("Palestinian people"). Let's clear up the parent first before we start merging its child into its grandchild. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * Weak oppose, it is not clear whether the organizations in this category are based in the State of Palestine. The articles need to become more explicit about it before we can do this merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


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