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Category:Nigerian identity

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nigerian identity
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1-2 entries. Parent (i.e. Category:National identities) is poorly developed Estopedist1 (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, an article about the Nigerian identity card and an article about Nigerian nationalism, that is not quite what you would expect in an identity category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Marco. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Clergy with disabilities
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 1%23Category:Clergy with disabilities

Category:Cuban emigrants to insular areas of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cuban emigrants to insular areas of the United States to Category:Cuban emigrants to the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: A small, unnecessary category. User:Namiba 15:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lawyers with disabilities

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lawyers with disabilities
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Overcategorization. This category has been around for a while, but it seems to be a non-notable intersection of characteristics, and there is no associated article to explain it. StAnselm (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 *  Comment Oppose: My initial motivation for making the category was as a container for the subcategories of blind lawyers and deaf lawyers. However, it turns out that there's a notable intersection and has some discussion in the literature and well, many of the early work on disability advocacy was done by disabled lawyers, eg Deborah Kaplan (disability activist).   Mason (talk) 15:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Deborah Kaplan (disability activist) is properly in Category:American disability rights activists and does not have to be in an intersection category per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose Mason makes good points that disabilities are WP:DEFINING for lawyers, particularly if they do advocacy for disability rights. So too Category:Writers with disabilities and all other siblings in Category:People with disabilities by occupation. I think this falls under the exemptions mentioned in WP:OCEGRS. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:AFC Challenge Cup-winning countries
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting afc challenge cup-winning countries
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDEFINING. This was a relatively small tournament that ran 5 times ever, and it's not a massively defining part of these countries' football history that they won them (the fact there's only ever going to be 4 means WP:SMALLCAT probably applies too). We only have football country winners categories for major international events e.g., not for comparatively minor tournaments like this one <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Havill family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting havill family
 * Nominator's rationale: The "defining characteristic" of this category is having the last name "Havill". After reading some of the biographies this category has been added to, only a few of the biographies indicate a familial relation to others in this category. Often, it seems this has just been randomly added to people with the last name "Havill" (with no indication they are part of the same "family"). The category could just as well have been titled "people with the last name Havill", which would be better served by a disambigiation page, not a category. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:55, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Presumptively fails WP:V. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Musical fantasy films
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 2%23Category:Musical fantasy films

Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 2%23Fooian culture to Culture of Fooland

Category:Hungarian wedding
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wedding. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hungarian wedding to Category:Weddings by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 12:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the target be a containercat? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is right, so the merge target should become Category:Wedding. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Wedding then. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Museums of Lithuanian culture abroad
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Museums of Lithuanian culture abroad to Category:Ethnic museums
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, the article is already in Category:Lithuanian diaspora culture and Category:Ethnic museums in Illinois. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


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Esperanto translators
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:English-Esperanto translators to Category:Translators from English and Category:Translators to Esperanto
 * Propose merging Category:German–Esperanto translators to Category:Translators from German and Category:Translators to Esperanto
 * Propose merging Category:Urdu–Esperanto translators to Category:Translators from Urdu and Category:Translators to Esperanto
 * Propose merging Category:Esperanto–English translators to Category:Translators from Esperanto and Category:Translators to English
 * Propose merging Category:Esperanto–Urdu translators to Category:Translators from Esperanto and Category:Translators to Urdu


 * Nominator's rationale: These only contain one page each, so are not useful for navigation. Some pages are in more than one, so only 3 articles are in these 5 categories. Merge as WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. with permission to re-create if more pages are found. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. That's one busy translator! Also a bit ironic, considering that Esperanto was meant to make translations unnecessary. But you'll need to convince everyone in their own language of that idea first, so I guess there's no way around it. Funny. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Translators of the Bible into Esperanto
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Translators of the Bible into Esperanto to Category:Bible translators and Category:translators to Esperanto
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains one page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. It surprises me that there is no separate Category:Hebrew Bible translators which might have served as a more specific merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should have such a category. Essentially all modern critical editions are produced by a team of translators specialising in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek, sometimes additional languages such as Latin and Coptic. People who translate the Hebrew Bible part are usually not the same as the folks working on the New Testament. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European mythology
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indo-European mythology to Category:Proto-Indo-European mythology; and heavily purge
 * Propose merging Category:Indo-European religion to Category:Proto-Indo-European mythology; and heavily purge
 * Nominator's rationale: Reverting to consensus established on 25 Augustus 2015, and heavily purge. The unilatural re-creation of renamed/re-directed categories by Krakkos on 7 July 2018‎ should be undone. I'm proposing Category:Proto-Indo-European mythology rather than Category:Proto-Indo-European religion as a target due to Proto-Indo-European mythology being the main article, so WP:C2D. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Fair enough if a few articles can be moved to Category:Proto-Indo-European mythology but that can be done irrespective of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked the articles and the few that should be moved to Category:Proto-Indo-European mythology are already in there. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking it. In that case, Just delete is a better option than merging. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:04, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European warfare
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ancient warfare. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Indo-European warfare to Category:Ancient warfare
 * Nominator's rationale: Another ridiculous language-family-based WP:OR WP:CROSSCAT. Does anyone really believe people who just so happen to speak Indo-European languages have a monopoly on the use of cavalry in warfare? Preposterous. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:40, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: Cavalry may have been rare in the pre-Columbian Americas due to the rarity of mountable military animals (e.g. most Maya warfare was conducted on foot), but that has everything to do with biogeography and not because they spoke the wrong language family and thus were incapable of coming up with the idea that you could mount animals for combat purposes. Lots of Chinese, Australasian, sub-Sahara African etc. cultures have employed cavalry since the dawn of civilisation and before contact with Indo-European-speaking people(s). Language family just has nothing to do with it. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Horses in warfare points out The Chinese of the 4th century BC during the Warring States period (403–221 BC) began to use cavalry against rival states. Likewise chariots: Chariots were also used in China as far back as the Shang dynasty (c. 1600–1050 BC), where they appear in burials. The high point of chariot use in China was in the Spring and Autumn period (770–476 BC), although they continued in use up until the 2nd century BC. It's not like non-Indo-European speakers were linguistically incapable of coming up with this idea. Anyway, I've ranted long enough. :) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * delete as patently bogus. Mangoe (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Esperanto speaking Jews
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Esperanto speaking Jews to Category:Jewish Esperantists
 * Nominator's rationale: Corresponding to national categories such as Category:Israeli Esperantists. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom; seems fairly uncontroversial, maybe just WP:BOLD it? 15:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


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