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Category:Films about cryogenics
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 3%23Category:Films about cryogenics

Category:Italic warfare

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete the Italics, merge Category:Wars involving the Samnites. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting italic warfare
 * Propose deleting battles involving italic peoples
 * Propose deleting wars involving italic peoples
 * Propose upmerging Category:Wars involving the Samnites to Category:Samnites
 * Nominator's rationale: Completely useless Italic languages-family-based WP:ARBITRARY WP:CROSSCATs that nobody needs for navigation. So what if the Romans, Samnites and Sabines spoke linguistically related languages? How did that affect their battle tactics, their strategic thinking, their unit formations etc.? It didn't. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivial intersection, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding Category:Wars involving the Samnites redundant layer. @Marcocapelle FYI; thanks for adding the 2 others, I had one more to add but I got distracted in the middle of doing it. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Wars involving the Samnites should be merged to Category:Samnites though. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah you're right. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support as amended by nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


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Arab people by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 00:19, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century BC Arabs‎ (1 P) to Category:9th-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century BC Arabs‎ (3 P) to Category:8th-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:7th-century BC Arabs‎ (3 P) to Category:7th-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:6th-century BC Arabs‎ (1 P) to Category:6th-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century BC Arabs‎ (1 P) to Category:5th-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:2nd-century BC Arabs‎ (1 C, 3 P) to Category:2nd-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-century BC Arabs‎ (1 C, 9 P) to Category:1st-century BC Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-century Arabs‎ (1 C, 12 P) to Category:1st-century Arab people‎ ✅
 * Propose renaming Category:2nd-century Arabs‎ (1 C, 20 P) to Category:2nd-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:3rd-century Arabs‎ (37 P) to Category:3rd-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:4th-century Arabs‎ (18 P) to Category:4th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century Arabs‎ (28 P) to Category:5th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:6th-century Arabs‎ (2 C, 86 P) to Category:6th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:7th-century Arabs‎ (9 C, 285 P) to Category:7th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century Arabs‎ (3 C, 330 P) to Category:8th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century Arabs‎ (4 C, 244 P) to Category:9th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century Arabs‎ (6 C, 159 P) to Category:10th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century Arabs‎ (5 C, 137 P) to Category:11th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century Arabs‎ (3 C, 82 P) to Category:12th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century Arabs‎ (2 C, 91 P) to Category:13th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century Arabs‎ (2 C, 73 P) to Category:14th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century Arabs‎ (2 C, 56 P) to Category:15th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century Arabs‎ (2 C, 44 P) to Category:16th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century Arabs‎ (1 C, 53 P) to Category:17th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century Arabs‎ (1 C, 65 P) to Category:18th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century Arabs‎ (1 C, 123 P) to Category:19th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Arabs‎ (18 C, 41 P) to Category20th-century Arab people‎
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Arabs‎ (18 C, 2 P) to Category:21st-century Arab people‎
 * Purge all people by nationality categories. This is in the Category:People by century and ethnicity tree.
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 15. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, per previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename, per previous discussion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Same here, rename, per previous discussion.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  07:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Croat scientists from Bosnia and Herzegovina

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting croat scientists from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Propose deleting croat actors from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Propose deleting croat television actors from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Propose deleting croat artists from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Propose deleting croat military personnel from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Propose deleting croat singers from bosnia and herzegovina
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable intersections by ethnicity per WP:OCEGRS; emphasis on earlier LaundryPizza03 explanation (here) that WP:NARROWCAT applies regardless. We don't categorize people by occupation of a Foo country by ethnicity, religion, etc.
 * It concerns WP:CATDEF; WP:NONDEFINING, WP:ETHNICRACECAT refers to WP:COP (WP:COP/WP:COPHERITAGE);
 * As a sidenote, many, if not all, articles lack references to prove the claim laid in the category; it's all doing of one and the same editor with a knack for creating distinct categories based on ethnicity. Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_21#Category:Croat_sportspeople_from_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina for additional information. ౪ Santa ౪  99°  07:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial intersections with ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina fooers, e.g. Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina scientists. Deleting them means pulling them out of the Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina people by occupation, where they do belong. Wouldn't you agree @Marcocapelle? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In principle yes, but then it should become a manual merge, because most articles belong in the Croatian tree, as their birth in Bosnia and Herzegovina is trivial compared to their career in Croatia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, I misunderstood this category. I thought it was "ethnic Croats living in BiH who are scientists", but it's "people living in Croatia who are scientists and who also just so happen to have been born in BiH". That last bit is trivial yes. Unless "BiH brain drain to Croatia" was a well-recognised phenomenon with a main article, then perhaps, but not like this. Manual merge then. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment.;, before someone plunges into sea of blp's and bio's for checking which should or should not be up/manually merged, following could info be useful for anyone considering exactly that. The thing with these Croat of foo-occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina is that they are doing of one editor with a knack for creating these "ethnicized categories", so to speak, under Bosnia and Herzegovina for the sole purpose of separating blp's/bio's based on one ethnic identity, and that all Croat foo-occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina cats are recently created over a period of just day or two. However, and here I was almost compelled writing "needles to say....", most if not all of the blp/bio articles categorized with these nominated for deletion categories were/are already properly categorized in either Croatian foo-occupation, Bosnia and Herzegovina foo-occupation, or in some cases both. In other words, it is fairly reasonable and safe to assume that no need for up/manual merge actually exist at all. If some of the bio articles had not been categorized as either Croatian foo-occupation or Bosnia and Herzegovina foo-occupation it's either a fluke and/or it is because there is no sources-based discussion in them mentioning blp's/bio's adherence to one or the other country.in the first place.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You are right, I will stand by my earlier delete vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete all would set a bad precedent if retained. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Housing in Iceland
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Housing in Europe and Category:Society of Iceland and Category:Economic advocacy groups. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Housing in Iceland to Category:Housing in Europe and Category:Society of Iceland and Category:Economy of Iceland and Category:Architecture in Iceland


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 15:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Considering the content of the article, I would rather move it to Category:Advocacy groups or Category:Economic advocacy groups instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * How about:
 * Category:Housing in Europe;
 * Category:Society of Iceland;
 * Category:Economic advocacy groups?
 * "Architecture" and "Economy of Iceland" indeed seems out of scope. "Advocacy groups" and "Economy of Iceland" seem redundant if we already do "Economic advocacy groups". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Society of Iceland and Category:Economic advocacy groups are ok merge targets, but Category:Housing in Europe does not fit the article that is about households (as an economic interest group) rather than about housing. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm well I think households and housing are quite closely linked. In the short term the main objective is to address urgently the impact made by the financial crisis on households, and prevent households from becoming victims of unfair and possibly illegal confiscation of property as well as unsustainable debt and social disintegration. I understand "property" to include housing.
 * Wait.... This whole text is almost word for word from the website. It is a WP:copyvio! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * I don't agree that households and housing are quite closely linked. A household can have two houses, or two households can live in one house. It is about (groups of) people versus a physical place. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that "It is about (groups of) people versus a physical place". Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bigg Boss Malayalam contestants
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Bigg Boss Malayalam contestants to Category:Bigg Boss (Malayalam TV series) contestants
 * Nominator's rationale: To conform with Bigg Boss (Malayalam TV series) and its season names, in the line of Category:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) contestants. The Doom Patrol (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It seens invidious to delete one when it came up for renaming, without considering all the Category:Bigg Boss contestants & subcats as a set. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * Rename in absence of consensus to delete. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


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Category:National Highways in China
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 3%23Category:National Highways in China

European people by country
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 3%23European people by country

Category:Star Wars Jedi (series) characters
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Star Wars Jedi (series) characters to Category:Star Wars Jedi
 * Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. ★Trekker (talk) 09:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I don't know how heavily redirects "count"? But this cat has 4 redirects and just 1 standalone article. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Redirects should have a very low count because normally one wouldn't navigate from a redirect page. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hindutva Terrorism
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hindu nationalist terrorism. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hindutva Terrorism to Category:Hindu terrorism
 * Nominator's rationale: Pre WP:C2D, and aligning the category name with its main article, which was moved on 25 February and has remained stable for the last five months. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support: Per WP:CAPITALISATION. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  08:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, but there appears to be significant overlap between this new category and the existing Category:Hindu nationalist terrorism. What's the distinction? Should one be a parent category of the other? 2A00:23EE:16A8:C58:6836:22FF:FE30:62BD (talk) 18:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Very well observed! Hence rename per nom, then merge to Category:Hindu nationalist terrorism while leaving a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile I discovered that article Hindu nationalist terrorism had been renamed to Hindu terrorism. So in this discussion I am proposing to rename the eponymous category as well. So the merge target depends on the outcome of that other discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Hindu nationalist terrorism or the title to which it is renamed. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Films postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic to Category:Films impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic
 * Nominator's rationale: Countless films had their release dates delayed due to production lapses and delays caused by the pandemic. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  08:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't see how a merger helps here.★Trekker (talk) 16:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If nominator means that the whole tree should be cut, I agree. But just nominating a single category does not help. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per StarTrekker. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Film productions suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Users seem to agree that a merger is unhelpful here. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Film productions suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic to Category:Films impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic
 * Nominator's rationale: Countless films had their release dates delayed due to production lapses and delays caused by the pandemic. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  08:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * See above. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European legendary creatures
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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Indo-European legendary creatures to Category:European legendary creatures and Category:Asian legendary creatures
 * Nominator's rationale: split, trivial intersection between legendary creatures and language group. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Split per nom. Some of the children of Category:European legendary creatures are also language-family-based, such as Category:Finno-Ugric legendary creatures; I would upmerge that. Similarly I'm not sure everything in, say, Category:Scottish legendary creatures should be considered Category:Celtic legendary creatures. E.g. the Morag (lake monster) was reportedly first sighted in 1887, but other than that its name derives from a lake which has a Scottish Gaelic name, I wouldn't say there is anything "Celtic" about the purported monster, or at least the claim that there is one. It has a lot to do with 19th-century Scottish culture, but not really with the Celtic languages family. But that's a next step, right? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:DEFA people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cinema of East Germany. Category:DEFA will be nominated separately, for procedural reasons. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:45, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting defa people
 * Nominator's rationale: delete for now, there is no conceptual objection against the category but it does not serve a navigational benefit when only one article is in the category. By all means re-create the category when at least a handful of people can be put in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Cinema of East Germany. Delete Category:DEFA as a redundant layer. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * (as nom) I agree with this alternative too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Infobox rail line tracked parameters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting infobox rail line tracked parameters
 * Nominator's rationale: This category has not been used since 2016. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:C1. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


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