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Category:Midstakes poker players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting midstakes poker players
 * Nominator's rationale: The criterion of a minimum buy-in of $1000 (apparently for tournaments, though not explicitly stated) is totally arbitrary. Afaik, there is no official definition of "midstakes". Clarityfiend (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. This is a follow-up to the deletion of Category:High stakes poker players. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename Category:Midstakes poker players and Category:Notable lower-level poker players to Category:Professional lower-level poker players. See also Category:Notable lower-level poker players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk • contribs) 10:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The first target is going to be deleted soon too. The second target does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with Marco. Merging is no viable. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I missed "and rename". But renaming isn't an option either, the proposed name suffers equally bad from WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Another problem is that players go up and down levels with some frequency. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Moreover, breaking Category:Poker players in this way probably makes it harder, not easier, for readers to find an article they're looking for. Pichpich (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Literally tens of thousands of people fall under this umbrella, with the topic itself not notable at all. 2005 (talk) 04:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Contemplated enlargements of the European Union
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Category:Buildings and Monuments on the Canadian Register of Historic Places

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting buildings and monuments on the canadian register of historic places
 * Propose deleting canadian register of historic places
 * Propose deleting canadian register of historic places in manitoba
 * Propose deleting canadian register of historic places in new brunswick
 * Propose deleting canadian register of historic places in ontario
 * Propose deleting canadian register of historic places in saskatchewan
 * Propose deleting lighthouses on the canadian register of historic places
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:WHATISCRHP, the Canadian Register of Historic Places "confers no historic status or protection. It is merely a database of sites that have been officially designated by governments in Canada as having historic value. The CRHP is an information tool, not a heritage designation itself." In other words, inclusion in that database is not a defining characteristic of a site in and of itself -- CRHP is simply a directory of sites which have historic status, but is not in and of itself the conferrer of that status. Categorizing for this is the equivalent of categorizing for or, which would also be deeply misguided. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not disagree with you that he the CRHP does not confer status, but it is currently nearly impossible to answer questions like:
 * - what are the oldest buildings in canada? (with info on each building)
 * - what are the oldest wood framed buildings in Canada?
 * - What are the oldest buildings in New Brunswick?
 * Etc...
 * What do you propose? HISTORBUFF (talk) 17:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * How on earth would this category assist in answering those questions at all? Bearcat (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and per WP:OVERLAPCAT with existing historic places categories, e.g. Category:National Historic Sites in Saskatchewan. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Notable lower-level poker players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting notable lower-level poker players
 * Nominator's rationale: Badly named category which exists solely to hold redirects. Under virtually no circumstances should a main content category ever have the word "notable" in its name -- notability is a base requirement of even having a Wikipedia article at all, so it's hardly necessary for the category system to distinguish "notable X" from "non-notable X". But even worse, it was created entirely to hold people whose names exist solely as redirects to a poker competition that they participated in, and thus haven't even been established as "notable" in the first place -- and for the icing on the cake, one redirect (which I've already deleted as cross-namespace) existed not as a redirect to a competition, but as a recursive redirect back to this category, which is not acceptable at all. Renaming might be acceptable as well, if somebody can propose a legitimate alternate name for it and some actual articles that could be filed in that, but an inappropriately named category that exists solely to hold redirects is hardly needed. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I am also going to nominate Category:Midstakes poker players as a mi(d)stake. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename Category:Midstakes poker players and Category:Notable lower-level poker players to Professional lower-level poker players. This will solve the problem with a suitable name for the category, the inclusion of mostly redirects, but will also shift the definition from a certain level of buy-in, to mere inclusion based on the subjects professional status. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 09:41, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That just begs the question of what exactly the definition of "lower-level" is. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * One way to define it, if we take WSOP as example, could be to set every championship event as high-stakes, and the lower levels set at non-championship bracelet-events, and the World Series of Poker Circuit-events, respectively. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 12:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is WP:OR. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hardly so when most of the notable players at these levels can be found on the World Series of Poker Circuit Tour - and thus the main part of eligible players for a possible inclusion for a "lower level"-player is deemed not notable. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Moreover; the Circuit tour is officially right "below" the World Series of Poker Tour and thus is defined as a lower level. (See for a snooker example the relationship between World Snooker Tour and Q Tour (former PIOS Tour)). TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Evenmore so; there aren't really that many categories systemizing poker players so this one is needed. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should redirect your energies to populating Category:Amateur poker players? (e.g. Guy Laliberté, Richard Nixon, etc.) Clarityfiend (talk) 08:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll do this myself. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. When one needs to use "notable" in the category's name, it's in trouble. (usually subjective, usually with no clear criterion for membership, and so on) Pichpich (talk) 18:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Adjunct professor

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting adjunct professor
 * Nominator's rationale: Misguided category. There are five articles here, of which three are biographies of people who have held adjunct professorships -- but all that really means is "part-time instead of full-time", which means it isn't a defining characteristic of the people. If the biographies are removed, however, then all that would be left are adjunct professor itself and a spinoff article about adjunct professors in North America, which isn't enough content to need a dedicated category. Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Oculi (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The two topic articles are already in Category:Academic ranks. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete more per WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Category:Serbian-speaking countries and territories
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Category:Aviation plays and operas

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aviation plays and operas to Category:Aviation plays
 * Nominator's rationale: Plays and operas are apples and oranges. I've already split off the operas to Category:Aviation operas. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Moldova location map templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Moldova location map templates to Category:Moldova location map modules
 * Nominator's rationale: This template category is a subcategory of "Moldova location map modules" but the contents are no different to the parent category. Both just contain modules. --Ferien (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. DH85868993 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Manuscripts in Cambridge
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Category:Polish manuscripts
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