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Category:Female-led UK punk bands of the 21st Century
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Category:Emigrants from the Owu Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Owu Kingdom to Category:Emigrants from former countries
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 17:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, it is very odd to call someone who was enslaved an emigrant. If not deleted, rather merge to Category:African emigrants. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:2nd-century BC women rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:2nd-century BC women rulers to Category:2nd-century BC queens regnant and Category:2nd-century BC women regents
 * Queens regnant:
 * in Category:2nd-century BC Pharaohs + Category:Female pharaohs : Berenice III, Cleopatra I Syra, Cleopatra II, Cleopatra III, Cleopatra IV
 * in the Category:2nd-century BC monarchs tree + Category:Ancient queens regnant tree : Camasarye Philotecnus, Cleopatra Thea, Laodice (sister-wife of Mithridates IV of Pontus), Shanakdakhete
 * only in the Category:Ancient queens regnant tree : Laodice of the Sameans, Panhtwar
 * Women regents: all are in Category:Ancient women regents; all except Empress Lü are also in the Category:Ancient queens consort tree : Agathoclea, Amage, Cleopatra I Syra, Queen Jiu, Laodice of Cappadocia, Laodice VI, Nysa of Cappadocia, Rinnu
 * Un-parent: only in the Category:Ancient queens consort tree : Etuta, Laodice (sister-wife of Mithridates VI of Pontus), Stratonice of Cappadocia
 * Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. Follow-up to the splitting of 3rd-century BC women rulers and 4th-century BC women rulers.
 * Basics: "Queen by marriage" = queen consort. "Queen regent" (over underage son) = women regent. "Queen in her own right" (i.e. not by virtue of marriage to husband, or by regency over underage son) = Queen regnant. As is a common pattern throughout history across the Earth, many queens consort became women regents over their underage son(s) upon the death of their husbands; in a few cases (often ancient Egyptian or Greek), they became queens regnant in their own right. In some ancient Egyptian and Greek cases, queens and kings (or even mother and son) were joint monarchs (co-regents / co-monarchs), but there needs to be evidence for this in the biography, not assumptions. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, it is silly to have this category parented to a regents category while quite a few articles are about queens regnant. They are quite different. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hindi-speaking countries and territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hindi-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Hindi is an official language
 * Propose renaming Category:Hindustani-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Hindustani is an official language
 * Propose renaming Category:Urdu-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Urdu is an official language
 * Nominator's rationale (Hindi): Per WP:C2C parent Category:Countries and territories by official language, and per category description List of countries and territories where Hindi (हिन्दी) is an official language. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:55, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale (Hindustani): Per WP:C2C parent Category:Countries and territories by official language, per WP:C2D main article List of countries and territories where Hindustani is an official language, and per category description This category includes countries and territories where a variety of Hindustani (Hindi/Urdu) is official. We might change it slightly to where a variety of Hindustani is or where a Hindustani variety is according to the description, but WP:C2D would technically take precedence. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale (Urdu): Per WP:C2C parent Category:Countries and territories by official language, and per category description List of countries and territories where Urdu (اُردوُ) is an official language. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Austronesier You said at this AfD that Hindustani (aka Hindi–Urdu) is not an official language anywhere in the world: it's Hindi in India and Urdu in Pakistan. When used for offcial purposes, they are very distinct from each other. Perhaps we should then Split List of countries and territories where Hindustani is an official language into ...where Hindi is... and ...where Urdu is..., and Delete Category:Hindustani-speaking countries and territories as inaccurate, or at least as a redundant layer in between? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Austronesier Hi, you may have missed my tag, but I would really like hear your linguist opinion about this issue. You know more about this than I do. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Update siblings about Azerbaijani, Hungarian, Somali, and Tamil have recently been renamed to ...where Fooian is an official language for the same or similar reasons as in the rationale. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Since I have been pinged here, here is my take. Firstly, I don't understand quite the merit of having largely static micro-categories like Category:Hindi-speaking countries and territories (→ Category:Countries and territories where Hindi is an official language) with less than 10 entries. Also, category titles obviously have to match their stated purpose. A category that doesn't do that like Category:Hindi-speaking countries and territories ("X-speaking country/territory" ≠ "country/territory where X is an official language") needs to be fixed either by changing the title or changing its entry criteria. "Category:X-speaking countries and territories" is of course extremely hard to delineate by objective criteria and cut-off points, so the way proposed by the OP is the more feasible IMO, even if the criteria of inclusion are still not watertight based on problems like the recognition status of countries and territories and even differing definitions of what constitutes an "official language" ( we're not done yet in Talk:Dutch_language 😆. I'm just terribly busy at this time.) –Austronesier (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, and yes, delete Category:Hindustani-speaking countries and territories as inaccurate. –Austronesier (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Austronesier Thanks for your insightful comment, I agree with what you say. This is part of the process of making these categories more WP:DEFINING, and official languages has been found the best way to do that at the recent renaming of parent Category:Countries and territories by language to Category:Countries and territories by official language.
 * I understand we are not done yet at Talk:Dutch language; I don't presume to have "won" the discussion just because I had "the last word" (so far). At the "French-speaking" CfR, I summarised our exchance as follows: As far as I know, there is no consensus yet in English Wikipedia when we count a certain language as having the status of "official language". (Austronesier and I discussed this at Talk:Dutch language, without really reaching an agreement. TL;DR I think we need to be able to point to a legal text declaring Dutch the official language of the Netherlands (de jure); Austronesier thinks is it sufficient if multiple RS say "Dutch is the official language of the Netherlands", even if there is no law we can necessarily point to, but the government uses Dutch all the time (de facto)). We are still figuring this out. I would not be opposed to including the four countries mentioned in the list for now until there is a consensus. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Delete Hindustani? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Hindi and Urdu/Rename Hundustani if Kept This is much less subjective and more defining. Purge articles as needed. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Yes, I think so per Austronesier. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:23, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this can be closed. There seems to be consensus to Delete Hindustani, and Rename Hindu and Urdu as nominated. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Queens of Cappadocia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Queens of Cappadocia to Category:Queens consort of Cappadocia
 * Nominator's rationale: More WP:CATSPECIFIC. They were all queens by marriage to the king of Cappadocia, and a few were regents over their sons, but none was a queen regnant. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, also as a case of WP:C2C per parent Category:Ancient Greek queens consort. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. The reason why I didn't invoke C2C is because just before nominating, I added two more queens that had (in my conclusion incorrectly) been put in the Category:Monarchs of Cappadocia, namely Nysa of Cappadocia and Stratonice of Cappadocia. So I had changed the membership of the category beforehand. I thought/think each woman's biography needs to be read individually, to assess whether they were (A) all queens consort or whether (B) some were queens regnant, and my conclusion was A. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Chechen-speaking countries and territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chechen-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Chechen is an official language
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:C2C parent Category:Countries and territories by official language, and per category description Countries and territories where Chechen is the official or national language. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Stavropol can be purged and I find the inclusion of three former republics in the area of Czechnya and Dagestan also very questionable. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Update siblings about Azerbaijani, Hungarian, Somali, and Tamil have recently been renamed to ...where Fooian is an official language for the same or similar reasons as in the rationale. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:09, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Unclear whether there will be enough articles for a category after purging. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and Purge to be less subjective. Does that leave a viable category in this case? - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Stavropol can indeed be purged, but otherwise all items seem to fulfill the criteria. The recent renaming of Category:Ukrainian-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Ukrainian is an official language and of Category:Swedish-speaking countries and territories to Category:Countries and territories where Swedish is an official language (agreed, but not yet carried out) have established that former countries and territories may also be included in this category tree of official languages. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Went ahead and purged Stavropol Krai per Marcocapelle. Can we close this as Rename now? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hip-hop albums released posthumously

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Albums published posthumously (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hip-hop albums released posthumously
 * Nominator's rationale: No by-genre scheme under Category:Albums published posthumously and I am not sure there needs to be. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * I am assuming this should be merged rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to Category:Albums published posthumously, there does not seem a reason to remove articles from that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:11th-century rulers in Al-Andalus
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Category:Rugby union players from Monaghan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete since the eventual conclusion was that no further merging was needed and the sole page has already been added to all relevant parents. (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rugby union players from Monaghan to Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan and Category:People from Monaghan (town)
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT: only 1 article. Both merge targets are small.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Merge for Now with no objection to recreation if this ever grows to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for now As per nom and RevelationDirect. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Sportspeople from Monaghan (town), part of Category:Sportspeople by city or town in the Republic of Ireland (which will have at least 4 members);  and upmerge to Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan . Indeed noting that Category:Sportspeople from Athlone includes Category:Buccaneers RFC players, the same logic would add Category:Monaghan United F.C. players and Category:Monaghan United F.C. managers. Oculi (talk) 08:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Oculi: a rename will remove the contents from Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan.
 * If you want to create a new Category:Sportspeople from Monaghan (town), that can be done anyay; there is abslurely no need at all to mess with this simple merge.
 * The idea of adding the footballers is a bad one. Soccer players transfer between clubs, so categories for soccer players by club are not categorised under people-feom-place categories.
 * It's very hard to see this ALT pfroposal as anything other than yet another bout of the vinictive, tag-teaming disruption which you and LL have been engang in at CFD for the last few weeks, targetig my work in revenge after you withdrew your ill-considered mass nominations of expatriates and eigrants. Knock it off, please.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "and upmerge to Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan" is there in my Alt response (which is hardly complicated). Oculi (talk) 22:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Alt per Oculi Rename to Category:Sportspeople from Monaghan (town), part of Category:Sportspeople by city or town in the Republic of Ireland (which will have at least 4 members); and upmerge to Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * LL, this is just a simple upmergeof a 1-page category. A I noted in reply to Oculi above, this ALT proposal adds absurd complicatio to s simple WP:SMALLCAT merge.  Please stop playomg games.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment Given the current context, I agree with BHG that it makes sense just to proceed with the original merge. No opinion on the potential expanded category, but let's punt that for later. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * My bad pun was meant to lower the temperature but, given how tense things are right now, I don't want to be misconstrued. We should really try to stay WP:COOL with this nomination as we try to work through our differences at ANI. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I have created Category:Sportspeople from Monaghan (town), subcat of Category:People from Monaghan (town), as suggested above, and placed Barney Allison in both Category:Sportspeople from Monaghan (town) and Category:Rugby union players from County Monaghan. So a simple 'delete' is all that is required. Oculi (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from Newbury Park, California
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Category:Ayr Raiders (1946 — 1956) players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ayr Raiders players. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ayr Raiders (1946 — 1956) players to Category:Ayr Raiders (1939–1955) players
 * Nominator's rationale: According to the article Ayr Raiders, these years and not the years in current category name were the years the team existed before a hiatus. Team played professionally in British National League (1954–1960). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support assuming the article is correct (there are many mentions of 1939 in the text). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The club article, listed under the later name Ayr Bruins, is poorly referenced and does not contain enough information to answer the question above. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 23:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have asked WP:REFDESK about this club; see Reference_desk/Entertainment. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 23:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment I have been able to recover a key reference regarding the historical names of this club at . However, reliability of this reference is questionable, as this blog-like website does not have an About Us or a description of its editorial process. As the aforementioned refdesk (preserved at Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2023_May_28) did not generate a meaningful response, I have restated the question in clearer language at Reference_desk/Entertainment. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * The reply has been archived at Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2023_June_26. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it an option to remove the years from the category name? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "Rename' to Category:Ayr Raiders players - I don't see anything else this is ambiguous with, and this nicely sidesteps the ambiguous year issues. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Vancouver City S.C. players
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vancouver city s.c. players
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. The article for it does not exist, no independent sources could be found. Geregen2 (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - the fact there is no parent article does not matter - 6 entries means this is a valid category. GiantSnowman 20:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete I checked several articles and none of them mentioned the club. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It is actually mentioned, but under a slightly different name, namely Vancouver City FC. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Rename to Category:Vancouver City FC players. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Vancouver Halecos players
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vancouver halecos players
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence provided that the club is notable (under this name or as Vancouver Hale-Co FC). Played in the 1950s. Article does not exist. Geregen2 (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Keep - the fact there is no parent article does not matter - 4 entries means this is a valid category. GiantSnowman 20:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep per GiantSnowman. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the articles in the category above, Vancouver Hale-Co was a temporary name of Vancouver City FC. If kept, it may make sense to merge the categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to the above as Category:Vancouver City FC players. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Swedish Hockey League players
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:50, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting swedish hockey league players
 * Nominator's rationale: Useless category when filled with players by club categories as the Swedish Hockey League has promotion and relegation. All categories in Category:Ice hockey players by club in Sweden Category:Ice hockey players in Sweden by team. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: does this not apply to all of Category:Ice hockey players in Europe by league? Many or most leagues in Europe use promotion-relegation, and even for those who do not, the same club (or several clubs with the same name) may have played at various levels throughout its history. E.g. Category:HC CSKA Moscow players is in, but also has players who only played on other Soviet and Russian leagues. Place Clichy (talk) 10:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, many (Swedish Hockey League is the one I know the teams and structure the best). As it is know. all Category:Jokerit players are under Category:Ice hockey players in Russia through Category:Kontinental Hockey League players. Then all should be deleted or purged from players by club categories and filled with people/articles instead. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge -- This is largely a container for club player categories, but it duplicates Category:Ice hockey players by club in Sweden. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Stefan Liv Memorial Trophy winners‎, List of current SHL team rosters and List of current SHL captains and alternate captains would fit better in Category:Swedish Hockey League and all Category:Foo players are already in the target. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 07:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I can only offer observations in comparison to the equivalent categories for football (I know editors at different sports apply them in different ways), where the X League players category is added to each individual player's article when the player takes part in a match in that league, and is never added to a club article because, as has been stated above, clubs in almost every football system move between divisions and have often been in some other historical systems, so instead the club articles get a X League clubs article as relevant. Clearly the same rule is not being applied to the Swedish Hockey League players cat although my understanding is that European hockey follows the multi-level European football system more closely than it does the closed system at North American hockey. The question is whether it should be repurposed to mirror the football usage (a lot of work), or just deleted. Crowsus (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:New Zealand cricket tours of North America
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting new zealand cricket tours of north america
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, unlikely they will tour North America anytime soon, since there are no major cricket teams there <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Disaster preparedness by continent
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness by continent to Category:Emergency management by continent
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in Africa to Category:Emergency management in Africa (added 5 July)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in Asia to Category:Emergency management in Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in Europe to Category:Emergency management in Europe
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in North America to Category:Emergency management in North America
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in Oceania to Category:Emergency management in Oceania
 * Propose renaming Category:Disaster preparedness in South America to Category:Emergency management in South America
 * Nominator's rationale: it seems that a loose end by per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_13 Estopedist1 (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The subcategories should be listed and tagged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Hugo999 (talk) 22:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support per nom and 2016 precedent. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Physical systems
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Category:Systems and Category:Conceptual systems
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Category:Sports strategy and tactics
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Category:New Zealand cricket tours of Scotland
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting new zealand cricket tours of scotland
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nominator and WP:SMALLCAT. Growth of this category isn't possible now. Thank you ! Fade258 (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep' Why is growth not possible? This category absolutely has "realistic potential for growth" per WP:SMALLCAT, Scotland is playing more bilateral cricket as evidenced by Category:English cricket tours of Scotland and Category:Afghan cricket tours of Scotland which have slowly grown over the past decade. Beeeggs (talk) 15:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Generally, we want at least 4-5 articles for a category to be valid. There are no future planned tours of Scotland in the ICC future calendar list, and given the frequency of NZ tours to England, it's unlikely that there will be enough tours to Scotland for at least 15 years if ever at all. If at some point in the long future there are enough articles to meet Wikipedia's guidelines, then and only then should it be created. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per nom, Beeeggs. Panamitsu (talk) 23:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Asian civilizations
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual upmerge / delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose selective merge and delete asian civilizations
 * Propose selective merge and delete african civilizations
 * Propose selective merge and delete american civilizations
 * Propose deleting civilizations by continent
 * Nominator's rationale: manually upmerge/re-parent items and subcats explicitly named "civiliz/sation(s)" to Category:Civilizations. Follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13, and before that Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 25. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Archaeology by continent
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Archaeology of the Americas to Category:Archaeology in the Americas
 * Propose renaming Category:South American archaeology to Category:Archaeology in South America
 * Propose renaming Category:North American archaeology to Category:Archaeology in North America
 * Propose renaming Category:Asian archaeology to Category:Archaeology in Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:European archaeology to Category:Archaeology in Europe
 * Propose renaming Category:African archaeology to Category:Archaeology in Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:Oceanian archaeology to Category:Archaeology in Oceania
 * Nominator's rationale: Avoid use of the demonym for continents. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency. Denonyms are mainly just used in case of nationality of people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and Marco. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Texts of medieval Ireland
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