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Category:Rulers of Milan
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Category:Nations at beauty pageants

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Countries at beauty pageants. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 05:10, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Nations at beauty pageants to Category:Countries at beauty pageants
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B, compare Category:Lists of countries in beauty pageants and its items List of Miss World countries etc. and Template:Miss World countries and territories. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2C. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dogmatism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 05:10, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dogmatism
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT - "dogmatism" is mostly a label philosophers apply to other people who they feel are overly stubborn or insufficiently skeptical of their own beliefs, rather than referring to a specific set of people with a distinct ideology &#32;- car chasm (talk) 18:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, there isn't an article about Dogmatism and I can't quite imagine what other articles would fit this category. The two articles currently in the category are also, and better so, in parent Category:Dogma. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Marcocapelle. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete too subjective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated Pan-American presidents

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Assassinated presidents by continent. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Assassinated Pan-American presidents to Category:Assassinated presidents by continent
 * Nominator's rationale: We generally hold North and South America at the same level as other continents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This should be considered along with Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_27. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Right now only has one subcategory but, even if there were a second, this seems unlikely to aid navigation, per WP:OCLOCATION. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I was thinking in adding North America, Central America, South America, and the Caribbean. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. We don't have (or need) Category:Pan-American presidents or even Category:Pan-American people. For that matter we don't have Category:Presidents by continent but we do have Category:Heads of state by continent; so I would prefer Category:Assassinated heads of state by continent. Oculi (talk) 00:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Unless the CEO of Pan Am was ever assassinated, "Pan-American" is not an adjective we would use outside of official names such as Pan-American Treaty (1923) or the ideology of Pan-Americanism. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Games for Windows certified games
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Games for Windows. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Games for Windows certified games to Category:Games for Windows
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, essentially the same and redundant subcat. Brandmeistertalk  08:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom - I suspect that the parent category was likely intended to be a topic category for articles related to the product itself, but in practice all of the members of both categories are gaming software so there's no real need for a separate set category. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 18:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Heaths by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Heaths. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Heaths by country to Category:Heaths
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Parks by year of establishment
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 28%23Parks by year of establishment

Classical liberals
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 * The result of the discussion was: purge and rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Classical liberals to Category:Classical liberal economists and Category:Liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Classical liberals by nationality to Category:Classical liberal economists by nationality and Category:Liberal politicians by nationality
 * Propose splitting Category:Argentine classical liberals to Category:Argentine classical liberal economists Category:Argentine liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Austrian classical liberals to Category:Austrian classical liberal economists Category:Austrian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Brazilian classical liberals to Category:Brazilian classical liberal economists Category:Brazilian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:British classical liberals to Category:British classical liberal economists Category:British liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Canadian classical liberals to Category:Canadian classical liberal economists Category:Canadian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Chinese classical liberals to Category:Chinese classical liberal economists Category:Chinese liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Costa Rican classical liberals to Category:Costa Rican classical liberal economists Category:Costa Rican liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Danish classical liberals to Category:Danish classical liberal economists Category:Danish liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Dutch classical liberals to Category:Dutch classical liberal economists Category:Dutch liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:French classical liberals to Category:French classical liberal economists Category:French liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:German classical liberals to Category:German classical liberal economists Category:German liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Indian classical liberals to Category:Indian classical liberal economists Category:Indian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Italian classical liberals to Category:Italian classical liberal economists Category:Italian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Japanese classical liberals to Category:Japanese classical liberal economists Category:Japanese liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Luxembourgian classical liberals to Category:Luxembourgian classical liberal economists Category:Luxembourgian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:New Zealand classical liberals to Category:New Zealand classical liberal economists Category:New Zealand liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Nigerian classical liberals to Category:Nigerian classical liberal economists Category:Nigerian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Pakistani classical liberals to Category:Pakistani classical liberal economists Category:Pakistani liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Peruvian classical liberals to Category:Peruvian classical liberal economists Category:Peruvian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Portuguese classical liberals to Category:Portuguese classical liberal economists Category:Portuguese liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Russian classical liberals to Category:Russian classical liberal economists Category:Russian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Slovenian classical liberals to Category:Slovenian classical liberal economists Category:Slovenian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Swedish classical liberals to Category:Swedish classical liberal economists Category:Swedish liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Swiss classical liberals to Category:Swiss classical liberal economists Category:Swiss liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:African classical liberals to Category:African classical liberal economists Category:African liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Asian classical liberals to Category:Asian classical liberal economists Category:Asian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:European classical liberals to Category:European classical liberal economists Category:European liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:North American classical liberals to Category:North American classical liberal economists Category:North American liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:Oceanian classical liberals to Category:Oceanian classical liberal economists Category:Oceanian liberal politicians
 * Propose splitting Category:South American classical liberals to Category:South American classical liberal economists Category:South American liberal politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: split, the category tree mixes up two entirely different occupations, politicians and economists. Besides for politicians "classical" is not a defining characteristic, they are mostly simply called "liberal" politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - is a classical liberal economist the same thing as Category:Classical economists? If so, I think we should drop the "liberal" from the economist categories. I also wonder if the economists even need to be split by country - I assume there are probably more politicians than economists, and which country someone is from is more relevant to politicians. If there aren't too many economists, we could rename the categories instead of splitting and just move the economists to Category:Classical economists or one of its subcategories. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 18:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That (manually purge and rename) is a better solution indeed, also because many articles in the nationality subcategories are cases of OR categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Purge and Rename per above - I've also recently made Category:Liberal theorists for liberal political philosophers, who may or may not necessarily also be economists or politicians. From a quick check most of the people who fit in this new category don't seem to be in the above ones unless they were also economists or politicians, but there might be a few in there that fit better as political philosophers than either target category. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


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Shinto shrines by faith
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hakusan shrines‎ (2 P) to Category:Mountain faith
 * Propose deleting Category:Hiyoshi shrines‎ (3 P)
 * Propose deleting Category:Katori shrines‎ (2 P)
 * Propose deleting Category:Kotohira shrines‎ (1 P)
 * Propose merging Category:Mitaki shrines‎ (3 P) to Category:Mountain faith
 * Propose deleting Category:Suitengu shrines‎ (3 P)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Further merge than proposed is not needed, the Shinto shrines are diffused by Japanese prefectures anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Mitaki shrines to Mountain faith at least.
 * Kotohira shrine is one which is fairly significant but most of the related articles are under review or otherwise not up yet. We could delete for now but I think they are important later on. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:05, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have added Mountain faith as a merge target for Mitaki shrines. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Members of British Ornithologists' Union
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Members of British Ornithologists' Union
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC & WP:NONDEFINING
 * The British Ornithologists' Union is a membership-based organisation founded in 1858. According to their |their membership page, standard membership is £45 a year but there are less expensive options for people in school (£20) and people in developing countries (£10). The sibling category for presidents of the group is definitely defining, but just paying dues is not. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, membership of anything is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Members of British International Studies Association
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 05:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:British International Studies Association
 * Propose Deleting Category:Members of British International Studies Association
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC & WP:NONDEFINING for the subcat; WP:SMALLCAT for the parent cat
 * The British International Studies Association is a membership-based organisation with over 1,500 members. According to their |their membership page, anyone can add themself to that number for £108 per year, although it's much less if you are a student or retiree. Paying dues online or mailing in a cheque is not defining. (No conceptual objection to the parent category, but it currently contains only this subcat plus the main article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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