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Category:Spanish manuscripts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Spanish-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish manuscripts to Category:Spanish-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in (proto-)Spanish (Castilian), written in Latin but by a 'Spanish' person, or written in Latin but discovered in Spain (WP:OCLOCATION) or preserved in Spain (by collection). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue with this proposal (as with the other manuscript category renaming proposals) is that the category does not refer to language nor to discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Spain—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We have Category:Latin manuscripts and it seems helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What Marcocapelle said. Of course, it is possible to create subcategories of Latin manuscripts (and there already are). Compare Category:Latin chronicles about France: the texts are about France, but they are written in Latin. A lot of items which were categorised as 'Spanish manuscripts' were written in Latin, and not about Spain, but about the Bible or patristics, for example, so their connection with 'Spain' (especially before 'Spain' existed in arguably 1479) is questionable.
 * I do not think it is clear, at all, from the items in this category tree Category:Manuscripts by area as a whole that they are meant to group manuscripts by area of production. As I said about Category:German manuscripts: these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans. In many cases we don't even know where it was "originally" written, because the provenance is often unclear. You can say based on internal linguistic arguments in what kind of language milieu the author lived or was influenced by, but that doesn't necessary tell you where the author actually put the pen to paper (or some other writing materials).
 * Elsewhere in the category tree, there has been significant mixups between manuscripts by area, language, topic, type, collection as well, so it is not at all clear what "area" even means, and it is explained differently in different parts of the tree. So it makes sense to go for something that is actually WP:DEFINING, like language in this case. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Association of African Universities

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 10:04, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Association of African Universities to article Association of African Universities
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic; listify in new section Association of African Universities. fgnievinski (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Convert, membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify This is a industry trade association and is not defining per WP:OCASSOC. (In contrast, accreditation authorities are usually defining.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Swiss manuscripts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Works about Switzerland and Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 10:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Swiss manuscripts to Category:Works about Switzerland and Category:History of Switzerland
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. 2 P. These mss aren't necessarily written in Switzerland or kept there (Cgm 558 is in Munich), but they are about (the history of) Switzerland. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but the second merge target may be changed more specifically to Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Italian manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Italian-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian manuscripts to Category:Italian-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in Italian, written in Latin or Greek but by an Italian, or written in Latin or Greek but discovered in Italy (WP:OCLOCATION). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The category does not refer to language, nor discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Italy—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle and I answered this question at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:German manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:German-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 10:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:German manuscripts to Category:German-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C child Category:Middle High German manuscripts, and WP:CATSPECIFIC: these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans. See also Category:German-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:French-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 10:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:French manuscripts to Category:French-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. They are all written in the French language (except the Cartulary of Mont-Saint-Michel, which is in Latin and would no longer fit the category), but not really about France. Armorial d'Auvergne is a roll of arms, BNF fr. 113–116 is a collection of Arthurian legends, and the last two are songs. See also Category:French-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The category does not refer to language, nor to topic of the manuscript. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in France—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle and I answered this question at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Greek manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Greek-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek manuscripts to Category:Greek-language manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. These manuscripts are written in the Greek language, they are not necessarily about Greece or the Greeks, nor necessarily written by Greeks or in Greece, nor necessarily found or preserved in Greece (this is especially true about the Septuagint manuscripts). See also Category:Greek-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per actual content, and current category name is too ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Finnish chronicles
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Finnish literature and Category:European chronicles and Category:History books about Finland. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Finnish chronicles to Category:Finnish literature, Category:Scandinavian chronicles, Category:European chronicles, and Category:History books about Finland
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but with three merge targets rather than four, the article should be in either Category:European chronicles (probably) or Category:Scandinavian chronicles (less likely). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Scandinavian manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting scandinavian manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P, which is already in Category:Swedish manuscripts anyway. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCLOCATION. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That's actually a great one to argue against manuscripts/chronicles by area/location/region/country, thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Swedish manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Chronicles about Sweden. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Swedish manuscripts to Category:Chronicles about Sweden
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. It's better to rename/rescope this to be 'about Sweden', because most of these are written in Latin, not Swedish, and some are preserved in collections outside Sweden. We're more talking about chronicles than the manuscripts of those chronicles anyway. See also Fayenatic and I talking about it elsewhere. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per actual content, and a less ambiguous category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts to Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: Mesoamerica is the pre-Columbian historical-cultural region. Middle America (Americas) is the modern region. This category is about Mesoamerica. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It sounds good. Originally, I named the category that way following John B. Glass's and Donald Robertson's classic work on the topic, "A Census of Native Middle American Pictorial Manuscripts" (1975). However, the suggested change seems sensible and makes the category more accurate for current readers. Tlakwilo (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad you agree! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bengali-language manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Bengali-language manuscripts to Category:Bengali-language literature
 * Propose merging Category:South Asian manuscripts to Category:Bengali-language literature
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P. I tried to populate it with items from Category:Indian manuscripts, but couldn't find any others (except two Assamese ones, but this is a (closely related but) separate language). Parent Category:South Asian manuscripts will thus also become empty. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The only article is already in Category:Indian manuscripts so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rulers of Monaco
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  ✗  plicit  07:27, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Monaco to Category:Monarchs of Monaco
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parents Category:Monarchs in Europe and Category:Monarchy in Monaco. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, more precise. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment a regent is not a monarch. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 19:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point. I propose we re-parent Category:Regents of Monaco from Category:Rulers of Monaco to all other current parents of Category:Rulers of Monaco (except Category:Monarchs in Europe):
 * Category:Government of Monaco
 * Category:Heads of state in Europe
 * Category:Monarchy in Monaco (regents are not monarchs, but they only exist in monarchies)
 * Category:Monegasque titles
 * Category:Monegasque people by occupation
 * Category:Political history of Monaco
 * Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Parenting to Category:Heads of state in Europe is not accurate. Regents represent the head of state, they are not the head of state themselves. Parenting to Category:Political history of Monaco just sounds a bit exaggerated, I'd say that Category:Monarchy in Monaco sufficiently covers it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I struck the two suggestions you oppose. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Update I've nominated Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco for deletion, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. 'Ruler' is a better catch-all term for the lords and princes of Monaco, which is why it is more widely used. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. More sensible to keep the Princes, Regents, and Lords together in this way. The Lords aren't really monarchs, either, but there's no reason why couldn't be a direct subcat of  (cf ). Mind you, I suppose we could always rename to  ;) Grutness...  wha?   11:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Alemannic rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Alemannic rulers to Category:Alemannic monarchs
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parent Category:Monarchs in Europe. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, most of them are described as kings. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No need to call dukes monarchs. Srnec (talk) 00:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In the earliest middle ages the words duke and king were used interchangeably to refer to the heads of Germanic tribes outside of Francia. They were monarchs in any case, as they were independent hereditary rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, not every early medieval duke was a monarch. Nothing is gained by calling the Alemannic rulers 'monarchs'. Nothing. It is useless conformity. Srnec (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, 'ruler' still appears to be a vague ambiguous catch-all for whatever anyone wants it to mean. From emperor for life with absolute hereditary power (which can only be challenged by violence) down to local elected mayor for a 1-year fixed term (but removable from office by formal legal procedure if they engage in some sort of mismanagement or misconduct). The list of offices for which I have seen 'ruler' used as a synonym on English Wikipedia still keeps growing. If anyone writes that Bar was a ruler of Foo, I still have no idea what Bar's position in Fooian society was. Fortunately, we have already cleared up most ambiguities to something more WP:DEFINING. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:4th-century rulers in Europe
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:4th-century European people, etc. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose downmerging Category:4th-century rulers in Europe to Category:4th-century monarchs in Europe
 * Propose downmerging Category:5th-century rulers in Europe to Category:5th-century monarchs in Europe
 * Propose downmerging Category:6th-century rulers in Europe to Category:6th-century monarchs in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 0 P, 1 C. See precedent Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Downmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:4th-century European people etc, as there is no rationale for removing the "monarchs in Europe" sub-cats from that hierarchy. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point. After so many years of experience I am still occasionally overseeing merge necessaties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. How do I phrase a nomination like that in the future? By adding 'Keep in Category:4th-century European people' or something? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Simply Merge Category:4th-century rulers in Europe to Category:4th-century European people. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Norwegian manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Norwegian manuscripts to Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts
 * Propose re-parenting from Category:Manuscripts by area to Category:Manuscripts by language; re-parent from Category:History of Norway and Category:Works about Norway to Category:Norwegian-language works
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC To make clear this category is by language, not by country/area, and to match category description This category contains pages on manuscripts in the Old Norwegian language, i.e. from the earliest fragments of the 12th century to the mid-16th century. (...) We might want to trim this description a bit, because it's unnecessarily long and argumentative for simply explaining the category's purpose. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5 (which might be merged into it), and Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27 (where I argue to change the scope from 'by area' to 'by topic'). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * you may find this interesting. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per category description, and a less ambiguous category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas to Category:American football in El Paso, Texas and Category:Sports clubs and teams in El Paso, Texas
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (1 C, 1 P). –Aidan721 (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cemeteries in Odesa
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cemeteries in Odesa to Category:Buildings and structures in Odesa and Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:Cemeteries in Lviv to Category:Buildings and structures in Lviv and Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:Cemeteries in Chernihiv to Category:Buildings and structures in Chernihiv and Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine
 * Propose merging Category:Cemeteries in İzmir to Category:Buildings and structures in İzmir and Category:Cemeteries in Turkey
 * Propose merging Category:Cemeteries in Tel Aviv to Category:Buildings and structures in Tel Aviv and Category:Cemeteries in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area
 * Propose merging Category:Jewish cemeteries in Hong Kong to Category:Cemeteries in Hong Kong, Category:Jews and Judaism in Hong Kong and Category:Jewish cemeteries
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per WP:SMALLCAT User:Namiba 13:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. (Open to broader discussion about the parent categories.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:La Ferme Célébrités participants
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting la ferme célébrités participants
 * Nominator's rationale: As celebrity contestants on a reality TV show, these fail WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  11:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Clear WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Sports in the United States by city
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in the United States by city and sport to Category:Sports in the United States by populated place and sport
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in the United States by sport and city to Category:Sports in the United States by sport and populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American football in the United States by city to Category:American football in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American football teams in the United States by city to Category:American football teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:American football venues in the United States by city to Category:American football venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Players of American football by city or town in the United States to Category:Players of American football by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Baseball in the United States by city to Category:Baseball in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Baseball teams in the United States by city to Category:Baseball teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Baseball venues in the United States by city to Category:Baseball venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Baseball players by city or town in the United States to Category:Baseball players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball in the United States by city to Category:Basketball in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball teams in the United States by city to Category:Basketball teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball venues in the United States by city to Category:Basketball venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball players by city or town in the United States to Category:Basketball players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Boxing in the United States by city to Category:Boxing in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Boxing venues in the United States by city to Category:Boxing venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Boxers by city or town in the United States to Category:Boxing players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Cricket in the United States by city to Category:Cricket in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Cricketers by city or town in the United States to Category:Cricketers by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Cycling in the United States by city to Category:Cycling in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Cyclists by city or town in the United States to Category:Cyclists by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Golf in the United States by city to Category:Golf in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by city to Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Golfers by city or town in the United States to Category:Golfers by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics in the United States by city to Category:Gymnastics in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by city to Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Gymnasts by city or town in the United States to Category:Gymnasts by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Horse racing in the United States by city to Category:Horse racing in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Horse trainers by city or town in the United States to Category:Horse trainers by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Jockeys by city or town in the United States to Category:Jockeys by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey in the United States by city to Category:Ice hockey in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by city to Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by city to Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in the United States to Category:Ice hockey players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Lacrosse in the United States by city to Category:Lacrosse in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by city to Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Motorsport in the United States by city to Category:Motorsport in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Motorcycle racers by city or town in the United States to Category:Motorcycle racers in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Racing drivers by city or town in the United States to Category:Racing drivers in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Rugby union in the United States by city to Category:Rugby union in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by city to Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by city to Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sailing in the United States by city to Category:Sailing in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Soccer in the United States by city to Category:Soccer in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by city to Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Soccer venues in the United States by city to Category:Soccer venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Soccer players by city or town in the United States to Category:Soccer players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Softball in the United States by city to Category:Softball in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Softball teams in the United States by city to Category:Softball teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Softball venues in the United States by city to Category:Softball venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Swimming in the United States by city to Category:Swimming in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Swimming venues in the United States by city to Category:Swimming venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Swimmers by city or town in the United States to Category:Swimmers by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Tennis in the United States by city to Category:Tennis in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Tennis venues in the United States by city to Category:Tennis venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Tennis players by city or town in the United States to Category:Tennis players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Track and field in the United States by city to Category:Track and field in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by city to Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Track and field athletes by city or town in the United States to Category:Track and field athletes by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Volleyball in the United States by city to Category:Volleyball in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by city to Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Volleyball players by city or town in the United States to Category:Volleyball players by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Wrestling in the United States by city to Category:Wrestling in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city to Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in the United States by state and city to Category:Sports in the United States by state and populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and city to Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in California by city to Category:Sports venues in California by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Florida by city to Category:Sports venues in Florida by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Illinois by city to Category:Sports venues in Illinois by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Indiana by city to Category:Sports venues in Indiana by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by city to Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by city to Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by city to Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by city to Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in Texas by city to Category:Sports venues in Texas by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Alabama by city to Category:Sports in Alabama by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Alaska by city to Category:Sports in Alaska by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Arizona by city to Category:Sports in Arizona by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Arkansas by city to Category:Sports in Arkansas by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in California by city to Category:Sports in California by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Colorado by city to Category:Sports in Colorado by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Connecticut by city to Category:Sports in Connecticut by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Delaware by city to Category:Sports in Delaware by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Florida by city to Category:Sports in Florida by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by city to Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Hawaii by city to Category:Sports in Hawaii by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Idaho by city to Category:Sports in Idaho by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Illinois by city to Category:Sports in Illinois by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Indiana by city to Category:Sports in Indiana by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Iowa by city to Category:Sports in Iowa by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Kansas by city to Category:Sports in Kansas by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Kentucky by city to Category:Sports in Kentucky by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Louisiana by city to Category:Sports in Louisiana by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Maine by city to Category:Sports in Maine by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Maryland by city to Category:Sports in Maryland by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Massachusetts by city to Category:Sports in Massachusetts by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Michigan by city to Category:Sports in Michigan by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Minnesota by city to Category:Sports in Minnesota by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Mississippi by city to Category:Sports in Mississippi by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Missouri by city to Category:Sports in Missouri by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Montana by city to Category:Sports in Montana by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Nebraska by city to Category:Sports in Nebraska by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Nevada by city to Category:Sports in Nevada by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in New Hampshire by city to Category:Sports in New Hampshire by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in New Jersey by city to Category:Sports in New Jersey by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in New Mexico by city to Category:Sports in New Mexico by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in New York (state) by city to Category:Sports in New York (state) by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in North Carolina by city to Category:Sports in North Carolina by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in North Dakota by city to Category:Sports in North Dakota by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Ohio by city to Category:Sports in Ohio by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Oklahoma by city to Category:Sports in Oklahoma by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Oregon by city to Category:Sports in Oregon by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by city to Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Rhode Island by city to Category:Sports in Rhode Island by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in South Carolina by city to Category:Sports in South Carolina by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in South Dakota by city to Category:Sports in South Dakota by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Tennessee by city to Category:Sports in Tennessee by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Texas by city to Category:Sports in Texas by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Utah by city to Category:Sports in Utah by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Vermont by city to Category:Sports in Vermont by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Virginia by city to Category:Sports in Virginia by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Washington (state) by city to Category:Sports in Washington (state) by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in West Virginia by city to Category:Sports in West Virginia by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Wisconsin by city to Category:Sports in Wisconsin by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports in Wyoming by city to Category:Sports in Wyoming by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports competitions in the United States by city to Category:Sports competitions in the United States by populated place
 * Propose merging Category:Sportspeople by city in the United States to Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Sportspeople by town in the United States to Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports coaches by city or town in the United States to Category:Sports coaches by populated place in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports teams in the United States by city to Category:Sports teams in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports teams in California by city to Category:Sports teams in California by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Baseball teams in California by city to Category:Baseball teams in California by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports venues in the United States by city to Category:Sports venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by city to Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by city to Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by populated place
 * Propose renaming Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by city to Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename all to match Category:Sports in the United States by populated place. Many of these categories include places that are not designated as cities. For history, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_19. Additionally merge and  to . –Aidan721 (talk) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Almost nobody calls a city or town a "populated place" in general conversation; it's "city" or "town".  If you must rename it, have it be "By Municipality"-it's certainly more commonly used than "populated place." Tom Danson (talk) 21:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Tom, "Municipality" has a different definition in every state. "Populated place" is defined by USGS and is used in WP to define all cities, towns, villages, etc. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply here because...? Tom Danson (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Support all Given the precedent, these can probably be speedily renamed.--User:Namiba 13:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all there are numerous types of populated places in the USA and this name covers that better without naming which type, the definition if which is not important for the category.Djflem (talk)
 * Comment I thought the splitter was meant to be at the end, which most of these adhere to? Crowsus (talk) 09:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all but agree with that the splitter should be at the end. So rename  Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States to Category:Sportspeople in the United States by populated place. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We have Category:People by populated place in the United States. The tree is much deeper. Moving the splitter would be incorrect. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Doping cases in Australian soccer
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Australian sportspeople in doping cases and Category:Doping cases in association football. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 09:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting doping cases in australian soccer
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:NARROWCAT, only three articles in the category. Should be upmerged to and . S.A. Julio (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. GiantSnowman 17:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kapiti Coast District
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, but this seems to have been done out of process. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 10:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Proposed renaming Category:Kapiti Coast District to Category:Kāpiti Coast District
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D The main page of the category is Kāpiti Coast District which has the macron in it.Panamitsu (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Medieval documents of Norway
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