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Category:Rulers of Dos Pilas

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Dos Pilas to Category:Kings of Dos Pilas
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of kings of Dos Pilas; all bios in this list identify each person as a "king" as well. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting establishments in the kingdom of israel (united monarchy)
 * Nominator's rationale: This was created by Greyshark who is not currently editing. He only populated it with Beersheba, perhaps because Saul is said to have built a fort there; but in the Bible, Beersheba is first mentioned in connection with Abraham. If the category is not deleted, City of David (archaeological site), Solomon's Temple and Millo would belong there, and perhaps Stepped Stone Structure, Large Stone Structure (Bronze Age Jerusalem) & the redirect Solomon's palace. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, plus the fact that there is great controversy surrounding the very historicity of this state. You'll find most modern scholars today saying that if there was a "king David" who reigned in Jerusalem, he was probably more like a chieftain on a hillfort. Archaeologists claim that the population of Jerusalem wouldn't have been large enough to sustain an army to control as much territory as various Hebrew Bible passages claim. Whether Tel Be'er Sheva is biblical Beersheba, let alone whether the Davidic dynasty controlled it, let alone whether it was established during that time, or earlier or later, are very much open questions. I don't think it's responsible to have a category like this about such an uncertain period, as it implies great certainty where there is little. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — WP:SMALLCAT mythological period of roughly 30 years that nobody seems to be able to locate within several hundred years. Therefore, unable to accurately populate with a year of establishment.
 * Delete as SMALLCAT, whose content is dubious. The rationale given by Nederlandse Leeuw is contrary to the practice of WP, which accepts Biblical texts for what they appear to be, not according to modern sceptical theories.  It does the same with other mythical or legendary texts, which are much less credible.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really. Religious texts are WP:PRIMARY sources that are never taken at face value, except for direct quotations and such. Religious texts have no special status over other mythical or legendary texts, and they are not considered much [more] credible just because lay people have faith in them. We still need WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (preferably scholarly ones) to critically analyse them. See also Template:Religious text primary. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Monarchs by religion
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Category:Rulers in the Achaemenid Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, purge & reparent. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose downmerging Category:Rulers in the Achaemenid Empire to Category:Kings of the Achaemenid Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: Needless cat in between. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a bit too quick. Articles in the category are mostly about client monarchs of vassal states. There is also at least one regent of the Achaemenid Empire among them. Rather upmerge this category to Category:People from the Achaemenid Empire and create a new subcategory for client monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm perhaps you are right.... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Vassals of the Achaemenid Empire, purge, and re-parent. Vassal kings of a larger empire are still kings. Call them whatever they called themselves.
 * They are kings, ok, but they are not kings of the Achaemenid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood: "of". For example, Yatonmilk is in Category:Kings of Sidon. But not all Kings of Sidon were vassals in/of the Achaemenid Empire. Better to rename and purge. Modified my !vote.
 * Rename/reparent/purge has the same effect as merge/create new subcat, so that is fine with me. It should be listed for manual work in any case. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rulers of Cappadocia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Cappadocia to Category:Monarchs of Cappadocia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of monarchs of Cappadocia. (List of Achaemenid satraps of Cappadocia has been split off, as governors aren't "rulers"). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Private detectives and investigators

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Private detectives and investigators to Category:Private investigators
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, the two categories are parent and subcategory of each other at the same time, and the difference between them is unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to simpler common name. Circular categorization breaks the tree. While some called themselves detectives at the time, nowadays they are legally called investigators. Recently merged Detectives for the same reason.
 * Support merger/move to Category:Private investigators.--AHI-3000 (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Alanic rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Alanic rulers to Category:Alanic kings
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B established practice: all people in this cat are described as "kings". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Finnish legal television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Finnish legal television series to Category:Legal television series
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In this case there was no need to merge, as the article is already in other categories for both Finnish and legal TV series. But there are now two members. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, supporting both the above comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Estonian landowners

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Estonian landowners to Category:Landowners and Category:Estonian farmers and Category:Estonian businesspeople
 * Propose merging Category:Icelandic landowners to Category:Landowners and Category:Icelandic farmers and Category:Icelandic businesspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge at least to Category:Landowners. The other two merge targets seem less appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Finnish people convicted of kidnapping

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting finnish people convicted of kidnapping
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article already suitable categorized Estopedist1 (talk) 19:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Scythian rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Scythian rulers to Category:Scythian kings
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B established practice: all 20 people in this cat are called "kings" (except Olthacus, who is called a "chief"), and Scythia and Iškuza are both commonly identified as "kingdoms". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Cimmerian rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cimmerian rulers to Category:Cimmerian kings
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C and WP:C2D: it's in Category:Thracian kings, and all three people in it are described as "Cimmerian king". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per actual category content, but I think that Category:Thracian kings is a wrong parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and re-oarent.


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Category:Rulers of Pontus
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Category:People associated with Stonehenge

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Archaeologists of Stonehenge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People associated with Stonehenge to Category:Stonehenge archaeologists
 * Nominator's rationale: rename and purge per WP:OCASSOC and re-parent to Category:Archaeologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Alt? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and re-parent — but keep parent Category:People associated with buildings and structures.
 * Rename much clearer scope. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename as nom -- this is clear and precise. It may be objected that a few of the people were antiquaries rather than archaeologists, but I do not think that matters.  The Wallies of Wessex needs to be moved to Category:Stonehenge as they were not archaeologists.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ALT The nom target sounds like a city where lots of archaeologists live. I'd prefer more precision like Category:Archaeologists of Stonehenge. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * (as nom) LL's alternative is slightly more precise indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Archaeologists of Stonehenge is better.
 * Support Category:Archaeologists of Stonehenge, but The Wallies of Wessex still needs to be purged. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Depictions of people on film
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Category:Virtue

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Virtue to Category:Concepts in ethics
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, not a useful additional categorization &#32;- car chasm (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose it could also be converted to a list. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or delete, don't merge because it would further increase the mess of Category:Concepts in ethics. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Does not match WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, which speaks about subjective decriptive words. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep — these each seem to be defined as a virtue. The topic has plenty of references. This is not a people category, so not a problem with subjective labels.


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Category:Lithuanian National Prize
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Category:Rulers of Sparta
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Sparta to Category:Kings of Sparta
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of kings of Sparta. WP:C2B all three subcats are titled "x kings of Sparta". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Rulers of Epirus
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Category:WarnerMedia
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 * The result of the discussion was: redirect. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WarnerMedia to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't know what the state of this category was at the time of the previous CfD discussion last year, but only one page now remains in this category: the main article. All other WB assets and subcats have since been moved to Category:Warner Bros. Discovery, and no new pages will be added to this category in the foreseeable future. As the predecessor to WBD, the WarnerMedia page should be moved there as well, leaving this category up for either merging or deletion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the WBD cat through per nom. Typically, per WP:CATREDIRECT, unpopulated cats should be deleted, though if others feel strongly for it to be retained in some fashion, redirection would be ideal. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect


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Category:Finnish homeopaths
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Category:Streets and roads of Cape Town
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Streets and roads of Cape Town to Category:Roads in Cape Town
 * Nominator's rationale: There are more than enough categories representing "Roads in Cape Town", such as Category:Roads in Cape Town and Category:Streets in Cape Town. GeographicAccountant (talk) 08:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Digital paintings by Jenny Parks
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Digital paintings by Jenny Parks to Category:Digital art
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the category only contains one file. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge


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Category:Non-fungible token
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 * The result of the discussion was: combine respectively. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Non-fungible token to Category:Non-fungible tokens
 * Nominator's rationale: Pluralize; this is primarily a set category listing individual non-fungible tokens, not a topic category. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Blockchain and auctions to Category:Non-fungible tokens
 * Nominator's rationale: All 3 articles placed directily in this category are in fact about non-fungible tokens. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and Merge respectively.


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