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Category:Judges of ancient Israel

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Hebrew Bible judges. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Judges of ancient Israel to Category:Biblical judges
 * Alt renaming Category:Judges of ancient Israel to Category:Book of Judges judges
 * Alt 2 renaming Category:Judges of ancient Israel to Category:Hebrew Bible judges
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D Biblical judges. PS: See however Talk:Biblical judges.
 * Alt rationale: WP:C2C per parent Category:Book of Judges people and sibling Category:Book of Judges monarchs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt 2 rationale: WP:C2C per grandparent Category:Hebrew Bible people, and to prevent confusion with "judges" mentioned in the New Testament and the Deuterocanonical books. See also Talk:Biblical judges. (Added on the recommendation of Marcocapelle, Fayenatic and William Allen Simpson). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Support primary nomination per WP:C2D. In another CfD discussion User:Fayenatic london proposed that Moses and Joshua should be added to this category, then the alternative name would certainly not be applicable. In addition Eli (biblical figure) is in this category who is also not from the book of Judges. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Category:Biblical judges . Notably, after the Book of Judges, there is also Samuel. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment At Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 6 (as Fayenatic and Marco pointed out), there is a discussion about whether Moses and Joshua could be considered "judges" or not, which is directly relevant to this CfR. Primary nom WP:C2D Biblical judges would be broad and could theoretically encompass Moses and Joshua (or indeed Eli). Alt nom WP:C2C per parent Category:Book of Judges people and sibling Category:Book of Judges monarchs would be more specific and rule out Moses and Joshua (because Joshua isn't mentioned in the Book of Judges, and e.g. Exodus 18 isn't in it either). Because the main article is currently Biblical judges, I had made that the primary nom.
 * But (as nom) I currently prefer the Alt nom WP:C2C "by book" approach, Category:Book of Judges judges, because it is objective (it's either explicitly mentioned in the specific book, or it's not), while endless WP:SUBJECTIVECAT arguments can be made about whether Moses and Joshua can be counted as "judges" or not if the text is ambiguous and you need to make cross-books analyses and interpretations (which Wikipedia shouldn't do, because of WP:SYNTH). I think that therefore the WP:C2C approach (which I had initially incorrectly called WP:C2B) of established category trees is a much safer approach to make both categorisation and navigation easier, less ambiguous and less contentious. And I know that Book of Judges judges may seem a little tautological, but I propose it exactly to clear up this confusion about supposed "judges" mentioned elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: William Allen Simpson had a very good point that even if you want to include Moses and Joshua as "judges", they are probably not best described as "of ancient Israel". Both options solve that problem. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case I would prefer Category:Hebrew Bible judges including Moses, Joshua, Eli and Samuel. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How is that different from "Biblical judges"? Are there judges in the New Testament or Deuterocanonicals? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies, of course it is not. The discussion was about objectivity and I had in mind that judges from the Hebrew Bible isn't any less subjective than judges from the book of Judges. Anyway, I am still supporting Category:Biblical judges only, this is a category by occupation and I do not see why it is helpful to remove 4 articles about that occupation by limiting the category to one book. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hebrew Bible judges is a good alternative, within . It would avoid e.g. Pilate being added. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. Then Category:Hebrew Bible judges including Moses, Joshua, Eli and Samuel appears to be the best solution after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Why would anyone add Pilate? Just because he presided over the "trial of Jesus" at Pilate's court doesn't make him a "biblical judge". He's just the Roman governor (prefect) of Judea. He's not mentioned in Biblical judges or Template:Judges, both of which explicitly limit the "biblical judges" to the Hebrew Bible. Likewise the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus doesn't portray the Sanhedrin as "judges", they are first and foremost priests, clerics. If I'm not wrong, the New Testament never identifies any specific person in the narrative as a "judge", except
 * in some teachings of Jesus, e.g. "Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison." (Matthew 5:25), where the judge is unnamed, or
 * in some parables, e.g. the Parable of the Unjust Judge in Luke 18, where the judge is again unnamed, or
 * in analogies wherein the Christian God has the role of a judge, e.g. "Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?" (Romans 3:6). But you wouldn't categorise Category:God in Christianity as Category:Biblical judges, would you?
 * If we are really worried about confusion, then Category:Book of Judges judges is the best grouping we can go for. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * to make this work, we'll need concurrent consensus at the main article. Talk:Biblical judges.
 * Good initiative, I'm glad you're proposing it. I'm giving weak support for it over there. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Hebrew Bible judges and re-parent under Category:Hebrew Bible people — contra WP:C2D. One of the rare instances where it would be better to rename the main article to match the categories. The relevant parent category is Category:Hebrew Bible people under Category:Hebrew Bible. Exclude New Testament. The main article title hasn't changed recently, and the content is well beyond Book of Judges, so I've also proposed Talk:Biblical judges. These will need to be done together.
 * Good initiative, I'm glad you're proposing it. I'm giving weak support for it over there. Would you like me to add this as option "Alt 2" or something, or should we put this nom on hold until we reach consensus at the main article talk page? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Added as option "Alt 2". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Hebrew Bible judges. This does not depend on the page being renamed; consensus here can override Speedy criteria.– Fayenatic  L ondon 23:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Germanic women by century

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 23:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting germanic women by century
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS: people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career. Having a native language that belongs to a certain language family is WP:NONDEFINING for an individual's career. To the first cat, WP:SMALLCAT also applies (1 child 0 items). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, the word "Germanic" is used for ancient and early medieval peoples, and for a language family. The category content matches neither of them. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Germanic peoples and various category trees also maintain this notion that we can no longer talk about "Germanic people(s)" after the early Middle Ages. I'm starting with these relatively easy cases before moving on to more complicated related cats containing the word "Germanic", where it results in similar problems. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Language family is not a correct way to categorize people. A container category for Liechtenstein, Luxembourgian, Norman, Frankish and English people (and, in the case of the parent category, Gothic and Rus' people as well) makes no sense. Place Clichy (talk) 23:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders baseball coaches

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Shippensburg Raiders baseball coaches. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 23:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders baseball coaches to Category:Shippensburg Raiders baseball coaches
 * Nominator's rationale: The use of "Red Raiders" to refer to school teams is unsanctioned per page 3 of its Visual Identity and Brand Guide. I propose merging these categories to the one without the word "Red". This is in conjunction with another CFD about renaming various related categories. —ADavidB 21:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support


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Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders to Category:Shippensburg Raiders
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders athletic directors to Category:Shippensburg Raiders athletic directors
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders baseball to Category:Shippensburg Raiders baseball
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders baseball players to Category:Shippensburg Raiders baseball players
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders basketball to Category:Shippensburg Raiders basketball
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders men's basketball to Category:Shippensburg Raiders men's basketball
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders football to Category:Shippensburg Raiders football
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders football coaches to Category:Shippensburg Raiders football coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders football players to Category:Shippensburg Raiders football players
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders football seasons to Category:Shippensburg Raiders football seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:Shippensburg Red Raiders seasons to Category:Shippensburg Raiders seasons
 * Nominator's rationale: The use of "Red Raiders" to refer to school teams is unsanctioned per page 3 of its Visual Identity and Brand Guide. I propose renaming these categories to those without the word "Red". Pruning the category tree may be appropriate as well. —ADavidB 20:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination, per main article (Shippensburg Raiders), and per common usage. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support ADavidB these changes are eligible for speedy renaming WP:CFDS under criterion C2D: Consistency with main article's name, so I recommend that you use that process for any similar future nominations. As this nomination is eligible for speedy renaming, it can be closed by an admin after 48 hours if there are no objections. TSventon (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support on the grounds of consistency with the main article's name, while noting that the university's brand guidelines are not relevant to the name of Wikipedia articles or categories except in so far as they influence the common name used. Robminchin (talk) 14:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:European monarchs
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 25%23Category:European monarchs

Category:Extra genres
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Pages using infobox Asian comic series with genre. No consensus over which target to rename to, but the current name is clearly unsuitable, so I've gone with the nom's target. @, feel free to start another discussion over this. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Extra genres to Category:Pages using infobox Asian comic series with genre
 * Nominator's rationale: It's a standard to identify what template and what parameter is being used. Gonnym (talk) 14:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:40, 7 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Asian comic series with genre — WP:C2C with large number of others in Category:Comics tracking categories. There are 2 outliers with "Pages using" that should be renamed as well.
 * Or rather WP:C2C with the over 900+ other templates on the site that use this style. Gonnym (talk) 19:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Television news program articles using incorrect naming style
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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete category; use template rather than adding category directly.. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose cleanup discussion television news program articles using incorrect naming style
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a hidden maintenance category; it's not inherently invalid, but there is a structural problem that may require reconsideration of how best to organize it. The problem is that it's both hidden and directly declared on articles rather than being transcluded by a maintenance template, meaning that it's effectively invisible to editors and thus doesn't get removed if and when the problem that necessitated adding it to the article in the first place gets corrected — for example, I just had to do an WP:AWB run to remove it from a full one-third of its former contents because the pages had already been moved to fix the relevant titling problem three or four years ago. As well, there are several articles here for which I'm unclear on any potential alternative that they could be renamed to — for example, there are several British regional news programs that share the same title as each other and thus are disambiguated by region, but that seems very much like the only viable option for disambiguating newscasts in that situation, and thus it's questionable whether they belong here at all. So this may potentially need to be transferred to a maintenance template, so that pages that get corrected and have their template removed accordingly are automatically dropped from the category instead of having to get noticed and cleaned up years later — but as a directly declared and simultaneously hidden category, it isn't working. Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose deletion (as creator), but the fact that 1/3 of the pages in it had their page moved to a correct title means that the category works. The issue with editors not removing it is indeed regrettable, but doesn't negate its usefulness. Gonnym (talk) 14:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't propose deletion, I merely proposed changing how it's used. But it's doubtful that it "works", exactly, since given its invisible nature there's no evidence that the category was responsible for the page titles getting corrected (especially since the other 2/3 didn't get corrected at the same time). This kind of thing really only works if it's intrusive enough (e.g. a big maintenance template at the top of the article) that people see it and feel motivated to fix it. Bearcat (talk) 14:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As the mover of Tagesschau (Italian TV programme)‎ and Tagesschau (German TV programme), to which I saw Bearcat's removal of the category, I can say that I had no idea of this category's existence. --  AxG /  ✉  22:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:40, 7 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Replace with template then Delete — with a template, there's no need for a category. In the past, we always used "What links here" on the template.
 * Maintenance categories that group pages with a specific maintenance template on them are perfectly reasonable things to have, and indeed often are used (e.g. ). This certainly does need to be associated with a template so that it's visible, and automatically removed when resolved, but it's not an inherently unreasonable category on principle. Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * et alia are done with the engine or a bot. These are tagged by a human (or a very specific bot). A template is both better and sufficient. In the old days, I'd include a link to What Links Here on the template itself; one click maintenance, less computationally intensive than a template+category. We only started to use categories once we had parser functions to detect very specific errors. This is about page titles, no parser functions needed.
 * is not "done with the engine or a bot" — it's a category, structured the same as any other category, and it's merely transcluded by the application of a maintenance template to the page instead of being directly declared as a statement in its own right. Which is all I'm asking for here: I'm not asking for it to be deleted, I'm asking for it to become associated with a maintenance template so that editors know it's there because there's a maintenance template on the page. Bearcat (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Once upon a time, there was a maintenance report found under Special:SpecialPages. Nowadays it must have better automation? Surely nobody is placing a template by hand anymore?
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Just replace with template. I don't see a need to delete the category, but this isn't helpful as a manully-added category.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1679743151077:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_16" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  11:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what is being proposed here: would it be a new banner template that would be displayed at the top and would also populate this category? IIUC, most siblings listed at Template:Infobox_television use Module:Infobox television to calculate that various other things are incorrect. There are also other siblings such as Category:Television channel articles with incorrect naming style and Category:Television articles with disputed naming style which are manually added like this one, and which should presumably be nominated and added to this discussion via a relisting. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The infobox categories are based upon parameters on the module/template(s) itself. This is different, as it requires editor judgment about style. suggests a new template, something like uncategorized with a date parameter. My suggestion is the new template doesn't even need to be as complicated, because we can use Special What Links here on the template instead of populating a category. But everybody (so far) agrees we need a template, and probably somebody to place it on the pages already in this category. Don't waste more time with a relisting. Once this is agreed upon, just list the others for consensus in the next pass.
 * It's not standard to use "what links here" on the template as an alternative to a maintenance category. The standard practice is that maintenance templates populate maintenance categories; they're typically hidden so that they're not getting in the way of casual reader browsing, but making this hidden without an associated template was exactly the problem here. Bearcat (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the idea is to transfer this from a direct category declaration to a maintenance template of some sort. The infobox wouldn't likely be able to detect the problem, however — it can detect parameters in the infobox template itself that are doing incorrect things, but I don't really see how we could make the template sentient enough to detect a mismatch between the title of the article being "series" while the content of the article was describing a newscast given that the content of the infobox isn't the issue. So this would indeed need to be a banner, because I don't see how we can make the infobox detect a problem in the article that doesn't pertain to the infobox itself.
 * As for the other categories, I didn't see them as they weren't involved at the article where I came across this one — but at this point, I don't see "add them to this discussion and then relist yet again" as a useful solution. Either they can just be automatically treated the same way as whatever happens here, or they can be listed for their own separate discussion based on the outcome, but there's not much point in prolonging this for yet another relist. Bearcat (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have started Template:Television incorrect naming style to place articles into this category or four of its siblings. Does that seem a good start for now? Happy to have it renamed before closure of this CFD, or revised as you see fit. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:EMD 60 Series locomotives
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting emd 60 series locomotives
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:SMALLCAT. Only 2 members, no reasonable prospects for growth. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is no parent category so I assume a merge is not needed. At least the articles are already in Category:Electro-Motive Division locomotives. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 22:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:EMD 50 Series locomotives
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting emd 50 series locomotives
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:SMALLCAT. Only 2 members, no reasonable prospect for growth. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is no parent category so I assume a merge is not needed. At least the articles are already in Category:Electro-Motive Division locomotives. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 22:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:7th-century churches in Austria
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:7th-century churches in Austria
 * Nominator's rationale: isolated single-article category while Austria did not exist yet. A merge is not needed, as the article is already in Category:Churches completed in 696. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:British Hong Kong emigrants
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Hong Kong emigrants to Category:Emigrants from British Hong Kong
 * Propose renaming Category:British Hong Kong emigrants to China to Category:Emigrants from British Hong Kong to China
 * Nominator's rationale: More duplicate and inconsistent categories by Mr Lambert. The target follows the more common pattern within Category:Emigrants from British Hong Kong. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I changed the nomination to what I think you meant. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support — although this seems overkill. Every place Britain invaded has its own emigrant/immigrant tree?


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Emigrants by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Emigrants by country or departure
 * Propose deleting Category:Emigrants from the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the United Arab Emirates to the United Kingdom to Category:Emirati emigrants to the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge/delete this set of duplicate categories created last August by Johnpacklambert. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge Category:Emigrants from the United Arab Emirates to the United Kingdom. Down with the tyranny of demenyns. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "Fooian emigrants" is the established naming pattern in Category:Emigrants by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I know. But it's wrong. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge/delete per nom. It fits with Category:Emirati people. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge as nominated, demonyms are currently the standard. Changing would require a different nomination.


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Category:Protestants from insular areas of the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Protestants from insular areas of the United States to Category:Protestants by insular area of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Per parent and sibling categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No objection to renaming, but with only three subcats I would rather suggest merging to Category:Protestants from dependent territories and Category:American Protestants. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support renaming. When I created this category I found inconsistency between People by insular area and People from insular areas (Educators, Farmers...) and even People of insular areas (Sportspeople and subcategories). I disagree with upmerging however. After all, there are only 5 inhabited insular territories of the U.S., and that's not a reason to completely delete this hierarchy. Also, some pernickety editors keep moving such categories about insular areas out of geographically diffused categories because they are not states, so having this intermediate level also avoids placing the content in non-diffused parent US categories. There was some talk here to rename such categories still named by state to by state or territory (per Category:Categories by state or territory of the United States) but this was done for too few categories unfortunately. Place Clichy (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:India–Pakistan cricket rivalry in popular culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting india–pakistan cricket rivalry in popular culture
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only one article and cannot see any other valid targets for this category. Notwithstanding the fact that this article is about multiple adverts, of which only 1 is related to India-Pakistan at all, I therefore oppose an upmerge, and prefer a straight delete (as it's WP:OVERCAT to add this to the parent category). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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Category:India–Pakistan cricket rivalry at Finals
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting india–pakistan cricket rivalry at finals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, we don't need a specific category for Finals of tournaments where India and Pakistan played each other. Of the 4 articles in the category, 1986 Austral-Asia Cup Final makes no mention of the rivalry, and 2011 Cricket World Cup 2nd semi-final isn't a final (it's a semi-final), leaving 2 articles with some mention of the rivalry, both of which can be upmerged to the general rivalry category. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Manually merge to Category:India–Pakistan cricket rivalry per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Manually merge per Marcocapelle.


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Category:Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people to Category:People of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
 * Nominator's rationale: The same as below. Skovl (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Down with the tyranny of demonyms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2023
 * Comment I can support "from" too. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If change is required it should be Category:People from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, using "from", see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 4. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with using "from". Skovl (talk) 17:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to "from" per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to "from" per precedent. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:People from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth


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Category:Austro-Hungarian people
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 * The result of the discussion was: combine repsectively Category:Austro-Hungarian people and Category:People of the Austro-Hungarian Empire to Category:People from Austria-Hungary (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Austro-Hungarian people to Category:People of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: I created the target without realising that this category existed. For former countries, particularly multi-ethnic empires, I think that the "People of Foo" form work works best. The demonym attaches a degree of unity to people that is more imagined than real. Down with the tyranny of demonyms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I can support "from" too. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename the first, merge the second, to Category:People from the Austro-Hungarian Empire . It is now our standard to use "from", see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 4. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As stated below, the target should be Category:People from Austria-Hungary. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and merge to "from" per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename to Category:People from Austria-Hungary per WP:C2B Category:Austria-Hungary, Austria-Hungary etc.. No need to add "Empire", that is much less common; no sibling uses "Empire". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No need to add "Empire", that is a good point too. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename to Category:People from Austria-Hungary per above. --Skovl (talk) 08:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Austro-Hungarian people (older history) and Merge Category:People of the Austro-Hungarian Empire respectively to Category:People from Austria-Hungary
 * Question: renaming most sub-cats of Category:Austro-Hungarian people by occupation will be straightforward, but what should Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel of World War I become? Category:Military personnel of World War I from Austria-Hungary? A pattern is now needed for others e.g. Category:British Somaliland people of World War II, which now has a "People from" parent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That seems unnecessary. They were in service of the state, thus defined by the state. There is no risk of confusion between nationality and ethnicity here, I think. Besides, my feeling would phrase it the other way around, putting the war first: Category:World War I Austro-Hungarian military personnel. But Category:World War I military personnel of Austro-Hungary also seems fine. The point is "of" indicates they were in service of the state, while "from" indicates they were born there or had Austro-Hungarian nationality, which isn't relevantin this case (and perhaps wasn't even required in order to enlist). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hungarian-speaking territorial units in Croatia
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Category:Kven language municipalities
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 00:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kven language municipalities
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 item. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete


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