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Category:Films based on novels by Ed McBain

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films based on novels by Ed McBain to Category:Films based on novels by Evan Hunter
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D (Evan Hunter). Trivialist (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename WP:C2D


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Category:ART Giants Düsseldorf players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting art giants düsseldorf players
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. I tried to expand the category, but I only found two members. The team itself does not currently have an article, and it plays in a second-tier league, so many of its players are not sufficiently notable for an article on Wikipedia. Pichpich (talk) 18:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * keep - has potential, German wiki has 15 entries. Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — German has different notability standards.


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Category:Targets of Gamergate

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting targets of gamergate
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. We should not categorize people based on being subjected to violence and harassment by internet randos. Zaathras (talk) 16:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a defining characteristic. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, the category has been emptied. E.g. Felicia Day and Brianna Wu were in here. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep We categorize people based on being subjected to violence in particular events (see Category:Genocide victims and its subcategories such as Category:People who died in the Armenian genocide and Category:People who died in the Holocaust), even if these events were/are obviously much greater in scope and intensity of violence than Gamergate. CJ-Moki (talk) 16:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comparing victims of the Holocaust to those who were harassed by random trolls on the internet is quite beyond the pale. Not even apples and oranges, this is apples and rubber tyres. Also, note to the eventual closing admin, CJ-Moki is the category creator. Zaathras (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we already do that. CJ-Moki (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can't discern the difference between a generalized topic and an ephemeral online mob that came and went, then, that's on you. Zaathras (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP imposes a higher standard for currently living people. Lizthegrey (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:AVOIDVICTIM. Lizthegrey (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The nominator has preemptively emptied this category. Liz Read! Talk! 01:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I felt it was a BLP concern, yes, to label someone a target of a harassment campaign in this manner. Zaathras (talk) 02:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. What's next, Targets of prank phone calls? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:SMALLCAT is also relevant, since there are/were only a handful of truly notable Gamergate targets. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. I don't quite understand the appeal to WP:AVOIDVICTIM here, as it doesn't appear to touch on categorization, but I do think that this category does not contain any individuals for whom it is defining. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 05:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Either it isn't defining in which case, as you point out, there's already policy saying not to add the cat, or it is defining and they're not notable for other things, in which case AVOIDVICTIM applies. It's a two pronged argument you're right I should have spelled out better. Lizthegrey (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Gamergate (harassment campaign) already exists. So there seems to be no reason to create a new one since this is a generally ambiguous topic. Jennytacular (talk) 18:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:1st-century BC monarchs in Europe
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Category:Works by Mammad Amin Rasulzade

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Works by Mammad Amin Rasulzade to Category:Works about Azerbaijan
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 12:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. It is not a natural merge target, but it happens to fit the only article well. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Pichpich (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:18th-century presidents of the United States
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Category:17th-century monarchs in North America
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Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to "Russian invasion of Ukraine" (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures destroyed during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Buildings and structures destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine by country to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine by country
 * Propose renaming Category:Belarus in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Belarus in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:China and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:China and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Disinformation in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Events affected by the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Events affected by the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports events affected by the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Sports events affected by the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Genocide and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Genocide and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Grain and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Grain and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Impacts of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Impacts of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military equipment of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military equipment of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military operations of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military operations of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Airstrikes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Airstrikes during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Deaths by airstrike during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Deaths by airstrike during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Theatres of operation of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Theatres of operation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military symbols used during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military symbols used during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military units and formations of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military units and formations of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign volunteer units resisting the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Foreign volunteer units resisting the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Nuclear power plants and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Nuclear power plants and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Nuclear weapons and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Nuclear weapons and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:People of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:People of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:People killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:People killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Child murder during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Child murder during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Journalists killed while covering the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Journalists killed while covering the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military personnel killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military personnel killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian military personnel killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Russian military personnel killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian military personnel killed in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian military personnel killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Military personnel of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Military personnel of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Foreign volunteers in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Foreign volunteers in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian military personnel of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Russian military personnel of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian military personnel of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian military personnel of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian activists against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Russian activists against the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian collaborators with Russia during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian collaborators with Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine in popular culture to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine in popular culture
 * Propose renaming Category:Internet memes related to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Internet memes related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Songs about the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Propaganda in Russia related to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Propaganda in Russia related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Propaganda in Ukraine related to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Propaganda in Ukraine related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Reactions to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Resistance during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Resistance during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Ships involved in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Ships involved in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Shipwrecks of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Shipwrecks of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Timelines of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Timelines of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:War crimes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:War crimes during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Battles of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:Prelude to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Propose renaming Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine legal issues to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine legal issues
 * Propose renaming Category:United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) to Category:United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the parent article, which has been moved to Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present). While this is eligible under WP:C2D, I anticipate this request may be controversial, so I am intentionally opening it as a discussion. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 09:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  12:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs) 06:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose In addition to the clumsiness of the new name, I have concerns with the misuse of parentheses, which I've raised on Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present). InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per InfiniteNexus and also because "2022–present" might become confusing in the future. --Bduke (talk) 05:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Russo-Ukrainian War and corresponding subcategories. It's the same war. Better not to have so many WP:SMALLCAT. It's OK to group each major invasion, as does Category:World War II invasions. But not separate timelines, and war crimes, etc, etc, etc.
 * Support per nom - Jjpachano (talk)
 * I would recommend holding off on this discussion until the new RM (Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)) has concluded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Charles Essie (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No objection to putting this on hold as the initial nominator here as well. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 01:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Replace all instances of 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) with Russian invasion of Ukraine, per Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine. The nominator also missed the following categories in their request:
 * Category:Battles of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Category:Prelude to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
 * Category:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine legal issues
 * Category:United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)
 * InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding those; don't know how I missed them initially. I support your modified proposal here. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 10:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename all as per RM. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, the nomination has been completed with the 4 missing categories. –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename all per RM and InfiniteNexus and LaundryPizza03. It may not be permanent, but it covers the current situation as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (Struck my earlier !vote.)


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Category:Climbing events
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Category is empty. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting climbing events modified 22 Mar
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT — mountaineering charity event. Not really a Category:Sports competitions by sport, and climbing is currently a parent of mountaineering.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge somewhere (but wouldn't Category:Climbing be the more accurate target?). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Why would it?
 * because climbing is more specific than mountaineering. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, mountaineering is a subcategory of climbing, so mountaineering is more specific than climbing. The root of the inheritance tree is the more general.
 * that is odd. Mountaineering contains climbing, skiing and some other sports. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Climbing is a broad activity from the world's tallest mountains (e.g. the eight thousanders) to small boulders. Climbing a boulder isn't "mountaineering", it is called "bouldering". But climbing is just one of the many specific things a mountaineer can do. Likewise, Skiing is a broad activity. Skiing over a flat surface isn't "mountaineering", it is cross-country skiing. But alpine skiing is just one of the many specific things a mountaineer can do.
 * then it seems that Climbing should neither be a parent category nor a subcategory of Mountaineering and the article should be moved to both. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, Mountaineering now back on the same level as Climbing; there's a hatnote in each to the other. Moved the sole article into both Category:Climbing and health and Category:Mountaineering and health. Not a perfect fit, but it isn't really a competition per se.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  11:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Climbing. --Bduke (talk) 04:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The only entry is Climb to Fight Breast Cancer. It is an annual series of mountain climbs.
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Update — the sole article has been recategorized during discussion. (nomination modified)
 * Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Organizations based in Sakarya Province
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Organizations based in Sakarya Province to Category:Organizations based in Turkey and Category:Sakarya Province
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 09:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge but Category:Scientific organizations based in Turkey fits the one article better. Merging to Category:Sakarya Province is unnecessary because the article is already in Category:Adapazarı. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle.


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Category:Katuns
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting katuns
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 07:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment by creator - You should proceed with extreme caution - I just checked here and realized that at least five existing articles can be included into this cat, and additional two are linked to other lang-wikies, which means could be eventually trans.ed or created in Eng. Thanks.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  08:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The question, however, is "do these villages have something meaningful in common besides their shared name?" Even if we can show that these were all Katuns in medieval times, does that have any lasting impact today that is precise and significant enough to build a category? Pichpich (talk) 19:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * These articles on villages are not the most fortunate choice for my argument because they could be few sentences long, but villages are all originating from historical katuns, no doubt about that, how is this described, if at all, within the articles that's the main question. We have even better candidates in quite a number of articles which could closer correspond to historicity, which should in reality be our defining characteristic, and these are articles on certain tribes from Montenegro, Old Herzegovina, Dalmatia, Herzegovina - these tribe-articles are all history articles on mostly Vlach katun-tribes. They would make real candidates; however, I had no time to go through and check how they describe this connection - I wouldn't be surprised if some could be immediately categorized as Category:Katuns based on prose and sources. If any one ever gets into this with more time and interest, we could be needing this category, if not right away then as soon as connection is established in prose. ౪ Santa ౪  99°  03:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic of the villages mentioned on the dab page. We do not categorize based on name alone. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — no need to categorize proto-villages by type of social organization. An well annotates list is sufficient.


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Category:Gaelic rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gaelic rulers
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (2 subcats 0 items), and entirely redundant because its parent Category:Gaels already has both its subcats, Category:Celtic rulers is already being CfD'd, and Category:Irish kings is a wrong parent because it can't be a parent to Category:Gaelic monarchs in Scotland. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For sure this is a redundant category layer. The exact fate of this category depends on the outcome of the other discussion. If Category:Celtic rulers is deleted then this one here should go too. If Category:Celtic rulers is not deleted then this one here should be merged to Category:Celtic rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * fun fact: it has just been deleted. ;) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a too big surprise :-) Then delete this one too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete — following Category:Celtic rulers


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Category:Briton rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Briton rulers to Category:Briton monarchs
 * Nominator's rationale: All people in this category are identified as "kings", "queens", or "chieftains". Perhaps Epaticcus should be excluded because he was a brother of a king, and perhaps a governor or deputy, but that's not a "ruler" or "monarch". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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Category:Sogdian rulers
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sogdian rulers to Category:Sogdian monarchs
 * Nominator's rationale: All people in the category are identified as "kings", "princes", "emirs" or "chiefs". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename


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