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Earthquakes in the United States (2)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 02:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Arizona to Category:Natural disasters in Arizona and Category:Earthquakes in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Iowa to Category:Natural disasters in Iowa and Category:Earthquakes in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Mississippi to Category:Natural disasters in Mississippi and Category:Earthquakes in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Ohio to Category:Natural disasters in Ohio and Category:Earthquakes in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Wyoming to Category:Natural disasters in Wyoming and Category:Earthquakes in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of these only contain one page, and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_9. However, I noticed that in each of these categories, the earthquake didn't actually take place within that state, but it had effects there. That might be the reason these weren't included in the last nomination.
 * Notifying . —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 21:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 11:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms jiedushi

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 02:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 *   full list of more than 200 categories on the talk page 
 * examples
 * Category:Former Shu jiedushi of Shannan Circuit to Category:Former Shu jiedushi and Category: Shannan Xidao jiedushi
 * Category:Former Shu jiedushi of Wutai Circuit to Category:Former Shu jiedushi and Category: Wutai jiedushi
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all categories contain 1-3 articles. These are jiedushi split by every combination of dynasty and province, which is quite exaggerated considering that the period of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms lasted only 72 years. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support There is also some WP:NARROWCAT here. This granularity serves to make navigation harder. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Definitely. Each of the states lasted for an even shorter period of time, for example, the Former Shu only lasted 18 years. Mucube (talk • contribs) 22:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lists about role-playing games

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Role-playing game-related lists. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists about role-playing games to Category:Role-playing game-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: More standard naming. ★Trekker (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support maybe could have been speedy. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Films about Asian Canadians
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Category:Southeast Asian Games sport venues
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting southeast asian games badminton venues
 * Propose deleting southeast asian games football venues
 * Propose deleting southeast asian games athletics venues
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCVENUE. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all WP:OCVENUE. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Clear WP:OCVENUE. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Water pollution
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Water pollution in Belgium‎ (1 P) to Category:Water pollution and Category:Water in Belgium and Category:Environmental issues in Belgium
 * Propose merging Category:Water pollution in Germany‎ (1 P) to Category:Water in Germany and Category:Environmental issues in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Water pollution in Indonesia‎ (1 P) to Category:Water pollution and Category:Environmental issues in Indonesia
 * Propose merging Category:Water pollution in Malaysia‎ (1 P) to Category:Water pollution and Category:Water in Malaysia and Category:Environmental issues in Malaysia
 * Propose merging Category:Water pollution in Switzerland‎ (1 P) to Category:Water pollution and Category:Environment of Switzerland
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in each of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge but the target should be Category:Water pollution by country and there are another half dozen small cates in that that need upmerging too. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Republic of Ireland
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Category:Russian tsars
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Tsars of Russia. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian tsars to Category:Monarchs of the Tsardom of Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: To clarify that it is occupants of a particular office in a particular state. It's possible that a Russian national might have been "Tsar of Bulgaria". Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree with nom's rationale. Perhaps more simply Category:Tsars of Russia, as is also used as section title in List of Russian monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Tsars of Russia per Marcocapelle. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Either Keep (as the meaning is already clear) or rename to Category:Tsars of Russia. The possibility of a Russian being tsar of Bulgaria or vice versa fails to accord with historical reality.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Tsardom of Russia people
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tsardom of Russia people to Category:People from the Tsardom of Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the format of other members of "former countries" and other multi-ethnic empires with compound names. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * No objection to the nomination but the whole tree sounds unnecessarily complicated. Tsardom of Russia is not really a former country, it is an existing country with just another type of head of state. Category:16th-century Russian people and Category:17th-century Russian people should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle I think there are good reasons for splitting this out into separate category trees by analogy to Category:Wars involving Russia. Editors have been complaining for years that we shouldn't equate the Kievan Rus', Muscovy, the Tsardom, the Empire, the Soviet Union and the current Federation, as this can lead to overclaiming of "credit" of historical events, "achievements" and people by the current Federation. It is for this and other reasons that I have done my part in diffusing it further into subcategories, which other users had already done.
 * I think that in most cases the words "Russian", "Ukrainian" and "Belarusian" are inappropriate for pre-1500 categories in general. (See also the Category:Ukrainian knights CfD.) Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with the latter, but we are discussing post-1500 here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I still think it's better to make this distinction. Tsardom of Russia =/= Russian Federation. WP:SMALLCAT may be a good reason for upmerging, but otherwise I recommend diffusing. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Nuns from the Russian Empire
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Category:Tsardom of Russia nuns
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Category:Tsardom of Russia ladies-in-waiting
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 29%23Category:Tsardom of Russia ladies-in-waiting

Category:Tsardom of Russia people of Scottish descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Russian people of Scottish descent. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tsardom of russia people of scottish descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. If retained, rename to Category:People from the Tsardom of Russia of Scottish descent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Russian people of Scottish descent per WP:SMALLCAT and per my earlier comment about Tsardom of Russia people above. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge -- only one member. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polynesian lawyers
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting french polynesian lawyers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Lawyers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but I guess it should be merged to Category:French lawyers. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Striking my earlier vote, as nom's rationale is no longer applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisted by request of the closer: see Deletion review/Log/2023 May 17. Is this still a SMALLCAT? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Done Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge also to, obviously. Do not rename, per . Oculi (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merge IdiotSavant (talk) 00:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The articles is already in another subcategory of Category:French Polynesian people, so a merge to Category:French Polynesian people is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the above clarification, are you content to strike your "oppose" vote? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - no longer meets WP:SMALLCAT.--IdiotSavant (talk) 06:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - 7 articles, usually regarded as sufficient. Oculi (talk) 09:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Since it has been populated. All categories deleted as WP:SMALLCAT should be revisited if we're proven wrong. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Closer made no error, but this is now way beyond a SMALLCAT. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - per points already made above. Scanlan (talk) 02:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ghanaian Inspector Generals of Police
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ghanaian Inspectors General of Police. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ghanaian Inspector Generals of Police to Category:Ghanaian Inspectors General of Police
 * Nominator's rationale: Correct plural, per Inspector General of Police of the Ghana Police Service article StAnselm (talk) 02:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2B, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Primary Chronicle manuscripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Primary Chronicle textual witnesses. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Primary Chronicle manuscripts to Category:Primary Chronicle textual witnesses
 * Nominator's rationale: User:Srnec and I agreed at Talk:Trinity Chronicle that this would be a clearer and more correct name given the widespread terminological confusion in the field of Rus' chronicles between letopis/chronicle/annal/manuscript/spisok/codex etc. "textual witnesses" is the most unambiguous term, especially for texts such as the Trinity Chronicle of whom the original manuscript is lost, but much of the text has been preserved in quotations. The term is widely used in textual criticism, especially biblical criticism, including here on English Wikipedia, e.g. Mark 1. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per my comments at the talk page. Srnec (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Stars named from the Arabic language
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. There are already lists. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Stars named from the Arabic language to Category:Stars named from Arabic
 * Nominator's rationale: "Arabic" already and unambiguously refers to the language.  Eye snore  01:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME, we categorize things by what they are, not by how they are named. If kept, rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI i also created w:Category:Stars named from the Ancient Greek language. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Delete per Marcocapelle. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I just added w:Category:Astronomy in the medieval Islamic world to the nominated category. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Stars named from the Ancient Greek language


 * while we are at it, let's tackle the Greek-language sibling as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I support deleting this one too. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Listify both. List of Arabic star names already exists. I think lists allow us to provide evidence of etymology of star names, and whether/how they have been used in other languages such as English and other Western languages, perhaps even as commonnames. This sets them apart from Chinese star names, which just provides alternatives to Western names without influencing them much at all, apparently. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete clear WP:SHAREDNAME and unlikely to help navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I would recommend a list, but think we have one. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge both categories to Category:Stars with proper names. Many of the articles in these categories are missing from that category. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Listify stars have many names. These two linguistic origins for a particular name for a star should just appear as entries on a list article. --- List of stars with names from Ancient Greek // List of stars with names from Arabic /// or /// List of Arabic star names / List of Ancient Greek star names --- would be the way to go. The common name for stars change over time, so this category schema is a bit poor, as the region for naked-eye stars visible to the Classical Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Arabic, Persian worlds greatly overlap; as it would with many cultures from the same general latitudes, such as even India or even China. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We already have List of proper names of stars. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


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