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Category:Rulers in medieval Macedonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from medieval Macedonia after purging. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 16:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Rulers in medieval Macedonia to Category:Medieval Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT. Both "rulers" (not a title) and "in medieval Macedonia" (not a dynastic domain) are so vague as to verge on WP:NONDEFINING. Apart from the 2 clearly defined subcategories (which are already in the sibling Category:Medieval Thessalonica), the 10 items in this cat are an arbitrary random mix of officials, magnates, nobles, aristocrats, military leaders, warlords, rebels, and alleged "de facto rulers" of some parts of a vaguely defined region that is so arbitrary and contested that Greece and North Macedonia spent the past 3 decades still arguing about it. The same arbitrary random mix can be found in its parent Category:Medieval Macedonia, so I suggest we "park" them there for the time being, perhaps until someone comes up with something more defining, objective and relevant as a subcategory. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Purge Serbian kings and Bulgarian czars, then merge to Category:People from medieval Macedonia. The fact that Macedonia was sometimes part of Serbia, sometimes of Bulgaria, should be covered in a history article, not in a rulers category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:40, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rulers of Estonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose downmerging Category:Rulers of Estonia to Category:Heads of state of Estonia
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to the "Heads of State of Estonia" CfR; third step in the process. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Downmerge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


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The merger still hasn't been completed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops. I've done it now. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Women rulers in Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Women rulers in Africa to Category:Women monarchs in Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Per precedent "Category:Women rulers in Asia" > Category:Women monarchs in Asia. I took a long time to prepare this nomination by sorting out all items that had been thrown in this catch-all category. This resulted in lots of moving, and the creation of several more specific categories that better cover these women's positions: Category:Women presidents in Africa, Category:Women prime ministers in Africa, Category:Female regents in Africa, and Category:Female chiefs in Africa. The latter is a new subcategory, the other three are in different trees because they are not sovereign hereditary monarchs. With the recent renaming of empresses consort of Ethiopia, this CfR can now proceed.
 * PS: I should note that the legal/political position of queen mothers in Africa (Queen mother (Africa), Category:African queen mothers) is complicated, and varies by time, place, country and culture. In some places, queen mothers are regents, in others they are probably also monarchs, particularly in the case of Eswatini (Swaziland). This makes good categorisation difficult at times, because the role of queen mothers is unlike anything known in Western cultures and political systems. Anthropologists and historians have (probably rightly) theorised or concluded that many queen mother traditions in African countries go back to matrilineal hereditary succession, and perhaps times long ago when there had been some sort of "matriarchy" rather than patriarchy as commonly known in e.g. European history. At times I struggled to categorise the queen mothers of Eswatini as queen mothers, female regents, or women monarchs, or some combination of the three, trying to do them justice. Outside of Eswatini, most of them can be categorised as both queen mothers and female regents, but not women monarchs, based on their biographies. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Thank you for sorting this all out. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hunnic rulers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –Laundry<b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hunnic rulers to Category:Hunnic kings
 * Propose upmerging Category:4th-century Hunnic rulers to Category:Hunnic rulers/Category:Hunnic kings per WP:SMALLCAT
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century Hunnic rulers to Category:5th-century Hunnic kings
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D List of kings of the Huns, which I BOLDly renamed because the position was already widely called "king" in the article, opening sentence and infobox (about 33 times "king" as opposed to about 7 times "ruler"). The 4th-century subcat is a WP:SMALLCAT that should be upmerged, the 5th-century subcat just needs the same renaming. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Neutral on rulers/kings, oppose upmerging "4th-century Hunnic rulers". Ordinarily I'd be fine with using "kings" to describe a category that consists entirely or almost entirely of kings, but here we have a category tree based on the use of "rulers", probably because there are or could be queens or empresses or other non-kings.  Consistency is good, though not essential—another related category already uses "kings".  But as for upmerging "4th-century Hunnic rulers", while the category is indeed quite small, it is also a subcategory of "4th-century rulers in Europe", and merging it with other Hunnic rulers would prevent anyone viewing the parent category from finding those who were Huns.  The usefulness of identifying European rulers/kings/monarchs/etc. by century would seem to outweigh any possible gain from deleting a small category.  If the category is merged, then the individual members would need to be added to the parent category, which currently consists entirely of subcategories, and does not contain individual rulers; this is another reason not to merge.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * We could add Balamber and Uldin to Category:4th-century rulers in Europe, no problem. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Hunnic rulers aren't generally called kings in English.★Trekker (talk) 20:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * According to Google Books, "hunnic kings" is much more WP:COMMONNAME than "hunnic rulers". Same goes for "hunnic king" versus "hunnic ruler", "king of the huns" versus "ruler of the huns", and "kings of the huns" versus "rulers of the huns". So your claim appears to be statistically incorrect. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the only Hunnish ruler most English speakers have heard of is Attila, and he's usually called "Attila the Hun", not "King Attila of the Huns". I have no argument with calling him a king, at least loosely speaking, but technically most mentions of Attila don't call him anything except "the Hun".  You know, as if there were all these other non-Hunnish Attilas running around that they need to distinguish him from.  I guess "Attila the Hun" is just really catchy!  P Aculeius (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hahaha! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename/Upmerge as nominated.
 * Balance so far: 3 Rename/upmerge (myself included), 1 Oppose all, 1 Oppose upmerging "4th-century Hunnic rulers" and otherwise Neutral. Looks like there's gonna be a consensus on the rename, but the upmerge has poor support of 3 against 2. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Rename/merge per nom. A 4th-century Irish king would not have called himself a "king"; in the Gaelic language he was a "rí". But he was de facto a king as we now understand the term. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Organ transplant donors
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting organ transplant donors
 * Nominator's rationale: Organ donation is a non-defining characteristic in the vast majority of cases. User:Namiba 17:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete generally after death, not defining at all. - RevelationDirect (talk)
 * Delete -- a NN characteristic, but anyway it is better usually that they remain anonymous. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This was eligible for WP:G4; Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 10 73.93.5.246 (talk) 00:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Zhou Shen
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting zhou shen
 * Nominator's rationale: One album and a discography page aren't enough to warrant an eponymous category. WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Algeria to Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria and Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently just one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Suicide bombings in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Suicide bombings in Algeria to Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria and Category:Suicides in Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: merge (also move the article 2007 Batna bombing to Category:Suicide bombings in Africa), redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Algeria instead. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also merge to Category:Suicides in Algeria. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Algeria, see nomination above. I have added Category:Suicides in Algeria as a merge target in the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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Template:Politician-stub
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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep - jc37 09:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting


 * Nominator's rationale: Template that has outlived its usefulness. When it was created in 2005, the stub sorting system wasn't as developed as it is now, and thus it was needed for a lot of countries that didn't have their own dedicated stub templates or categories yet — but in 2023, there's now a much more thoroughly built out tree of subcategories at the by-country or by-continent levels, meaning that no politician on earth is ever undiffusable into a more specific subcategory anymore. Now, any use of this template is inherently an error that always needs to be (and always can be) replaced with a more specific "Country-politician-stub" or "Continent-politician-stub" template, meaning that just "politician-stub" simply isn't ever necessary anymore. (For example, earlier today I found about seven or eight articles directly using this template, every single one of which was a state legislator from the United States who should have had [USState]-politician-stub instead of this.) Note that I'm not proposing the deletion of the category, which is still needed as a container for all the relevant subcategories — but the template should be deleted as it's never in any need of direct use in its own right anymore, and the category should be strictly a container parent with no direct entries of its own. Bearcat (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Question Shouldn't you file this deletion proposal at Templates for discussion? It's not a category. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * CFD is where stub template discussions come. It doesn't matter if you understand why — I don't understand why either — but stub template discussions come to CFD regardless of whether the associated category is proposed for deletion or not. Even if it's not supposed to be that way, Twinkle automatically posts an XFD discussion on a stub template to CFD by default — so if that's wrong, it's a Twinkle problem, not a Bearcat problem. Bearcat (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The rationale probably is that anything related to stub categories goes to CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I just hadn't seen it before. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair, WP:TFD does say that stub template-plus-category discussions should come here while stub template-only discussions should be held there, but Twinkle does seem to not actually make that distinction, and automatically posts template-only discussions here (it isn't the first time I've seen it.) There should perhaps be some discussion or clarification to make sure everybody's actually on the same page about what's desired and any necessary adjustments to either the TFD statement or Twinkle code are made, but that's obviously tangential to whether this specific template is warranted or not and would be more appropriately held elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 22:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment the rationale assumes that all editors know that this particular stub template has more refined versions in continent-level and that the missing country-level stubs would then use such. I don't think that that many editors would know of such, if they don't regularly write politician stubs. Thus, it would be good to keep the template around for stub-sorting wikignomes to replace with more specific ones, instead of not tagging the stub in the first place. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 06:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support
 * as a stub expert, please can you advise whether this would matter for the hierarchy shown at e.g. Template:UK-politician-stub, i.e.
 * Stub hierarchy
 * UK-politician-stub
 * Politician-stub
 * Stub?
 * – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, it would, and would cause problems with other stub templates being marked as needing attention because of it. If it were deleted it would need to be recreated almost immediately. It's also common practice to keep what seem like redundant templates like this because not everyone can have a full knowledge of the thousands of possible stub templates. any people help by just moving a stub one link up the chain, so if they see aan article for a politician just marked with bio-stub, they'll just move it one step up the chain to a less broad type like politician-stub. The OP themselves made it clear that this is regularly happening. It's also, like many other stub templates on the same level, incompletely divided into countries. There's little need, say, for a Tokelau-politician-stub or a Pitcairn-politician-stub, so any tiny number of articles which could use such stubs are simply double-stubbed with politician-stub and a national stub. As such, very strong keep (it may even qualify for procedural keep). Grutness... wha?   04:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Both Tokelau and Pitcairn wouldfall under Oceania-politician-stub, and thus aren't tagged with this either. It's true that not every country on earth has its own dedicated stub template or category, but even the countries that don't have those things still absolutely always fall under continent-wide regional templates and categories that do exist, such as Asia and Europe and Oceania — so absolutely no country on earth ever needs this, because there's not a single country on earth that isn't resortable to at least the "African, Asian, European, North American, Oceanian or South American" level.
 * And there are lots of cleanup tasks that people shouldn't have to take any time to clean up, not because it isn't important to clean them up but because it genuinely shouldn't even be possible to make the mess that needs to be cleaned up in the first place. Cleaning user and draft pages out of mainspace categories, for instance, is a boring and stupid job that nobody should ever have to spend any time on at all — but the solution to that isn't to decide that such pages are allowed to pollute mainspace categories now, it;s finding ways to render it impossible for user and draft pages to be appearing in mainspace categories, so that nobody has to clean a mess up because there isn't a mess getting made in the first place. The real, proper solution to redlinked categories, similarly, isn't "somebody goes through a list of redlinked categories twice a week to remove or create them as needed" — it should really be "make it impossible to add a redlinked category to an article at all, so that there are never any redlinked categories to get cleaned up". And this is like that: if a container category always needs to be emptied out every time it has anything added to it, then the solution isn't to monitor the category and clean it out every time it has anything added to it — it's to render it impossible for anything to be added to it so that nobody needs to clean up a mess because there's never any mess to be cleaned up in the first place.
 * And one doesn't have to memorize the entire category tree in order to function, because the beauty of the category tree is that it's visible and browsable. So if you don't know where in the tree to place a politician, you don't have to memorize the entire tree for future reference because you can look at the tree to see what the options are. Bearcat (talk) 11:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, keep. There were user drafts linking to it yesterday (until I edited them) – no doubt more will arise. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And it is still being used on live articles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Grutness et al, and as a stub sorting gnome who regularly cruises broad stub categories in order to re-sort articles into more granular categories. Her Pegship (?) 21:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Although the stub category is too broad to be used directly, it is an effective navigation tool for its various stub subcategories and for stubs of uncertain classification within that tree. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


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Terrorist incidents in Mexico
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in mexico by decade
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico in the 1990s to Category:1990s disasters in Mexico and Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico in the 2000s to Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico and manually move Morelia grenade attacks to Category:Attacks in Mexico in the 2000s
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico in the 2010s to Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in mexico in the 2020s
 * Propose deleting category
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico in 2022 to Category:Terrorist incidents in North America in 2022 and Category:Terrorist incidents in Mexico
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in mexico in the 20th century
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in mexico in the 21st century
 * Nominator's rationale: merge and delete per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Language policy by country
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Category:Car and truck bombings in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Car and truck bombings in Algeria to Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: merge (also move article Le Soir d'Algérie bombing to Category:Car and truck bombings in Africa), redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in Algeria instead. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile this target has been nominated too. Ultimately the only significant subcategory is Category:Suicide car and truck bombings in Algeria that should be kept. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Chancellors by university in the South Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chancellors by university in the South Africa to Category:Chancellors by university in South Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename without the intrusive "the". Pam  D  15:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, could have been listed at the speedy nominations page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Two person offshore sailing event
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Category:Types of administrative division templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ✗  plicit  00:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Types of administrative division templates to Category:Administrative division templates by division type
 * Nominator's rationale: This was just renamed at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 19, as part of a series changing "country subdivision" to "administrative division". However, that nomination also changed the naming format from "…by type" to "Types of…". The present nomination would revert that aspect of the name, as this is a container category by type of division, over e.g. and . – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging William Allen Simpson & RevelationDirect as participants in the previous CFD. I invited the closer LaundryPizza03 to reopen the discussion in order to present a fresh alternative, but they declined. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, the category does not contain actual types of templates but rather subcategories by type. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Conditionally oppose unless parents Category:Types of administrative division and grandparent Category:Types of geographical division are also renamed. The great-grandparent is Category:Places by type, so that would make the nomination WP:C2C.
 * Category:Types of administrative division should be split to Category:Administrative division by type rather than renamed, as this one does contain lots of articles about a particular type of administrative division. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We could do that, but in the past it has been considered an unnecessary and confusing distinction. We used to have separate hierarchies for articles in "Types of thing" and sub-categories in "Things by type", but there were CFDs where the majority considered that the distinction was not intuitive or helpful – especially when both were siblings in . – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support This name is a more accurate description. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cancelled cycle races
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cancelled cycle races to Category:Cancelled cycling competitions
 * Nominator's rationale: Recently created category that serves no additional benefit, as there isn't a clear distinction between "cycle races" and "cycling competitions" <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. consist of, , , , , ,  etc. Not all cycling competitions are races (BMX events, for example). If you disagree, try to start merging  into  first. Teterev53 (talk) 14:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Yes, one is s subset, but it doesn't aid reader navigation to split of cancelled cycling events with this granularity. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Manually merge, most articles already are or belong in sibling Category:Cycling events cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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(Sailing class) competitions
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 23%23(Sailing class) competitions

Category:Podcasts with educational YouTubers
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting podcasts with educational youtubers
 * Nominator's rationale: This is WP:NONDEF. It's WP:NARROWCAT because it is an intersection of three different things "podcasts" + "educational" + "youtubers". It's also a WP:SMALLCAT. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't remember why I made this, and I support the deletion. KarlPoppery  (talk) 04:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Automobile podcasts
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting automobile podcasts
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an example of WP:SMALLCAT. I don't see any realistic potential for growth, but I wouldn't be opposed to recreation if some podcasts about cars suddenly became notable. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete Per WP:SMALLCAT. The 1 article is well categorized. -RevelationDirect (talk) 02:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Astronomy education podcasts
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Science podcasts and Category:Works about astronomy. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting astronomy education podcasts
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an example of WP:SMALLCAT and WP:NARROWCAT. At the very least this should be renamed to Astronomy Podcasts instead of the redundant intersection of Astronomy and Education podcast. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * If not kept, it should be merged to Category:Science podcasts and Category:Works about astronomy instead of deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Dual Upmerge Per Marcocapelle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Terrorist incidents in Tunisia and Libya
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. Due to insufficiently many decades that are adequately populated, the decades trees will be deleted as well. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in tunisia by year
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2002 to Category:2002 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2002
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2006 to Category:2006 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2006
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2007 to Category:2007 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2007
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2014 to Category:2014 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2014
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2015 to Category:2015 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2015
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in 2022 to Category:2022 disasters in Tunisia, Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia in the 2020s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2022
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in libya by year
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in 2012 to Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2012
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in 2015 to Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2015
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in 2016 to Category:2016 crimes in Libya, Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2016
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in 2018 to Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2018
 * Nominator's rationale: merge and delete per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Honestly I think we can skip the decade level too and take Category:Terrorist incidents in Tunisia and Category:Terrorist incidents in Libya respectively as the second merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per WP:SMALLCAT. Open to Marcocapelle's alt merge above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Terrorist incidents in Algeria
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in algeria by year
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 1995 to Category:1995 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 1995 and manually move Le Soir d'Algérie bombing to Category:1995 crimes in Algeria
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2005 to Category:2005 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2005
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2006 to Category:2006 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2006
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2007 to Category:2007 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2007
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2008 to Category:2008 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2008
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2010 to Category:2010 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2010
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2012 to Category:2012 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2012
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in 2013 to Category:2013 disasters in Algeria, Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Africa in 2013
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete this tree. Note that while 2007 and 2008 both have 5 articles, it's beneficial for the entire tree to be upmerged since most years only have 2-3 articles and the years are sparse. If this tree becomes more consistently populated in the future on a yearly basis, then there is no objection to recreation, but right now we don't need it; the parent categories more than suffice. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Honestly I think we can skip the decade level too and take Category:Terrorist incidents in Algeria as the second merge target. Note that only few articles would actually need to be moved there because most of them are already in subCategory:Suicide car and truck bombings in Algeria. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per WP:SMALLCAT. Open to Marcocapelle's alt merge above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cycling in Prague
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cycling in the Czech Republic and Category:Transport in Prague and Category:Sport in Prague. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 03:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cycling in prague
 * Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only 1 entry and unlikely to grow. LibStar (talk) 00:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Cycling in the Czech Republic, Category:Transport in Prague and Category:Sport in Prague. This could've been speedily merged per WP:C2F. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Aidan721. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


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