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Category:Basketball competitions in Winston-Salem, North Carolina

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 02:10, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball competitions in Winston-Salem, North Carolina to Category:Sports competitions in Winston-Salem, North Carolina and Category:Basketball in Winston-Salem, North Carolina
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Do not need to merge to Category:Basketball competitions in North Carolina since both articles are already in Category:College basketball tournaments in North Carolina. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Keep as it contains 7 articles. SMALLCAT is unlikely to apply for cities which regularly host basketball competitions such as Winston-Salem.--User:Namiba 21:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, the merge rationale is apparently no longer applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep At this point, it is now well populated. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Clearly WP:PERFCAT applies. Discussion on PERCAT should not happen here. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rupaul's drag race all stars contestants
 * Nominator's rationale: Clear WP:PERFCAT. Contestants were already known prior to appearing on this show, so clearly not WP:DEFINING.  We cannot have categories for appearances on every iteration of a talent show on television. -- wooden  superman  12:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedure be damned, I wish you said Propose sashaying away 73.93.5.246 (talk) 12:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a helpful category for grouping people who appear on the show. Also, "Contestants were already known prior to appearing on this show" is not necessarily true. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but "helpful" doesn't cut it I'm afraid. WP:PERFCAT is quite clear.  Imagine if we started doing this for appearances on every TV show, every panel show, every talk show, etc, etc.  Oh, and the fact that they're "All Stars" implies that they have already some level of fame outside of this.  This is not a WP:DEFINING category.  -- wooden  superman  13:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Why have Category:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants but not Category:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars contestants? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, personally I have an issue with that too. I think for it to be WP:DEFINING, it should just be, but I think that the generally accepted rule of thumb here as that most of these people would not be known in the first place were it not for their coming to the public eye through that one specific show, so that first appearance can generally be allowed.  -- wooden  superman  13:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK but All Stars sometimes has contestants who did not compete on RuPaul's Drag Race specifically. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If they first came to prominence on All Stars could they not be upmerged to the more generic ? -- wooden superman  13:51, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Again, not all All Stars contestants appeared on RuPaul's Drag Race. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * But All Stars is part of the same franchise and a subcat of the main contestants category anyway. Can you give me an example of a couple who haven't appeared?  -- wooden  superman  14:09, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Vivienne competed on the UK series, but not the US series. It would be inaccurate to say she competed on RuPaul's Drag Race. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * She was already notable before she appeared on All Stars, therefore this is not a WP:DEFINING category for her. -- wooden  superman  14:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sometimes appearing on this series is what makes an individual notable. Simply appearing on any Drag Race show does not earn you a Wikipedia entry. We know this because we've had many deletion discussions for contestants. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't forget Jimbo from Canada! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 15:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Who apperars in three of the these WP:PERFCATs now -- wooden superman  15:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you are implying that all of these individuals are notable because they appeared on a previous TV series. We know from many Drag Race-related AfD discussions that simply appearing on a show is not enough to establish notability. We can't have it both ways. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep As discussing in the above that the contestants in this category could fit into RuPaul's Drag Race contestants even though multiple All Stars contestants did not originally appear on RuPaul's Drag Race, notably The Vivienne and now Jimbo. If this category is removed it would make much more sense to have only a general Drag Race (franchise) contestants category that all participants are in regardless of country specific show they competed on. I think keeping this is beneficial and consistent with keeping all the specific categories for participants in the various Drag Race shows. HighlandFacts (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point of WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman  11:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * DeleteMost of these people, like Jiggly Caliente and Jinkx Monsoon, are notable almost entirely for being on the original show (which is not a WP:PERFCAT issue) but they are already in Category:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants. Being in a later season spinoff, sure does sound like WP:PERFCAT and WP:OVERLAPCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, not all All Stars contestants appeared on the U.S. version of Drag Race. I'm still not understanding why this category is problematic. We should have a category specific to this show. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No we shouldn't have categories for every iteration of the show because of WP:PERFCAT and WP:DEFINING. I really can't see why you're not getting this.  -- wooden  superman  08:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Unlike with professional actors/actresses, there should be a narrow exception to WP:PERFCAT for reality show contestants who are notable primarily for their initial performance. Once they gain some traction and get booked for follow up performances like this one, we should avoid category clutter for every single listing in their IMDB profile. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:RuPaul's Drag Race: UK vs. the World contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rupaul's drag race
 * Nominator's rationale: Clear WP:PERFCAT. Contestants were already known prior to appearing on this show, so clearly not WP:DEFINING.  We cannot have categories for appearances on every iteration of a talent show on television. -- wooden  superman  11:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Helpful to group contestants, not all of whom appeared on RuPaul's Drag Race: UK. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * But they were already known outside of their appearance on this show, so it isn't WP:DEFINING for them I'm afraid. -- wooden  superman  13:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're suggesting their appearance on another show made them notable? This goes against AfD discussions for contestants, which suggest their show participation is NOT enough to establish notability. We can't have it both ways... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Same as my point under the All Stars deletion request, but even more so as only 3 of the current 9 members of the category actually competed on RuPaul's Drag Race UK. Also Pangina was never a participant in any Drag Race before this one so this is the only contestant category she fits into. HighlandFacts (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point of WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman  11:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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 * DeleteMost of these people, like Baga Chipz and Blu Hydrangea, are notable almost entirely for being on the original show (which is not a WP:PERFCAT issue) but they are already in Category:RuPaul's Drag Race UK contestants. Being in a later season spinoff, sure does sound like WP:PERFCAT and WP:OVERLAPCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, not all UK vs. the World queens appeared on Drag Race UK. We need a category for this iteration of the franchise. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World contestants
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting canada's drag race
 * Nominator's rationale: Clear WP:PERFCAT. Contestants were already known prior to appearing on this show, so clearly not WP:DEFINING.  We cannot have categories for every iteration of a talent show on television. -- wooden  superman  11:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Helpful for grouping contestants, not all of whom appeared on Canada's Drag Race. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * But they were already known outside of their appearance on this show, so it isn't WP:DEFINING for them I'm afraid. -- wooden  superman  13:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're suggesting their appearance on another show made them notable? This goes against AfD discussions for contestants, which suggest their show participation is NOT enough to establish notability. We can't have it both ways... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Same as my point under the All Stars and UK vs The World ones. Only 4 of the 9 contestants competed on Canada's Drag Race in the first place. HighlandFacts (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point of WP:PERFCAT. -- wooden superman  11:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * DeleteMost of these people, like Icesis Couture and Vanity Milan (I love the stage names!), are notable almost entirely for being on the original show (which is not a WP:PERFCAT issue) but they are already in Category:Canada's Drag Race contestants. Being in a later season spinoff, sure does sound like WP:PERFCAT and WP:OVERLAPCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not all Canada vs. the World queens appeared on Canada's Drag Race. We need a category for this iteration of the franchise. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians of European nations
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete  rename . (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Politicians of European nations to Category:Politicians in Europe
 * Propose renaming Category:Politicians of European nations by party to Category:Politicians in Europe by party
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B/WP:C2C sibling categories: Category:Heads of state in Europe Category:Monarchs in Europe Category:Religious leaders in Europe‎ Category:Lists of governors in Europe‎. Nephew/niece category: Category:Political office-holders in Europe‎. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. The format "of ... nations" is hardly ever used. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * REname -- much clearer. It is most unusual to be a politician simultaneously in more than one nation, which is what this categoryu seems to want.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


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@User:LaundryPizza03 Don't you mean Rename? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * You're right, I did mean to rename. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Rulers of Ethiopia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Monarchs of Ethiopia. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Ethiopia to Category:Monarchs of Ethiopia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D. All 4 articles identified as "main articles" are about monarchs: Monarchies of Ethiopia, List of emperors of Ethiopia, List of rulers of Bosha (identified as Kingdom of Garo, so "kings"), and List of rulers of the Janjero state of Gimirra (identified as the Kingdom of Yamma, so "kings"). WP:C2C: All subcategories are also about monarchs (kings, emperors, emirs, dynasties etc.). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


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Early childhood education
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Early childhood education in China‎ (1 C, 2 P) to Category:Early childhood education‎, Category:Childhood in China‎ and Category:Education in China‎
 * Propose merging Category:Early childhood education in Hong Kong‎ (2 P) to Category:Early childhood education‎, Category:Childhood in China and Category:Education in Hong Kong
 * Propose merging Category:Early childhood education in Japan‎ (1 P) to Category:Early childhood education‎, Category:Childhood in Japan‎ and Category:Education in Japan‎
 * Propose merging Category:Early childhood education in the Netherlands‎ (1 P) to Category:Early childhood education‎, Category:Childhood in the Netherlands‎ and Category:Education in the Netherlands‎
 * Propose merging Category:Early childhood education in Norway‎ (2 P) to Category:Early childhood education‎, Category:Childhood in Norway‎ and Category:Education in Norway‎
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one or two articles in every category (plus China also contains the Hong Kong subcategory). Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:ArmSCII
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting armscii
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the category only contains two articles. I don't think the category needs to be merged somewhere, the articles are well-categorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Sportspeople second-level administrative division
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in the United Kingdom to Category:Sportspeople in the United Kingdom by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in the United States to Category:Sportspeople in the United States by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in Wales to Category:Sportspeople in Wales by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by province in Spain to Category:Sportspeople in Spain by province
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by council area in Scotland to Category:Sportspeople in Scotland by council area
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Sportspeople in the Republic of Ireland by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in Ireland to Category:Sportspeople in Ireland by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in Northern Ireland to Category:Sportspeople in Northern Ireland by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by province in Italy to Category:Sportspeople in Italy by province
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by region in Germany to Category:Sportspeople in Germany by region
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by department in France to Category:Sportspeople in France by department
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by county in England to Category:Sportspeople in England by county
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople by province in Belgium to Category:Sportspeople in Belgium by province
 * Nominator's rationale: The splitter should be the last thing mentioned in the category name. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Shouldn't the parent categories be moved then too?, , , etc. I would also suggest moving the sport-specific subcategories, e.g. . S.A. Julio (talk) 15:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * And categories in Category:Sportspeople by first-level administrative country subdivision as well. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * And Category:People by country and city. Oculi (talk) 00:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * All assistance gratefully received. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - the nominator is correct - it's Category:(Sportspeople in Ireland) by county. S.A. Julio is also correct; there are a lot of these mis-named category subcat schemes. Oculi (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Question: shouldn't it be "British sportspeople" etc.? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Irish sportspeople by county et cetera. Category is in Category:Irish people by occupation by county and Category:Irish sportspeople. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Army soldiers
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian Army soldiers to Category:Canadian Army personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: They're the same category, as far as I can tell. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems the category is for non-officers (though there are a few officers in there). Clarityfiend (talk) 06:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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User:Aquabluetesla/Userboxes/DeSantis-Alt
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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close: this is the wrong forum for this kind of request. Help desk may be a better place to ask. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * – (View MfD) &#8203;

User would like this userbox page deleted or the page rolled back to before this user's name was associated with it -- Aquabluetesla (talk) 05:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian writers of Afghan descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian writers of Afghan descent to Category:Canadian people of Afghan descent and Category:Canadian writers of Asian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one person. There aren't enough other writers in the "Canadian people of Afghan descent" parent category to populate it above the bar, and the "Canadian writers of Asian descent" parent is not otherwise subdivided into "writers of [specific country] descent" subcategories to make this part of an "overall subcategorization scheme". Bearcat (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Oculi (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fellows of the Society of Scribes and Illuminators
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Fellows of the Society of Scribes and Illuminators
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING generally
 * The Society of Scribes & Illuminators is a professional society. Fellows means a lot of different things but here it seems to be a cross between a fraternal lodge induction and an interview: you have to be nominated and seconded and submit work samples. (The process is outlined here.) This seems like a legitimate credential but the 6 articles don't treat it as defining, generally mentioning it in passing. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, mere membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not mere membership, as the nominator acknowledges. Not is it achieved simply by interview, or nomination: fellows must be elected, after meeting strict criteria. To be elected is therefore a significant achievement. The category insides a significant petition of the society's 42 fellows. Also, , please cite your list, lest it be deleted. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * An achievement is not relevant for definingness, being well-known for it is what counts. Usually (at best) chairs of organizations and activists of an organization are defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fellows of the Academy of Experts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 02:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Fellows of the Academy of Experts
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:V and WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCASSOC and WP:SMALLCAT)
 * The Academy of Experts (TAE) is a British professional association for paid expert witnesses but that that organisation's article makes a passing reference to having fellows. Conversely William Marslen-Wilson, the only article in this category, lists this title in the infobox ( without citation ) but makes no other mention of being an expert witness. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Background This category was nominated a couple years ago and survived based on multiple editors thinking it should be populated. But it hasn't been so I'm renominating. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per last TfD and WP:NODEADLINE. The claim that the use of the honorific in the Marslen-Wilson article is uncited is false. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I copied some text from the original nom and missed that change so I've updated the nom, although the citation is a dead primary source. But how do respond to paid expert witnesses being known for what they're an expert in (not testifying about their expertise) and a category created in 2017 still only having 1 article? - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not the citation to which I referred (and which has been in the article since its creation). I again refer you to WP:NODEADLINE. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it this other dead link to a primary source that you're referencing? - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not referring to any primary source. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You called me out for having a factually inaccurate post (in bold no less), so I assumed good faith, apologized, corrected my nomination, and asked for clarification on what the source is that I missed. The article only has 3 sources all 3 of which appear primary--but 2 of them don't work so I'm not sure--and I can't find this mentioned on the 1 extant source, his university biography page. So no more cat and mouse: specifically, which of the 3 sources are you referring to? - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging in case you hadn't seen the above question yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The single article makes no mention whatever in the text of the FAE so his fellowship is hardly defining and the category is effectively empty. Oculi (talk) 10:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


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