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Category:21st-century viceregal rulers
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Category:Democratic Empires

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting democratic empires
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a strange intersection. For one thing, I don't think any empire was ever truly democratic throughout its history. For instance, the French colonial empire (the only current entry in the category) began somewhere in the 16th-century, at a time when France was clearly not a democracy. It could further be argued that most empires ruled their colonies in non-democratic fashion. Pichpich (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Not just the "democratic" part (which in the French case wouldn't have applied to the great majority of the colonised, nor to the female colonisers in terms of suffrage), but also the "empire" part is questionable. See my recent CfR about Category:Muslim empires, which was renamed Category:Former Islamic monarchies. Although "Empire" is a fine term to be used in article titles if it's the WP:COMMONNAME, it's a bad option for categorising, because it is so subjective, both in a positive and negative sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, "democratic" can only refer to a period within a country's history, not to countries as a whole. The Czech Republic has been democratic throughout its existance (as one of very few countries) but even then there is no guarantee that it will remain democratic forever. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete at best this is WP:SUBJECTIVECAT; it could also be used to sanitize imperial histories though. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The one item is already in Former Empires, so not need to upmerge to Empires. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Weird combination. Place Clichy (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Works by Natalie Holt

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting works by natalie holt
 * Nominator's rationale: The contents of the subcategories are articles about the films/tv shows and not the scores themselves, which would be the works by Natalie Holt. I've cross-linked the subcategories so navigation between the two still exists. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose This is not how the category tree about works by creator functions. For filmmakers, works means the films which they directed, the films which they scripted, and films where they composede the music. Music works themselves do not necessarily need their own article. Dimadick (talk) 00:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dimadick. This category follows well-established conventions. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Louisiana Outlaws players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Louisiana Outlaws players to Category:Lafayette Swamp Cats players
 * Nominator's rationale: Louisiana Outlaws is the original name for the Lafayette Swamp Cats. Articles are already merged.Geregen2 (talk) 14:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge one team, two historical names. Merging is standard in this case. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - we have one parent article, and therefore should have one player category, regardless of any name change/merge. GiantSnowman 20:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sport by country and year

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sport by country and year to Category:Sports by country and year
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge and redirect, manually adding sort keys. This was originally "Years in sport by country" and was renamed as part of a batch nomination in 2019, which presumably overlooked that there was a similarly-named category already. An alternative might be renaming to Category:Sports by sport, country and year but I don't expect that to catch on. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Good point about the sort keys too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge in some fashion. No preference for the target name, but these are clearly overlapping. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Saurcos Fukui players

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Saurcos Fukui players to Category:Fukui United FC players
 * Nominator's rationale: Saurcos Fukui is a predecessor club to Fukui United FC. Already merged in the article space. Geregen2 (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - we have one parent article, and therefore should have one player category, regardless of any name change/merge. GiantSnowman 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan F.C. managers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan F.C. managers to Category:Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan F.C. managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan F.C. is one of the predecessors of Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan F.C. The first name in article space is a redirect to the latter, there is no evidence there is independent notability for the first name. Geregen2 (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - we have one parent article, and therefore should have one manager category, regardless of any name change/merge. GiantSnowman 20:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:FC Hiiu Kalur Kärdla players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fc hiiu kalur kärdla players
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable, WP:SMALLCAT. Geregen2 (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:JK Dokker Viljandi players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jk dokker viljandi players
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable, WP:SMALLCAT. Geregen2 (talk) 13:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Mai Temenai FC players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mai temenai fc players
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable, WP:SMALLCAT. Geregen2 (talk) 13:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People by language family of descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people by language family of descent


 * Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to recently deleted "Category:People of Germanic descent" and the before-that-deleted "Category:Chilean people of Germanic descent" per WP:CROSSCAT WP:OCEGRS WP:NONDEFINING. All subcategories with either "language family", "Turkic" or "Slavic" in the name are also nominated, but nothing else. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Note there is a long list of nominated subcategories when you click on nominator's link! Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point. I used a Template:Excerpt to show them here. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom and precedent. Oculi (talk) 11:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Language descent is not defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. Language family is not defining here. Place Clichy (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Hoaxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hoaxes. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Austria‎ (1 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Israel‎ (3 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in the Netherlands‎ (1 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Norway‎ (2 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Pakistan‎ (2 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Peru‎ (1 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in Russia‎ (3 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Propose merging Category:Hoaxes in the Soviet Union‎ (2 P) to Category:Hoaxes
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in each of these categories. While the categories are often parented to a culture or cultural history category and a historical events category, most articles do not belong there directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support
 * LibStar (talk) 06:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Hoaxes often have no geographical limitations, they can be spread online, by television, through books which are exported abroad, etc. so "by country" is probably not defining. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per both nominator's and Nederlandse Leeuw arguments.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  14:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Two-time VFL/AFL Premiership players
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