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Category:Wikipedians interested in health and hygiene
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 11%23Category:Wikipedians interested in health and hygiene

Category:Wikipedians interested in conlanging or conworlding

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 16:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians interested in conlanging or conworlding to Category:Wikipedians interested in worldbuilding
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the name of the article worldbuilding, where conworlding redirects. Per the lead of that article, This may include [...] invented languages for the world, so conlanging is already included and does not need to be restated. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. conworld and conlang are not necessarily related. There are plenty of Constructed languages that have nothing to do with Worldbuilding. It looks like it's populated by User:Sahmeditor/Conlanging or Conworlding interest, which also combines those 2 topics. Per WP:UBX and WP:OC/U - "Userboxes should NOT automatically include categories by default." - jc37 05:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


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Terrorist incidents in Spain

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 16:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in spain by year
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1942 to Category:1942 disasters in Spain, Category:1942 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 20th century and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1942
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1974 to Category:1974 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1970s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1974
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1976 to Category:1976 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1970s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1976
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1977 to Category:1977 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1970s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1977
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1978 to Category:1978 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1970s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1978
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1979 to Category:1979 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1970s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1979
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1980 to Category:1980 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1980s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1980 and manually move 1980 Orio ambush to Category:1980 crimes in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1982 to Category:1982 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1980s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1982
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1985 to Category:1985 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1980s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1985
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1986 to Category:1986 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1980s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1986
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1987 to Category:1987 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1980s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1987
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1990 to Category:1990 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1990
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1991 to Category:1991 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1991
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1992 to Category:1992 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1992
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1993 to Category:1993 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1993
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1995 to Category:1995 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1995
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 1996 to Category:1996 disasters in Spain, Category:1996 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1990s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 1996
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2000 to Category:2000 disasters in Spain, Category:2000 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2000
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2001 to Category:2001 disasters in Spain, Category:2001 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2001
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2002 to Category:2002 disasters in Spain, Category:2002 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2002
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2004 to Category:2004 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2004
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2006 to Category:2006 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2006
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2008 to Category:2008 disasters in Spain, Category:2008 crimes in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2008
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2009 to Category:2009 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2000s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2009
 * Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in 2017 to Category:2017 disasters in Spain, Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 2010s and Category:Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2017
 * Propose deleting terrorist incidents in the 1940s Category:Terrorist incidents in Spain in the 1940s
 * Nominator's rationale: delete and merge. Not enough content on a yearly basis for this category. Do not need to merge to YYYY crimes in Spain every year since the articles are often categorized under YYYY murders in Spain. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:20, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As User:Fayenatic london noted for Italy, this should be manually merged, because not every terrorist incident is a disaster, and because some articles may already be deeper down in a crime by year tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 article
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 articles. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 article to Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 Articles
 * Nominator's rationale: Special:diff/1152995767 -- NHC 、not NPC！   ｡:.ﾟ(*`･ω･)ゞ:｡  16:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 articles. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If kept, it should certainly become "articles" (plural, no capital), per convention. I do not know enough about WikiProjects in order to understand whether this is a suitable category at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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River borders
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ottoman empire–polish–lithuanian commonwealth border
 * Propose deleting romania–russian empire border
 * Propose deleting ottoman empire–russian empire border
 * Propose deleting austrian empire–russian empire border
 * Propose deleting borders of the russian empire
 * Nominator's rationale: This is just a list of rivers which may for short periods of time have served as borders. The Russian Empire was in expansion mode for most of it's existence; who can say when it's borders ever attained a fixed position or proponged period of stability? It's all quite WP:OR. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete seems akin to WP:OCLOCATION. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Orthodox Christians
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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge and restore redirect to Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting orthodox christians
 * Nominator's rationale: The Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches are both called "Orthodox". :However, their name does not mean that they are two church which practice each a different form of a common Christianity (Christian denomination) which would be "Orthodoxy". They are not like the Reformed Church in America and the Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Ukraine which are two different churches practicing Reformed Christianity. Both Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches use the term "Orthodox" because they claim to be the "church of truth" (orthodox means "on the right path", "on the right doctrine"), but there is not a single current from which they split, rather they both are different currents.


 * Therefore, this category does not reflect a real categorisation but the commonality of a word, and thus this category should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Support It's a false dichotomy. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge back to Category:Christians by denomination per nom, clearly a case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Christians by denomination per WP:SHAREDNAME. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Christians by denomination. These are denominations that have significantly different theological understandings from each other and merely share the name "orthodox", which means "upright teaching", just as Catholic means universal.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore redirect to, as was the case before on 3 May. In common parlance, the Orthodox are what Wikipedia calls the Eastern Orthodox. The redirect is therefore useful. The Oriental Orthodox (Copts, Armenian etc.) are a completely different thing, like the Jewish Orthodox or the orthodox Marxists. Place Clichy (talk) 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I'd rather turn it into a disambiguation page. I can't see why we would link to Eastern Orthodox but not to Oriental Orthodox (while I do see they are completely different). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page would not be appropriate. Dab pages are for terms that are ambiguous, which is not the case here. Oriental Orthodox Christians are never called Orthodox Christians in a stand-alone fashion, only (Eastern) Orthodox are. Place Clichy (talk) 00:47, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Austrian Empire–Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth border
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting austrian empire–polish–lithuanian commonwealth border
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Habsburg monarchy–Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth border" as the Austrian Empire did not exist at that time. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. On top of that, the one article is about a river that was the border between the Habsburg monarchy and the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth for only about 20 years. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:French Polyensian expatriates in France
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french polyensian expatriates in france
 * Nominator's rationale: As French Polynesia is part of France, it does not make sense to have an "expatriates in France" category. Also note the category title features a typo in Polynesian. S.A. Julio (talk) 03:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't make sense. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - another singleton category from Johnpacklambert with multiple flaws. Oculi (talk) 01:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


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Men's international footballer categories
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 18:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming The below 724 701 categories, from "Fooian international footballers" to "Fooian men's international footballers".


 * Nominator's rationale: The subcategories of should be aligned to use "men's" per the outcome of this RfC from 2022, where it was decided to separate the footballer category tree by players of men's and women's football. Previously, the category tree only had women as subcategories, for example  was a subcategory of, and  was a subcategory of . The men's/women's footballer category trees will now operate independently, which should therefore be reflected in the naming of these categories. Also note that the categories describe players by which country they are representing in international football, so therefore whether or not "men's" is used in the title of the national team article is not relevant (otherwise these categories would be titled "Foo national football team players"). S.A. Julio (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: 23 of the lists categories were included in a later CfD that was closed, and these will be removed procedurally. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Why can't "Lists of country international footballers" be unisex? Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose it could, but then it wouldn't really make sense to be within the men's/women's national team category trees if it contains players from both teams. S.A. Julio (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * They currently are subcats of "Lists of country sportspeople" (unisex). I'm not seeing a category such as "Lists of country footballers", so maybe even better option to rename? Example Category:Association football in Spain lists direct subcat is "Lists of Spain international footballers‎". Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Is Category:Lists of association football players by nationality unisex? Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, those categories are unisex. Maybe the category tree could be changed to "Lists of Fooian footballers" or "Lists of footballers in Foo", I'm mostly indifferent on the matter. Though note that some categories such as are quite useful, as there are eight different lists that would otherwise have to be placed in . S.A. Julio (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The alternative proposal on that RFC was just to make the categories unisex i.e. upmerge the women's one into the general category. That got significant support, albeit the split got more support. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for international teams per PRIMARYTOPIC, to ensure that the category name matches the article naming. GiantSnowman 11:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The format of these international player categories explicitly don't follow the national team article names, though. If that were the case, the categories would be titled "England national football team players" and the like. Also, the naming of categories should be unambiguous, having recently gone through these categories there were many instances of women's players categorized in the men's team categories. The category naming should provide clarity for readers, for example the category for Birmingham is titled (per consensus). Unlike articles which may have the benefit of a disambiguation hatnote at the top, categories are often added to an article without ever seeing the category page. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually I think creating a new cat "England national football team players" and such would be good idea. It's a bit illogical that youth players are subcats of the NT players, while they are completely different teams. "International players" could be their parent cat. "England under-21 international footballers" does not directly refer to the U21 team either, just that the player are under the age of 21. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 'England under-21' refers to players who play for the England under-21 team, not just players generally under that age! GiantSnowman 15:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I know. But for clarification the subcats to main national team footballers can't be footballers who played for a different team (such as junior teams). Similarly Category:England national football team is only for the main team (otherwise the name of the cat should be "England national football teams" in plural, which is covered by the Category:England national football teams) and not for the youth teams - there is Category:England national youth football team (should be renamed to plural too). Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment 23 categories from Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_20 removed as redundant. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Democratic Party city council members of California
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:California Democrats. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 16:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting democratic party city council members of california
 * Nominator's rationale: In my quick check through several other states' city council members categories, it looks like we have category trees by city and sometimes gender and race but no category division by political party. I think in many locations, these are non-partisan offices so I'm not sure if this is a new category tree that should be created. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: My motivation for Category:Democratic Party city council members of California is to make Category:California Democrats a container category that contains only sub-categories and does not directly contain pages. The existing sub-categories use elected office at the state and federal level; my idea was to add local titles.
 * Correct that city council is often non-partisan, but to my knowledge most city council members do have a party affiliation that can be a defining characteristic.
 * Alternatives:
 * Create a category for Democratic Party local elected officials of California
 * Find an alternate categorization scheme for Category:California Democrats
 * 🌊PacificDepthstalk 06:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Find an alternate categorization scheme for Category:California Democrats
 * 🌊PacificDepthstalk 06:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Was the only remaining open CfD on this date. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep (or rename to local officials), this is a proper subcategory of Category:California Democrats by political office. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete city governments are, more often than not, theoretically non-partisan in the United States. Therefore, extending the partisan tree to local government is unhelpful. Individuals should be kept in the Democrats category if they were elected in a partisan system.--User:Namiba 11:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and upmerge the members to Category:California Democrats as below — actually, many cities and counties in the US use a partisan election model, as it depends on the state and often the year of the charter. Non-partisan elections usually means a smaller party wants to disguise its members for better election chances. But there's no good reason for a triple intersection at this entry level. There is no need to containerize Category:California Democrats. It is merely a big state.
 * Procedural issue — and  have added Container category to Category:California Democrats, after it was not approved for splitting, and it was not approved as a container, and it is now full of articles from  below. There is no such thing as an "aspirational" container.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * This category is probably not going to be kept when I look at the discussion above. In that case the category should be merged to Category:California Democrats as W.A. Simpson correctly noticed, rather than plainly deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


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Biota of the Amazon rainforest
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 * The result of the discussion was: as follows.


 * Merge Category:Biota of the Amazon basin to Category:Amazon basin and others
 * Keep Category:Fauna of the Amazon
 * Rename Category:Birds of the Amazon Basin to Category:Birds of the Amazon rainforest
 * Keep Category:Fish of the Amazon basin
 * Keep Category:Flora of the Amazon
 * Rename Category:Trees of the Amazon to Category:Trees of the Amazon rainforest (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Biota of the Amazon basin to Category:Biota of the Amazon rainforest
 * Propose renaming Category:Fauna of the Amazon to Category:Fauna of the Amazon rainforest
 * Propose renaming Category:Birds of the Amazon Basin to Category:Birds of the Amazon rainforest
 * Propose renaming Category:Fish of the Amazon basin to Category:Fish of the Amazon rainforest
 * Propose renaming Category:Flora of the Amazon to Category:Flora of the Amazon rainforest
 * Propose renaming Category:Trees of the Amazon to Category:Trees of the Amazon rainforest
 * Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination after inconclusive discussion on Speedy page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Category:Fauna of the Amazon to Category:Fauna of the Amazon basin – C2C per parent and sub-cats. I am not sure whether the Flora sibling should follow suit. I nominated this one following Biota which was just renamed, but I see you are still discussing the Birds subcat below. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know myself what to do with this as the category lead says it's for both the river and the basin and I'm not sure they 100% overlap. But whatever is done for this should also be for the Flora. --Gonnym (talk) 21:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think they always match, because flora categories follow World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions. But WikiProject_Plants/World_Geographical_Scheme_for_Recording_Plant_Distributions does not have an Amazon-based region. Shall we take this hierarchy to a full CFD, from Biota down? – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably, but I don't personally have a lot to add to it. Gonnym (talk) 10:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * the category should be renamed Fauna of the Amazon rainforest... the Amazon basin does not encompass all of the Amazon rainforest... therefore some species might be situated inside the Amazon rainforest but outside the Amazon basin --Couiros22 (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Birds of the Amazon Basin to Category:Birds of Amazonia – more pertinent category ; some eastern parts of the Amazon rainforest (Amazonia) are located outside of the Amazon Basin Couiros22 (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What is Amazonia? Do you mean Amazon rainforest? Gonnym (talk) 12:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * At the very least the title should be with lowercase "basin" per Amazon basin. Gonnym (talk) 12:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, the Amazon rainforest (synonym=Amazonia cf. article). alternatively we could just rename it as "Birds of the Amazon rainforest" --Couiros22 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case the category should use "Amazon rainforest" as that is what the article uses as its title. Gonnym (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds like this is not a speedy case. Ymblanter (talk) 06:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * the bare-eyed antbird is located inside the Amazon rainforest but outside the Amazon basin. --Couiros22 (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It should become consistent, for a start. Either rename all to "rainforest" (as nominated) or rename all to "basin". Marcocapelle (talk) 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree to rename to "rainforest" although you might want to leave the category "Fish of the Amazon Basin" as it is. --Couiros22 (talk) 10:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Indented to show subcategories. Duplicate "Fauna" instead of "Flora", fixed.
 * The Amazon basin is a place, and the Amazon rainforest covers most of it, but extends outside of it. Impossible to be consistent without fragmentation.
 * Birds can fly outside the basin, but still reside in the rainforest.
 * Fish are always going to be in the basin, not the rainforest (until they learn to fly).
 * Upmerge Category:Biota of the Amazon basin to all subcategories, it only has 2 subcategories, it is a shim that will never grow.
 * Keep Category:Fauna of the Amazon
 * Rename Category:Birds of the Amazon Basin to Category:Birds of the Amazon rainforest
 * Keep Category:Fish of the Amazon basin
 * Keep Category:Flora of the Amazon, matching Category:Fauna of the Amazon
 * Rename Category:Trees of the Amazon to Category:Trees of the Amazon rainforest
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Agree that we should keep fish in the basin and keep flora in the rainforest so we cannot achieve perfect consistency after all. I would still prefer to have everything in the rainforest except fish. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Fauna of the Amazon and Category:Flora of the Amazon cannot be kept as Amazon is an ambiguous title as can be seen by the dab page and this discussion. Gonnym (talk) 10:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Comment — In this case, ambiguity is good, as it means flora and fauna do not need to be split into fractional categories by "basin", "sedimentary basin", "reef", and "rainforest". Nobody is confusing them with a technology company.
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