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Category:Defunct English Football League clubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:English Football League clubs. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 04:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting defunct english football league clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: In a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football regarding English Football League club categories, it was pointed out that this appears to be an unnecessary outlier: no other leagues have a defunct subcat, instead it tends to go by nation, then into regions if sufficiently populated - England has a full set of defunct football clubs by county. Although it has existed since 2011, seems to be superfluous. Crowsus (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: a discussion on a possible merge target is open at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 31 Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Deleteper nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:English Football League clubs with the same rationale as nom as not all entries are in both categories. Current status of clubs that have played in the league is better conveyed in List of former English Football League clubs. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * (Merge to Category:Former English Football League clubs if kept) Kaffet i halsen (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:English Football League clubs. No need for a separate category for defunct clubs here. Number   5  7  11:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete per WT:FOOTBALL discussion. GiantSnowman 18:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The logical and consistent intersection of and . So, keep it. Teterev53 (talk) 16:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:English Football League clubs. The year of disestablishment category handles this. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century women presidents in Europe

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Women presidents in Europe. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 04:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging (un-splitting) Category:21st-century women presidents in Europe to Category:Women presidents in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: Indirectly WP:G4 per the 2010 "20th and 21st-century rulers" CfD. Today, I was building up new branches of the "presidents" and "prime ministers" trees, when I ran into this old but well-established precedent from 2010 not to categorise 20th and 21st-century "rulers" by century. This included "heads of government", "monarchs", "national presidents", and "viceregal rulers". 91 categories were deleted in total, while only 7 (including Category:21st-century presidents of the United States) had no consensus. 17 of these categories have been re-created since (which shouldn't happen per WP:G4). Although none of these are the four "by century" cats I have created today, I have gotten very close by creating Category:21st-century prime ministers in Europe, while Category:21st-century heads of government in Europe was deleted in 2010. The 2010 rationale for deleting all these "20th and 21st-century rulers" categories still holds true today: it complicates category trees, clutters article, and arbitrarily divides categories by time-bands which bear no relation to the widely-accepted historical epochs. I have found that to be correct. However, before nominating all such categories for deletion/merging again with one swift stroke, I prefer nominating just 1 of the four I created today for upmerging (un-splitting), as a test case to see if we still agree on the validity of the 2010 CfD's closure. As I could only find 4 women presidents in Europe that did not hold office in the 21st century, but the 20th, this is the easiest target for un-splitting back to just Category:Women presidents in Europe. If we all agree on that, we can look at further steps. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: To be honest, for the next 77 years we probably won't need a Category:22nd-century women presidents in Europe category, and we do not have to worry about the 4 pre-2000 female European presidents taking up too much space in that now otherwise empty category. Putting them all in one single century-less category seems perfectly doable. The continent category trees (which the 2010 CfD did not question) should provide sufficient subdivision. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge (also) per WP:OCEGRS, women presidents specifically of the 21st century (or separately of the 20th century) is very unlikely to become a notable stand-alone topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I provisionally agree. Would "Category:21st-century presidents in Europe" (without a gender in the name) be a notable stand-alone topic? Because that is going to be the next question. Gender wasn't really an issue for the 2010 CfD; overcategorisation "by century" (specifically the 20th and 21st) was. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The difference is that by nationality and by period are "standard" diffusion criteria. That does not apply to diffusion by gender (which is applicable here), ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "Women" / "Female" is a well-established defining trait for politicians. Anyway, my question was: Would "Category:21st-century presidents in Europe" be a notable stand-alone topic? Or should we also let go of the "21st-century" bit? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is that we should let go of all 20th and 21st century biography categories because 99% of Wikipedia biographies are about 20th- and 21st-century people. But I am quite sure that there is no consensus for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that there probably won't be a consensus for that. But at least the 2010 CfD established a consensus for deleting 20th- and 21st-century categories for "heads of government", "monarchs", "national presidents", and "viceregal rulers". So we could apply/enforce that consensus right now to those categories, especially those that have been re-created after being deleted by the 2010 CfD. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That is fine with me. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Republic of Ireland international futsal players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting republic of ireland international futsal players
 * Nominator's rationale: No other 'futsal players by national team' categories exist for other countries, as given the relatively few number of notable futsal players, many will have played for their national team. This differs from football, where there are an extremely large number of notable players who have not played for a national team. This nomination follows the outcome of a similar CfD from last month. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:20, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


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Assassinated American county and local politicians by time
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all subcats to Category:Assassinated American politicians. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:19th century assassinated American county and local politicians to Category:19th century assassinated American politicians and Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Propose merging Category:20th century assassinated American county and local politicians to Category:20th century assassinated American politicians and Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Propose merging Category:21st century assassinated American county and local politicians to Category:21st century assassinated American politicians and Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Even more WP:SMALLCATs in the Category:Assassinated politicians by time tree created earlier this month by . Overall, the tree is very hard to navigate due to the numerous WP:SMALLCATs and because some pages, such as the 21st century one, are not in all relevant parents. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @LaundryPizza03 can you be respectful of other editors work and abide by the civility policy? It was hours of work categorizing things and your uncollegial behavior is uncalled for. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned that you created too many tiny categories and numerous redundant levels, and that some of the categories you created are incompletely categorized, which inhibits navigation and makes it harder to maintain the category tree. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a statistical mentality and my focus is in trying to help the reader as much as possible. I saw patterns in the assassinated politicians and I simply reflected those patterns in the trees. Some categories may be populated by a single page but the important issue is that said categories belong to a parent category that help having all pages categorized and also helps visualizing the differences.
 * For example, I am planning on categorizing assassinated politicians by state in order for the reader to be able to go faster to the relevant info when looking for only politicians assassinated in certain state. Some states may not have none, others probably will have only one page and yet others will have several.
 * Per WP:CATEGORY, The central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to Wikipedia pages in a hierarchy of categories which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that civility is important, and that there is no reason for calling out a creator in thus manner in a rationale (even though I understand the frustration). But I must say that it is also important to seriously consider if creating certain categories is really necessary. Just a few hours ago I discovered that I shouldn't have created four "21st-century Fooians" categories, and I'm now looking to revert my own creations.
 * Before assuming something will help navigation, we must as ourselves questions. Is it likely that readers are going to look for "19th century assassinated American county and local politicians" when they want to know which, say, Kentucky politicians have ever been killed? I don't think so. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the mentioned WP:CATEGORY guidance, we provide categories to provide navigational links to browse. When I stumbled on the Category:Assassinated American politicians I became interested in the topic and started having questions and as I was seeking to answer those questions I started categorizing to answer them. For example, which politicians where killed in the 20th century? Which were federal and which were state officials? And so on.
 * I understand that categories in general are not visited a lot. But if I can help those few specialized readers or researchers have an easier time finding information, I am happy. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 02:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * If merged, I'd rather upmerge the whole tree of Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians: "county and local politicians" is a case of WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think WP:OCMISC is relevant here. It precisely states the opposite of this case. I guess you are highlighting, "It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into subcategories." But my understanding is that sentence is specifically part of the whole paragraph, whose main theme is, "Do not categorize articles into "miscellaneous", "other", "not otherwise specified" or "remainder" categories."
 * Basically the main point is that if there are no proper categories for certain pages, it is not necessary to categorize them if one doesn't have a specific, relevant category. Which is not the case here as it has a specific and relevant category which has actually a few pages contained therein. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not a specific relevant category. After presidents, senators, governors and the like this is just the big bowl of "other" politicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect. County and local jurisdictions is the regular denomination in the United States used in the government, courts, reliable sources, and people, not something I made up. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 16:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "County and local" is a miscellaneous denomination, because there's no reliable organizational level below the state level, even within most individual states. Ergo, WP:OCMISC. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 04:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * County and local is a regularly used category in the United States to denote jurisdictions below the state. At the top of the hierarchy is federal, then state, then county and local.   Thinker78  (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Carchasm There is an existing Category:Local politicians in the United States. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * sounds like something that should be nominated for deletion. looking at the contents, that one is WP:OCMISC as well. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 03:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a CfD 10 years ago. Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 24 with the result of keep Category:Local political office-holders in the United States; delete Category:American local politicians. But it was ten years ago and there are many more new parent categories since then. Regardless, the term "local" was recognized as appropriate. Thinker78  (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle See above. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Categories with 5 articles are not small categories, and there are probably more extant Wikipedia articles that belong in these categories. They are brand new and Thinker78 probably did not have the time to locate more articles. Dimadick (talk) 04:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 27 This 2010 CfD appears to be highly relevant to this CfM. Although these county and local politicians are probably not classified as "rulers" or "heads of state and government", much the same principles and practical issues seem to apply. The overcategorisation "by century" (specifically the 20th and 21st) was recognised as causing systemic navigational problems and article-bottom-clutter problems: In most cases it complicates category trees, clutters article, and arbitrarily divides categories by time-bands which bear no relation to the widely-accepted historical epochs. Those are general concerns, but in numerous previous discussions there has been particularly strong resistance to applying these categories to 20th and 21st-century people, where the category clutter is already severe. This applies particularly strongly to heads of state and government....
 * I would not be opposed to Upmerging the country-wide "by century" categories either. Because let's survey:
 * Category:18th century assassinated American politicians has only 2 P.
 * Category:19th century assassinated American politicians has ten decades-based C, four of which have 1 P (SMALLCAT), three of which have 3 P (almost SMALLCAT), only two have 12 and 13 P, and the "county and local" (here nommed for Upmerging) has 5 P. Total: 40 P.
 * Category:20th century assassinated American politicians has nine C ranging from 1 to 5 P each, for a total of 27 P.
 * Category:21st century assassinated American politicians has 4 C ranging from 1 to 3 P each, for a total of 6 P. Plus an extra Category:21st century assassinated American politicians by type which contains the same 6 P.
 * Grand total: 72 P. Given that categories can house 200 items before needing a "next page", there is no need for this subdivision "by century", let alone "by decade", nor a separate "county and local" cat, nor a separate "by type" cat. These all fit in one single Category:Assassinated American politicians, where 66 of these 72 P are already in. So.....
 * Merge all to Category:Assassinated American politicians per Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 27 (and WP:SMALLCAT/WP:OVERLAPCAT/WP:NARROWCAT/WP:OCMISC). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * About the clutter in some articles in the category section, maybe we should have a better system to organize categories in articles. I am familiar with clutter in the body of articles, but I am not in the end matter. When does it become clutter? About the American politicians, that's not the topic of this thread.
 * "divides categories by time-bands which bear no relation to the widely-accepted historical epochs". How does that apply in American history? I don't think it does very much. There are no Middle Ages politicians that we know of in the historical record in America for example. And readers are more familiar with centuries than niche historical periods in America. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 17:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Instead of assuming "it does not very much apply in American history", you could also read what the 2010 CfD actually said, namely: In some cases, an attempt has been made to address the clutter problem by sub-categorising an existing category for holders of a particular office, such as Category:Presidents of the United States. That example illustrates rather well how flawed this idea is: to avoid the clutter caused by existence of the people-by-century categories, the 44 presidents of the United States have been split into 4 sub-categories, which impedes navigation and places turn-of-the-century presidents such as Bill Clinton in two categories for that one office (Category:20th-century presidents of the United States and Category:21st-century presidents of the United States). Further efforts to fix this mess by sub-categorising will only compound the problem, and whatever we do we are left with categories which don't much help navigation. The best solution is to just delete these categories, before more well-intentioned editors put further effort into fixing the unfixable. The nominator explicitly addressed American politicians as one of the worst examples of overcategorisation. We could easily fit these 72 assassinated American politicians into 1 category. All others can go. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This doesn't address the argument about "widely-accepted historical epochs". In addition, I see those categories mentioned in the CfD still standing after more than 10 years. Can you expand on impeding navigation? Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nederlandse Leeuw I don't think that paragraph of the 201 CfD is relevant here because the specific problem of categorizing twice in the same category the subject simply does not happen with assassinated politicians, because the event didn't happen in two centuries at the same time. And it really begs the question why the editor would think people are not interested in finding about events only in certain century. It is normal in reliable sources to talk about events by century and summarize things that happened in a century. Thinker78  (talk) 21:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting that the whole tree contains so few articles and that nearly all articles are already in the top category of this tree. Under those circumstances, merging all of it is a pretty obvious outcome. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What tree are you talking about? I'm not understanding why other topics are being discussed about your proposal, which is confusing things and making it unnecessarily more complex and long. Populating categories takes time and collaboration. The subcategories in the Category:Assassinated politicians by continent for example was mostly empty and Fayenatic london helped populate it. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 00:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the category tree has at least has 5 pages, complying with the reported threshold of small cats consensus. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 21:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nederlandse Leeuw, is your rationale that unless a category has 200 entries it should not be diffused? Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:17, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Assassinated American politicians. The issue here is really WP:NARROWCAT that this creates narrow groupings that hinder rather than help navigation. (I'll support whichever merge targets have a consensus.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @RevelationDirect There was a CfD 10 years ago. Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 24 with the result of keep Category:Local political office-holders in the United States; delete Category:American local politicians (although I don't know if there was the category American politicians). The Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians‎ has 12 pages. The subcategory Assassinated American mayors has 9 pages. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Jeez, look at all that participation back then; with categories not displaying on the mobile view CFD is truly doomed. 2) I'm open minded about "local politicians" categories in general but "county and local" doesn't make sense because counties are a subset of local 3) I'm not arguing WP:SMALLCAT but WP:NARROWCAT. In other words, I'm not saying these categories have too few articles, I'm saying it makes more sense to categorize them both as assassinated American politicians and by their specific office, but that this combination cat doesn't aid navigation. 4) Procedurally, be careful to avoid WP:BLUDGEON as this is the third time in this discussion you've posted this reply. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @RevelationDirect I am no fan of curtailing discussion in such a way because it prevents an organic discussion and allows the majority to impose their opinion more easily. Having said that, I merely replied to different editors because oftentimes editors only monitor replies to their own comments and not the entire discussion. My objective was not to bludgeon in my point of view, merely to inform individual editors. But you bring a relevant point and I will abstain from posting anymore in this particular thread unless someone specifically asks me for something. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 02:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment The nomination has been reworded slightly for civility. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all subcats to Category:Assassinated American politicians. Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCMISC, these are quite overkill really. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 04:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:OCMISC doesn't apply. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 24#American local politicians. Thinker78  (talk) 19:49, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge all subcats to Category:Assassinated American politicians. Oculi (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Below is the whole list of subcats to be merged back. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Gotta love deletionists... Thinker78  (talk) 05:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle If you want to delete all those categories that I created and took me many hours, at least have the cordiality to make new proposal threads for each similar category (decades, centuries, types). Because the discussion regarding individual decades is gonna be different than for centuries or types. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 05:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In the discussion above I do not see any different arguments for decades than for centuries. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * For starters, centuries will be more populated than decades. Second, centuries are less diffused categories than decades. Thinker78  (talk) 22:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The conclusion of the discussion above is that Category:Assassinated American politicians does not need any diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the opinions above were rendered before I added additional reasons, like the CfD of 2013 about local politicians. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If "x decade assassinated American politicians" don't stay, at least don't delete them but merge them with the appropriate "x century assassinated American politicians". The 19th and 20th century have 40 and 23 pages, passing the reported consensus of SMALLCAT of 5-10. The 21st century has 6 pages, meeting at least the 5+ pages threshold. There is no unified historical periods in the history of the world, except by countries or some continents.
 * Using centuries is common in history and reliable sources for analysis and more convenient for browsing. Look at the article History of the United States, the periods there are much more diffused than just by century. And time periods are essential in the analysis of history. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If Category:Assassinated American politicians by type doesn't hold up, then at least
 * keep
 * Category:Assassinated presidents of the United States‎ for notability,
 * Category:assassinated American county and local politicians because it has 12 pages meeting the consensus threshold of SMALLCAT and there was a 2013 discussion to keep the Category:Local politicians in the United States,
 * merge
 * Category:Assassinated United States House members and candidates‎ (8 pages) and Category:Assassinated United States Senate members and candidates‎ (5 pages) in Category:Assassinated United States Congress members and candidates (13 pages),
 * Category:Assassinated American State House representatives‎ (16 pages) and Category:Assassinated American state senators‎ (5 pages) in Category:Assassinated American State legislators‎ (21 pages),
 * Thinker78 (talk) 21:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Generally, the year of assassination is less defining than the decade or historical period in which it occurs.--User:Namiba 22:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:1810s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1820s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1830s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1840s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1850s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1860s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1870s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1880s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1890s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:18th century assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1900s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1910s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1930s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1950s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1960s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1970s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1980s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:1990s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:19th century assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Category:19th century assassinated American politicians
 * Category:2000s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:2010s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:2020s assassinated American politicians
 * Category:20th century assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Category:20th century assassinated American politicians
 * Category:21st century assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Category:21st century assassinated American former and incumbent party officials
 * Category:21st century assassinated American politicians by type
 * Category:21st century assassinated American politicians
 * Category:21st century assassinated American state and territory politicians
 * Category:2nd millennium assassinated American politicians
 * Category:3rd millennium assassinated American politicians
 * Category:Assassinated American council members
 * Category:Assassinated American county and local politicians
 * Category:Assassinated American federal politicians
 * Category:Assassinated American former and incumbent party officials
 * Category:Assassinated American former elected officials
 * Category:Assassinated American governors
 * Category:Assassinated American mayors
 * Category:Assassinated American politicians by century
 * Category:Assassinated American politicians by decade
 * Category:Assassinated American politicians by type
 * Category:Assassinated American state and territory politicians
 * Category:Assassinated American State House representatives
 * Category:Assassinated American state senators
 * Category:Assassinated American territory politician
 * Category:Assassinated American-British politicians
 * Category:Assassinated United States House members and candidates
 * Category:Assassinated United States Senate members and candidates
 * Category:Assassinated American politicians by time


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Category:2nd millennium assassinated American politicians
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2nd millennium assassinated american politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary for a country established in 1776, and incorrectly populated anyway. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Notice that the History of the United States starts in prehistory. How is it incorrectly populated? Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 21:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's in the Category:Assassinated politicians by nationality tree. There was no "American nationality" before 1776. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In a sense you are right but in another sense it belongs to American history and therefore it is an American page and American is under the nationality tree. Besides, there is only one politician assassinated before 1776 in the category. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 23:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:21st century assassinated American politicians belongs in the 3rd millennium. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed it, thanks. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I also had that thought before creating the category but I did it in order to include America in a tree with other countries that have ancient histories that go back a few millennia. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 23:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't make sense for the United States. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I entertained that thought as well before creating it. But then my intention was joining this category with similar ones of other geographic locations that have history for millennia. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Before Common Era assassinated politicians
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Category:Ukrainian Association of Football officials
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

First:
 * Propose merging Category:Ukrainian Association of Football officials to Category:Football Federation of Ukraine officials
 * Propose merging Category:Ukrainian Association of Football chairmen to Category:Football Federation of Ukraine chairmen

Then:
 * Propose renaming Category:Football Federation of Ukraine chairmen to Category:Ukrainian Association of Football chairmen
 * Propose renaming Category:Football Federation of Ukraine officials to Category:Ukrainian Association of Football officials
 * Nominator's rationale: Same entity and article and categories that should have been speedy renamed. Football Federation of Ukraine are the older categories; Ukrainian Association of Football is the name of the article and category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 21:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy Merge/Rename Per WP:C2D. The main article has been stable since 2019. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated heads of state by continent
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Category:Assassinated heads of state by time
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Assassinated heads of state by time
 * Propose deleting Category:Common Era assassinated heads of state
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium assassinated heads of state
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium assassinated heads of state by continent
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium assassinated African heads of state
 * Propose deleting Category:20th century assassinated African heads of state
 * Propose deleting Category:1980s assassinated African heads of state
 * Propose deleting Category:Assassinated heads of state by decade
 * Propose deleting Category:Assassinated African heads of state by decade
 * Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this tree, who is already in Category:Assassinated heads of state. All other branches of the category tree are empty and will therefore be speedy deleted per C1. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There are currently 98 pages of assassinated heads of state. If a reader wants to find out about assassinations in a specific decade, say for example is curious about who else got assassinated besides Kennedy during the 1960s then a category for 1960s assassinated heads of state would help. AND I PROTEST THE MASS DELETION PROPOSAL. Not all of them should be discussed in the same thread, this is not helpful. Thinker78  (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DEL-CONTENT If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input. My plan is to populate these categories as they have actually many instances of assassinated heads of state in each. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 00:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, there isn't an urgent reason to diffuse and creator of the categories is apparently not populating them. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is getting frustrated. Why don't you try helping populate them instead of just deleting everything? Just replying to this unreasonable threads have taken me some time. I would find it reasonable if you propose a single category for deletion to give me and other editors time to populate it. @Marcocapelle Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The categories have been left empty for no less than 11 days. As you apparently did not have time to populate the categories you created, you should have waited creating them until you'd have time to populate them. (This is of course apart from the fact that the categories are not useful at all.) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not populate them because it was a lot of work and I started them because Wikipedia is a collaborative project, not purely individualistic. My intention was to make them available for editor to start populate them and help readers. It would take time for editors to start populating them and yes, I was planning on helping to populate them through time, not all at once. Creating one category took me to creating a parent branch and creating a parent branch led me to create others. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 22:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Thinker78, never create a category before you plan on using it. Empty categories are deleted. Also, categories exist in a hierarchy so inventing your own way to do things that doesn't reflect the way that categories have been used over the entire project is generally not successful. Novelty is not appreciated. Decisions about how to use categories and the proper names and scope for them have been worked out over decades of discussions at CFD. The regular participants at CFD have an almost encyclopedic knowledge of the category structure on Wikipedi so I'd listen to their advice. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not create empty categories, I gave them all at least one page, but in a couple of times someone else removed the page later on. If you don't appreciate novelty, well that is your opinion, not Wikipedia guidance, or is it? I am hard pressed to think that novelty is not appreciated when actually every new edit that every single editor in the project makes is a novelty in one way or another.
 * In fact the whole Wikipedia project has been a ridiculed novelty in many places, since established academicians thought absurd that an encyclopedia written by random anonymous people could be taken seriously. Therefore, I take your words regarding novelty with a grain of salt. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 03:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Creating a category and just putting one article in it is disruptive and misleading towards fellow Wikipedia readers and users: if they visit the category page they will think that there is only one article in Wikipedia that fits the criteria as described in the category title. Please do not do this again, just populate the category right away or do not create the category page at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please cite relevant guidance and stop being aggressive. I already mentioned I am new to categorization and you only are seeing negative stuff disregarding the fact I mentioned to you that I have spent many hours categorizing. Instead of accusations, try holding a friendly discussion. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I am trying to explain the negative effect of your behaviour. Hopefully you understand what I was saying. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also trying to explain the negative effect of your behavior. Since I'm practically new to categorizing, check WP:NOBITING and let's work from there. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 23:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, WP:NARROWCAT and redundant precision. Brandmeistertalk  08:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 27 (and WP:SMALLCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:NARROWCAT, WP:OCMISC). See also my full analysis at the "Assassinated American county and local politicians by time" CfM. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will check them out. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 23:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as there is no need for these diffused categories. Drdpw (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:WEDONTNEEDIT? Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 04:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - as others are saying, it is in general a good idea to (1) provide 2 (or more) parents for a new category; (2) find at least 5 articles which clearly belong; (3) use existing trees rather than inventing new ones. Eg we do not have Category:Heads of state by time, Category:Common Era heads of state, Category:2nd millennium heads of state, Category:2nd millennium heads of state by continent, Category:20th century African heads of state, Category:1980s African heads of state, Category:Heads of state by decade, Category:African heads of state by decade. (An existing tree is Category:Heads of state in Africa.) Oculi (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you share a policy, guideline or essay for further information regarding your advice? Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 23:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Waiting until there are 5+ articles is sound advice. The WP:SMALLCAT editing guideline I actually find really frustrating because it doesn't give a clear number to help new-ish editors. Nonetheless, 5 articles has been a common long-term interpretation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @RevelationDirect, perhaps we should change the guideline to clarify the minimum articles a category should have, given the current consensus. There are no end of categories that fail SMALLCAT, maybe it would help.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1685788172534:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_30" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  10:29, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Clicking through all these categories to find articles does not aid navigation, per WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I will copy my comment from Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion: there is no problem with time, you are free to ask for a week or two to populate the categories. That being said, given you created the categories, the onus is on you to populate them, not to leave it to other editors. You should try to add at least 5-10 articles to each category.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1685788041458:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_30" class="FTTCmt">— Qwerfjkl  talk  10:27, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Drink stub templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bartending stub templates to Category:Drink stub templates and Category:WikiProject Bartending templates
 * Propose merging Category:Beer stub templates to Category:Drink stub templates and Category:WikiProject Beer templates
 * Propose merging Category:Mixed drinks stub templates to Category:Drink stub templates
 * Propose merging Category:Pubs stub templates to Category:Drink stub templates and Category:Pubs Taskforce templates
 * Propose merging Category:Beverages Task Force user templates to Category:Beverages Task Force templates and Category:Drink user templates
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only 1 template in each. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:UNESCO nomenclature
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:UNESCO nomenclature to Category:UNESCO, Category:Classification systems, Category:Library cataloging and classification, Category:Academic literature and Category:International classification systems
 * Nominator's rationale: only contains 1 page after former pages 4-digit UNESCO Nomenclature & 6-digit UNESCO nomenclature were redirected to the eponymous article by Drmies in August 2022. Some interwiki categories include other UNESCO listings e.g. Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger, but these are different from the "UNESCO nomenclature" which is for classifying academic research. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * This could have been a speedy merge under WP:C2F, but I judged that it was worth keeping a record of the reason for merging. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Coca-Cola
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Beverages Task Force. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WikiProject Coca-Cola to Category:Beverages Task Force
 * Nominator's rationale: No such WikiProject or task force. Gonnym (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The two member pages could probably be taken to MfD, as the project was deleted 12 years ago per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Coca-Cola. Anyway, merge the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Soft Drinks
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 * Propose merging Category:WikiProject Soft Drinks to Category:Beverages Task Force
 * Nominator's rationale: No such project WP:WikiProject Soft Drinks. It redirects to WikiProject Food and drink/Beverages Task Force. Gonnym (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:WikiCheese
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cheeses task force. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikicheese
 * Nominator's rationale: One page for an event that happened in 2014. Don't see any future pages being added here. Gonnym (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Cheeses task force. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Australian football clubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: disambiguate. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting australian football clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Disambiguate-like category to link two categories that already are in Category:Sporting clubs in Australia, and one article that would fit better in a Category:Soccer teams in Australia category under Category:Association football teams by country. An alternative could be to rename to that and remove the Australian rules football category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * As it was already in a "clubs" category I have moved Australian First Nations Mariya down into Category:Soccer clubs in Australia. I suggest that a "teams" category should only be created if there are more pages to be added. As for the nominated page, disambiguate between soccer and Australian rules. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That category could include Australian First Nations Mariya, Victoria state soccer team results, Category:Soccer clubs in Australia, Category:Australia men's national soccer team, Category:Australia women's national soccer team, and Category:Women's soccer teams in Australia following similar categories. Should the disambiguation category also have Category:Australian rules football clubs? Kaffet i halsen (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, that would be enough for a teams category. I would say No to the last question. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Drafts about animations
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 * Propose deleting drafts about animations
 * Nominator's rationale: All drafts that used to have this category are now in Category:Drafts about animation. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Category is empty. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Aesthetics
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . While I was involved, it seems better to close this discussion asap because it is pointless that editors keep commenting on a withdrawn proposal. If I did wrong, feel free to revert, then I will just let it go. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Theories of aesthetics to Category:Theories of philosophical aesthetics
 * Propose renaming Category:Japanese aesthetics to Category:Japanese philosophical aesthetics
 * Propose renaming Category:Movements in aesthetics to Category:Movements in philosophical aesthetics
 * Propose renaming Category:Concepts in aesthetics to Category:Concepts in philosophical aesthetics
 * Propose renaming Category:History of aesthetics to Category:History of philosophical aesthetics
 * Propose renaming Category:Aesthetics literature to Category:Philosophical aesthetics literature
 * Propose renaming Category:Aesthetics organizations to Category:Philosophical aesthetics organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: In the past decade (or two) the term "aesthetics" has picked up a secondary colloquial meaning in popular culture as a synonym for "style" - renaming this category to a more disambiguating term that is also used by the IEP will hopefully prevent some of this confusion &#32;- car chasm (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Withdrawing as there's significant opposition to the move.


 * Question, shouldn't Aesthetics be renamed, to begin with? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a good point, I've moved the page and put a link to this discussion in the edit summary. I don't necessarily expect any pushback but there may be an objection I haven't thought of. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Conditional support unless objections are raised to the article rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There appears to be abundant opposition to the article move. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose The move of the parent article has been done without discussion. I don't think this is the WP:BOLD case, so an RM should take place first before considering relevant categories. Brandmeistertalk  18:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * opened an RM &#32;- car chasm (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose all. These were all based on an unauthorized page move (now reverted). Softlavender (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Despite the course of the RM discussion, I can still imagine we rename Category:Aesthetics to Category:Aesthetics (philosophy). Occasionally we add a disambiguator in a category name when there isn't one in the article name, and that may be appropriate here too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good idea, but I think I might nominate it separately in the future. I've considered making Aesthetics (disambiguation) as well as a result of a suggestion at the RM discussion, there are a lot of incoming links to that page which seem to be looking for other topics, but in many cases I'm not sure there *is* a target page (or associated categories) yet. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose No disambiguation needed if the main article is not renamed. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:43, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Formal RM There is a formal WP:RM at Talk:Aesthetics. Your input (pro/con/other) is welcome there. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Defer To whatever the outcome of the WP:RM is, whether I agree with that outcome or not. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose The RM has sunk like a stone, and this proposal should be withdrawn. User:Carchasm has been doing all sorts of changes, many of which seem inappropriate to me, and may have to be reverted. He seems to be trying to empty Category:Aesthetics, shoving articles to inappropriate sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 19:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've already withdrawn the proposal, and I'm moving pages in Category:Aesthetics to appropriate subcats per WP:SPECIFICCAT, independent of this proposal. &#32;- car chasm (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" politicians
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Batkivshchyna politicians. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:25, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" politicians to Category:Batkivshchyna politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D main article Batkivshchyna. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy the main article had a formal WP:RM and we should defer to that outcome. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:2012 Summer Paralympics wheelchair basketball templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  16:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2012 summer paralympics wheelchair basketball templates
 * Propose deleting 2016 summer paralympics wheelchair basketball templates
 * Propose deleting 2020 summer paralympics wheelchair basketball templates
 * Propose deleting 2024 summer paralympics wheelchair basketball templates
 * Propose deleting 2012 summer paralympics volleyball templates
 * Propose deleting 2016 summer paralympics volleyball templates
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT Frietjes (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Question, shouldn't the categories be upmerged instead of plainly deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * already done, for example, Category:2012 Summer Paralympics sports navigational boxes is a subcat of Category:2012 Summer Paralympics templates. Frietjes (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ALT-1: Merge Category:2012 Summer Paralympics wheelchair basketball templates to Category:Wheelchair basketball templates and Category:2012 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Category:2016 Summer Paralympics wheelchair basketball templates to Category:Wheelchair basketball templates and Category:2016 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Category:2020 Summer Paralympics wheelchair basketball templates to Category:Wheelchair basketball templates and Category:2020 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Category:2024 Summer Paralympics wheelchair basketball templates to Category:Wheelchair basketball templates and Category:2024 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Category:2012 Summer Paralympics volleyball templates to Category:Olympic volleyball templates and Category:2012 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Category:2016 Summer Paralympics volleyball templates to Category:Olympic volleyball templates and Category:2016 Summer Paralympics templates
 * Frietjes please look for opportunities to merge when recommending deletion of categories in future. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , you are suggesting that we put Volleyball at the 2016 Summer Paralympics in Category:Olympic volleyball templates and Category:2016 Summer Paralympics templates? (1) The Category:Olympic volleyball templates is for the Olympics, not the Paralympics, and the template is already in Category:Volleyball at the Summer Paralympics navigational boxes, which would be a subcat of Category:Paralympic volleyball templates if it existed (instead we have Category:Volleyball competition navigational boxes) (2) The template is already in Category:2016 Summer Paralympics sports navigational boxes which is a subcat of the category Category:2016 Summer Paralympics templates. or are you suggesting something else? Frietjes (talk) 16:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologise – I had not looked in the navbox categories, thinking that these were sidebar templates and not navigational boxes. The only missing connection was to place Category:Wheelchair basketball at the Summer Paralympics navigational boxes into Category:Wheelchair basketball templates. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as adequately categorised already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Some of these categories are being emptied by Frietjes prior to this CFD being closed. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sports venues in Alexandria, Louisiana
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports venues in Alexandria, Louisiana to Category:Sports in Alexandria, Louisiana and Category:Buildings and structures in Alexandria, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia
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 * Propose deleting statistics of the covid-19 pandemic in australia
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT of unclear necessity. No other country on earth has its own dedicated "Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in [Country]" subcategory, is nowhere near large enough to need that anyway, and two articles is nowhere near enough for Australia to warrant special treatment. No upmerging needed, as both of the articles here were left in  and/or  alongside this, meaning they're both already appropriately categorized in all of the plausible merge targets. Bearcat (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The category may be small but it should not be deleted because of that.  Dancing  Dollar ( let's talk ) 03:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it should. Small categories are a hindrance in easily finding related articles, it results in extra scrolling through the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for Now with no objection to recreating if it ever reaches 5+ articles (not redirects). - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Medal of Economic Merit ( CORECON-SE ) laureates
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:31, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medal of economic merit ( corecon-se ) laureates
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT for an award that doesn't have its own article at all to scan for whether there are any other people who could be added to it. This was further created as that perennially irritating error where the category page is misused as a substitute for the article that the topic doesn't have, by packing an article-like introduction and primary source referencing directly into the category page itself. And even if somebody with more knowledge of this topic than I've got can actually find enough other potential entries to salvage it, it would still need to be renamed for conformity with Wikipedia's category naming conventions anyway. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Pichpich (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete likely can be populated but clear WP:OCAWARD. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Film directors from Alappuzha
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Category:St. Louis City SC draft picks
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting st. louis city sc draft picks
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT for just one person, who's also already in alongside this. There's been an explosion of "[Specific team] draft picks" categories of late, but there's a need for some discussion as to whether this is really warranted or not. It doesn't seem like there's a genuinely defining distinction between getting onto a team as a "draft pick" and getting onto the same team by some other process -- so if a person is already in a "[Team] players" category, then it seems like overcategorization to also categorize them as "[Same team] draft picks" alongside that, and if a person was a team's "draft pick" but then ended up not playing for the team at all for some reason and thus isn't in "[Team] players", then it seems unlikely that having been drafted for a team they never actually played for would be defining at all. So for both of those reasons, it's not entirely clear that categorizing players for their status as a specific team's draft picks would be necessary at all, and even if it's justifiable in some instances it still wouldn't aid navigation to create an exhaustive smorgasbord of small categories for just one or two people anyway. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this category as small and nondefining and open to future nominations. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Paul Kyser
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting paul kyser
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a musician without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. As always, every musician who exists does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course -- they're only warranted for musicians who have a lot of spinoff content that needs categorization for its relationship to that person but falls outside the standard songs/albums category schemes that already exist, such as films or books about the person. But all that's here is the standard "BLP + Songs written by Paul Kyser", which is not sufficient basis for an eponymous category to bunch them together. Bearcat (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - QUOTE: "category for a musician without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. As always, every musician who exists does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course ". I agree with the last part that " every musician who exists does not automatically get one of these as a matter of course", but that's really not the case here, is it! Yes, Paul Kyser is a former musician. He sang in a Doo Wop group back in the late 50s or early 60s. He also plays piano etc.. But what has been left out here is that Kyser is ... a promoter ... record label owner ... music executive ... singer ... songwriter ... record producer and arranger ... and more! It won't put his body of work here but you can see it at Discogs, Paul L. Kyser at Discogs ~ ~ ~ and .. .. .. .. ~ ~ ~ The reason why I created the category was because there are other categories that will go in. In addition to Category:Songs by songwriter ... there will be Category:Song recordings by producer ... Category:Albums by producer ... Category:Albums by arranger, etc. . Also at least one of his record labels is notable and would be in the category list. Also, most likely one of his production companies. Karl Twist (talk) 06:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't preemptively create categories in anticipation of future content for them; we wait until that other content does exist, and then create the category to group it together afterward. Bearcat (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete until there is more content. For now, I have added "See also" links between the contents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The two subcategories interlink with one another, although that doesn't matter much since the content of each is identical. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now with no objection to recreating if 5+ direct articles ever appear. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Education in Samurou
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting education in samurou
 * Propose deleting education in haoreibi
 * Propose deleting education in wangoi
 * Nominator's rationale: Three single-entry WP:SMALLCATs for "Education in [Small town in India]", all newly created solely to overcategorize the same public primary school with no evidence of any other potential entries (and neither Haoreibi nor Wangoi even named in the school's article at all). Bearcat (talk) 13:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The article may not survive either. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. All three are now empty as the article didn't survive. Pichpich (talk) 16:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ghana Communication Technology University alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ghana communication technology university alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT for just one person. As always, every university that exists does not automatically get an "alumni" category the moment it has one notable alumnus -- there have to be at least five people with articles to file in it before an article becomes justified. And while checking the school's "what links here" offered a couple of other people who could have been filed here, it still wouldn't get to five. Bearcat (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Tamil Nadu MPs 2009–2014
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tamil nadu mps 2009–2014
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT. Wikipedia does not have any scheme of subdividing "Indian MPs YYYY-YYYY" categories by individual state; (which the person here is already in) has no other subcategories for any other state, and there are no other "Tamil Nadu MPs YYYY-YYYY" categories for any other Lok Sabha session. Bearcat (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, as Category:Lok Sabha members from Tamil Nadu and Category:India MPs 2009–2014 do not have intersection categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:List of Indian controversial films
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:18, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting list of indian controversial films
 * Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia does not have any scheme of categorizing films for their "controversial" status. And even if it did, the category name would be inappropriate, as categories for things are named "X", not "List of X", while "Lists of" (not "List of") categories are not for making lists, but for categorizing articles which are lists. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. We just categorize controversies insofar controversies are notable in themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. The "list of" bit could be fixed by rename, it is the "controversial" part I've got a problem with. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Very subjective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Already exists Category:Film controversies in India. Gotitbro (talk) 04:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century heads of state of Greece
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:21st-century Greek politicians. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose downmerging Category:21st-century heads of state of Greece to Category:21st-century presidents of Greece
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nederlandse Leeuw Did you see it is part of a series with 19th-century heads of state of Greece‎ (2 C, 11 P), 20th-century heads of state of Greece‎ (3 C)? Regards,
 * ‎ Thinker78  (talk) 00:38, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I did. Different situation. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 05:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep No rationale given. Dimadick (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. This just hinders navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:21st-century Greek politicians as the target sub-cat is not directly in that parent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That does the job too. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a fine alternative. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:21st-century Greek politicians. So far, there have only been presidents. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge' to Category:21st-century Greek politicians per @Fayenatic london and @RevelationDirect Cheers! // <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold;">🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 13:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century heads of state of France
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 * Propose downmerging Category:21st-century heads of state of France to Category:21st-century presidents of France
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Keep No rationale given. Dimadick (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. This just hinders navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Admin note: In practice, this should be implemented by simply deleting, because telling the bot to downmerge would place the target category into itself. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge Since, so far, there are only presidents. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:07, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:21st-century heads of state of Germany
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 * Propose downmerging Category:21st-century heads of state of Germany to Category:21st-century presidents of Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Keep No rationale given. Dimadick (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. This just hinders navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Admin note: In practice, this should be implemented by simply deleting, because telling the bot to downmerge would place the target category into itself. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:56, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Downmerge This does not aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:07, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century German emperors
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:20th-century German emperors to Category:German emperors
 * Propose upmerging Category:19th-century German emperors to Category:German emperors
 * Nominator's rationale (20th): WP:SMALLCAT there was only 1, there never will be more than 1. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale (19th): WP:SMALLCAT there were only 3, there never will be more than 3. There were only ever 3 German emperors ever. It doesn't make it a particularly full category to have 3 items in 1 category. I understand that the navigational timeline at the top is fun, and that categorising categories by centuries is fun, but it is pretty useless in the case of 3 German emperors. We don't need this. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "and that categorising categories by centuries is fun" Keep. No category is fun. They are useful in locating articles and specifying chronology. Century-based categories are useful for navigation, while categories which are not based on a specific period such as Category:German emperors are practically useless. Dimadick (talk) 14:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. 17:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan721 (talk • contribs)
 * Triple/dual merge per WP:SMALLCAT, also to Category:20th-century heads of state of Germany+Category:20th-century monarchs and to Category:19th-century monarchs respectively. Dimadick is right insofar these articles should stay in the appropriate century trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems like a fine solution to me. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Triple/dual merge per Marcocapelle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:06, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cypriot monarchs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Monarchs of Cyprus. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:38, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cypriot monarchs to Category:Monarchs of Cyprus
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC to make clear "Cypriot" does not refer to the nationality of any monarch (originally) from Cyprus who may have reigned over some other country, but that "Cyprus" was the country reigned over by the monarchs in question (the Suggestion B principle). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, more precise phrasing of what is meant here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Heads of state of Austria
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Category:Anyone (band) members
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:14, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anyone (band) members
 * Nominator's rationale: This category had four members. Two, I could find no citations saying they were ever in the band. The other two (Davison and Hawkins) were in Sylvia, a predecessor band, rather than in Anyone, and their membership is a pretty obscure part of their histories and fails WP:CATDEF. I have thus removed the category from all 4 articles. We now have an empty category, which should be deleted. The Anyone article is a mess, with concerns over paid editing. Bondegezou (talk) 09:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, as creator. When I made the category, I had trouble figuring out this band's membership, and it's not surprising why. Let's remove it.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied already. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Four sons of Horus
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Horus and Category:Children by deity. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting four sons of horus
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, there are no standalone articles on each of them - all are mentioned and redirected to Four sons of Horus. That article is already inside Category:Groups of Egyptian deities. Brandmeistertalk  09:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Double merge to Category:Horus and Category:Children by deity, as the nominator – despite his experience here – has not given a justification for removing the member article from those parent hierarchies. This merge could be completed speedily under WP:C2F. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Double merge by Fayenatic london's proposal. Dimadick (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Double merge per User:Fayenatic london. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Double merge per User:Fayenatic london. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Education in Jämtland
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge/delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 04:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Education in Jämtland to Category:Education in Jämtland County
 * Propose merging Category:Higher education in Östersund to Category:Education in Jämtland County and Category:Östersund
 * Propose merging Category:Higher education in Sundsvall to Category:Education in Västernorrland County and Category:Östersund
 * Propose merging Category:Education in Östersund to Category:Education in Jämtland County and Category:Östersund
 * Propose deleting Category:Education in Härnösand
 * Propose deleting Category:Education in Sundsvall
 * Propose deleting Category:Higher education in Härnösand
 * Propose deleting Category:Higher education in Jämtland
 * Propose deleting Category:Higher education in Västernorrland County
 * Nominator's rationale: Nine categories for the category Category:Mid Sweden University and Swedish Defence University. Category:Education in Sweden by county categories would have the possibility to grow as there are more than 100 articles on different schools and universities. An alternative is to delete all as both are in Category:Universities and colleges in Sweden. Jämtland County instead of Jämtland as all articles are about education during Counties of Sweden era and not Provinces of Sweden era.


 * The intention is the result should be: Category:Mid Sweden University to Category:Education in Jämtland County, Category:Education in Västernorrland County, and Category:Sundsvall (already in the two other city categories); Swedish Defence University to Category:Education in Jämtland County and Category:Östersund. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge/delete per nom. Too many unnecessary layers. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Aces
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Aces (military). (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:47, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aces to Category:Military aces
 * Nominator's rationale: For clarity, to specify what sort of Aces it refers to. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom, or else to Category:Aces (military) per Ace (military). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Aces (military) to match parent article Ace (military) per User:Marcocapelle -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt. Rename to Category:Aces (military) to match the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Thai Industrial Standards
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 11%23Category:Thai Industrial Standards

Category:ISIRI standards
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 11%23Category:ISIRI standards