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Category:Fictional contract killers
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Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in 2008

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lacrosse clubs disestablished in 2008
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in this category. Let&#39;srun (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I find it hard to support one category in a (weakly) yet established tree. A larger nomination that encompasses more of Category:Lacrosse clubs by year of disestablishment would be more likely to get supported. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support now that I've added the only child page to category Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 2008 Mason (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is more of a feeling the waters regarding this tree. If there is support, I would nominate additional categories there which have the same issue. Let&#39;srun (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in the 2000s and Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 2008 assuming that sibling categories will be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in the 2000s and Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 2008 as per WP:SMALLCAT. This should also be done for other years like this that are clear smallcats. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Crowsus (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cricket teams in the San Francisco Bay Area

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cricket teams in the San Francisco Bay Area to Category:Cricket teams in California
 * Propose merging Category:Cricket teams in Sacramento to Category:Cricket teams in California and Category:Sports clubs and teams in Sacramento, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Not likely to grow given cricket's lack of popularity in the United States. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It may not be a popular sport now, but it seems likely to grow in the future. California is the place that is being targeted by Major League Cricket and the 2028 Los Angeles Summer Olympics for cricket to grow, and the Bay Area in particular has a large South Asian diaspora which is noted for being big supporters of cricket. So I would at least hold off for a few years before considering such a merge. GreekApple123 (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose I feel this is WP:TOOSOON. As stated above, the U.S. has been a center of attention for cricket as of late and is being targeted in anticipation for the T20 World Cup next year, as well as 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles. Not to mention, the introduction of Major League Cricket has further enticed major resurgence of the sport in the U.S., and California. Right now, we are at the epicenter of the growth of the cricket in the U.S. and should wait and see if it truly takes off, or just flips dead (hoping it’s the former, though! Fingers crossed…). Cheers!! -- WellThisIs TheReaper  Grim 00:17, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but the opposite is true as well with regards to WP:TOOSOON. You could argue that these categories were created too soon, and should wait for the growth to occur after these major upcoming events. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose so. Nevertheless, I believe that we should keep the category as is (for now, at least!). Cheers! -- WellThisIs TheReaper  Grim 05:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now without prejudice to recreation when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for now not enough articles right now to justify a separate category. If the situation changes in 5 years time as there are a lot more notable cricket teams there, then it would be reasonable to re-create/unmerge the category then. But we shouldn't be keeping this based on the hope and expectation that more teams may exist in the future. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for now as above - a category on Wikipedia won't encourage these clubs to be established, but once they are, there can be a category for them. Crowsus (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to Prussia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Immigrants to the Kingdom of Prussia. I will manually purge Martynas Mažvydas. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Immigrants to Prussia to Category:Immigrants to the Kingdom of Prussia
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to align with parent Category:People from the Kingdom of Prussia and to clarify that this is about the powerful German state of the 18th/19th century. Purge Martynas Mažvydas who migrated to the Duchy of Prussia, in the 16th century a fief of Poland. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename and purge per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 07:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Indo-European culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting indo-european culture
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection with language family. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike Proto-Indo-European society, there is no relation among the various speakers of Indo-European languages. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The Indo-Europeans don't have a single culture. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: other former subcats have been deleted e.g. purging and merging of Indo-European religion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_July_24. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


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Combat families
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American combat sports families‎ (2 C) to Category:Sports families of the United States and Category:Combat sports families
 * Propose merging Category:Australian combat sports families‎ (1 C) to Category:Sports families of Australia and Category:Combat sports families
 * Propose merging Category:Russian combat sports families‎ (1 C) to Category:Russian families and Category:Combat sports families
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, creating 3 categories for 4 families is clearly a matter of overcategorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * support per nom Mason (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge the first two as nominated. Merge the Russian one only to Category:Russian families as it is already in another subcat of Category:Combat sports families, namely Category:Mixed martial arts families. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: this is a follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 3. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Female serial killers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated. (Fingers crossed XFDC can handle closing this discussion!) (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Argentine female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Argentine female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Argentine serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Belgian female serial killers‎ (3 P) to Category:Belgian female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Belgian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Brazilian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Brazilian female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Brazilian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Chilean female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:Chilean female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Chilean serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Chinese female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:Chinese female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Chinese serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Croatian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Croatian female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Croatian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Czech female serial killers‎ (3 P) to Category:Czech female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Czech serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Danish female serial killers‎ (3 P) to Category:Danish female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Danish serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Dutch female serial killers‎ (3 P) to Category:Dutch female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Dutch serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Egyptian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Egyptian female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Egyptian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Finnish female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:Finnish female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Finnish serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Greek female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:Female serial killers and Category:Greek serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Indonesian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Female serial killers and Category:Indonesian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Iranian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Iranian female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Iranian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Irish female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Irish female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Irish serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:New Zealand female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:New Zealand female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:New Zealand serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Norwegian female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:Norwegian female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Norwegian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Polish female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Polish female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Polish serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Portuguese female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Portuguese female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Portuguese serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Serbian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Serbian female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Serbian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:South African female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:South African female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:South African serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:South Korean female serial killers‎ (2 P) to Category:South Korean female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:South Korean serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Soviet female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Female serial killers and Category:Soviet serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Swedish female serial killers‎ (3 P) to Category:Swedish female murderers, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Swedish serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Taiwanese female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Taiwanese female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Taiwanese serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Ukrainian female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Ukrainian female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Ukrainian serial killers
 * Propose merging Category:Vietnamese female serial killers‎ (1 P) to Category:Vietnamese female criminals, Category:Female serial killers and Category:Vietnamese serial killers
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the female serial killers tree is not well-populated and creating micro categories is not helpful for navigation. Also per WP:OCEGRS, female serial killers of any of these nationalities in particular is not a notable topic in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per evident WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCEGRS. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom toobigtokale (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 22:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Colonial people of German New Guinea
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Colonial people of German New Guinea to Category:German people in German New Guinea
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, both categories have the same scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom. I'm leaning towards merge because it's less ambiguous who belongs in the category. Mason (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Immigrants to Nazi Germany
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Immigrants to Nazi Germany to Category:Immigrants to Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, Nazi Germany was not a former German state, it was just Germany. Considering the content of the single article, it may be moved to Category:Latvian expatriates in Germany instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 22:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 22:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Dr Who Proms
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Proms concerts and Category:Music based on Doctor Who. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Dr Who Proms to Category:Doctor Who Proms
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if "Proms" is a proper word here or not which is why I'm not sending this as a C2D fix. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Proms concerts. That point is moot, since it's a WP:SMALLCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably also merge to Category:Music based on Doctor Who. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Proms concerts and Category:Music based on Doctor Who. WP:SMALLCAT, no evidence that there will be more events/articles for this category anytime soon, as these were 2 events in 2008 and no more in the last 15 years. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with superhuman features or abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters with superhuman features or abilities to Category:Fictional superhumans
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of fictional superhuman characters to Category:Lists of fictional superhumans
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability to Category:Fictional superhumans by ability
 * Nominator's rationale: Run on title that is unnecessarily long. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you have any intent to rename Category:Fictional superhuman features or abilities or Category:Fiction about superhuman features or abilities? This refers to Superhuman, is that okay? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If this succeeds then yes, I'd probably remove the "features" naming from them as well. I personally think "ability" is vague enough that it can even encompass inherent features like immortality. I didn't want to mix characters and their abilities into the same discussion and risk it becoming a trainwreck. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then support. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support renaming AHI-3000 (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who have mental powers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional psychics. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters who have mental powers to Category:Fictional psychics
 * Nominator's rationale: Downmerge per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Most subcategories would fall under psychic powers. Illusionism would not, and should be purged from the category entirely. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support merger AHI-3000 (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge, not a clear difference between the two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge due to overlap. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom Mason (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with absorption or parasitic abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters with absorption or parasitic abilities
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. Made by blocked, disruptive user. Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids is the defining version of this category, but I'd assume very little, if any articles from this one would qualify that aren't already there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:00, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge/split Category:Fictional characters with absorption or parasitic abilities into Category:Fictional characters who can copy superpowers and Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete or (manually) merge to Category:Fictional parasites and parasitoids, not a clear difference between the two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, possibly mixing two different topics in an unclear manner. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters granted magic or power through dealings
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (except subcat). (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters granted magic or power through dealings to Category:Fictional characters who use magic
 * Nominator's rationale: Yeah, this is just straight up WP:NONDEF and made by a blocked, disruptive user. Making a deal with... whoever is not a primary character trait, just a technicality of the story. Of course, Category:Fictional characters who have made pacts with devils‎ should not be upmerged and simply removed from the category, because it does not specifically mean they received magic.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge (and purge subcat) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge and purge per nom. As a matter of fact, I have removed the subcategory mentioned, for lack of controversy in doing so. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:49, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with evocation or summoning abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters with evocation or summoning abilities to Category:Fictional summoners
 * Nominator's rationale: The main article is "evocation", but I think that in a fictional context, this name is much more simple and recognizable. It also implies a role rather than just having the power, which would not really be defining in some characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename I am neutral between the proposal and Category:Fictional evokers. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am perfectly fine with that too, either are better than the current title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename with a slight preference for Category:Fictional summoners. HouseBlastertalk 00:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with healing abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional superhuman healers. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters with healing abilities to Category:Fictional superhuman healers
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Fictional physicians - yes, that's defining. But simply having "healing abilities" encompasses everyone who can cast a spell in a JRPG (or in the case of Ana from Overwatch, who can shoot a gun). The only way I can see to save this category is to purge everyone who isn't specifically a healer by trade. Category:Fictional characters with accelerated healing would be purged from the category, as they are not healers in the traditional sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose your argument has already been addressed with the opening notice to the category which says " Must be a defining trait - Characters with access to vast powers (i.e. magical spells, advanced technology, genetic engineering, etc.) who are theoretically capable of this superhuman feature or ability - but whom have neither made regular use, nor provided a notable example, of this extraordinary or supernatural feat - are not listed here. " There are categories for so many powers that could have the same issue (ex Category:Fictional characters with fire or heat abilities), but we easily get around that by just limiting to characters in which it's a defining ability. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 15:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Therein lies the rub - a character whose healing abilities define them must be a healer, hence the rename. Characters who simply happen to have healing powers, but are not healers, are not defined by said abilities. The current name encourages any character who can heal to be added. The fact is that many of these categories are in need of a rename, but I don't want to bombard everything. (As an addendum, I'd probably rename the mentioned category to Category:Fictional pyrokinetics).  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That would be an entirely different scope though because it will no longer limit it to characters who have superpowers. The category is for characters who notably have a superpower to heal others. There aren't even a hundred articles in the cat. We are not actually having any issues with too many characters being added to it. You're creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 15:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'd be open to naming it Category:Fictional superhuman healers, then? The current title doesn't specify the superpowered part, at all. That's part of the problem, and what caused the confusion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be neutral on moving it to Category:Fictional superhuman healers. Definitely a much better title than just healers, though I remain in unconvinced that it needs to be moved. If you change it superhuman healers, you have my permission to strike my oppose !vote and replace it with neutral. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 15:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If others agree with your assessment, then I will definitely swap it to that. (I still think a "fictional healers" category should exist, so I'd probably just make it separately in that case). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment @User:Zxcvbnm also if you also want to include a conversation about merging Category:Fictional characters with accelerated healing‎ in this discussion, you need to include it your nomination where exactly you want to merge it into, tag the category and your proposal for all of its subcategories (ex: Category:Anime and manga characters with accelerated healing. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 15:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually it doesn't need to be merged anywhere, I was wrong. It's already in Category:Fictional characters by personal physical abilities which is good enough. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Fictional superhuman healers due to ambiguity. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 20:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional resurrected characters
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Category:Fictional soul collectors
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional characters with death or rebirth abilities. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional soul collectors to Category:Fictional characters with death or rebirth abilities
 * Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem like a defining ability or trait for a character and comes with a heavy dose of WP:SUBJECTIVECAT - is being able to steal one's soul collecting or destroying it? The exception is with Category:Fictional personifications of death, but we have an older category for that already. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, this is quite a bit broader than Mephistopheles. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Not clearly defined. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with soul abilities
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. signed,Rosguill talk 22:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters with soul abilities to Category:Fictional characters who use magic
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories, and they are quite unrelated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Just straight up delete. These are about spiritual type abilities and don't necessarily imply the use of magic. It's just a purely wrong cross-categorization in every way, shape and form. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is ok as well. We may even upmerge Category:Fictional characters with spirit possession or body swapping abilities to Category:Fictional characters with body or mind control abilities too. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Both subcategories, one of which is nominated for merger as well, are in other subcategories of Category:Fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional society
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Elements of fiction. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional society to Category:Elements of fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: I find it very tough to see how this category is necessary - it feels like either WP:SUBJECTIVECAT or WP:OVERLAPCAT. So these things are part of a society, but history, brands and events aren't? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Leaning to support, it aims to mirror Category:Society but that is not a great topic category either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Unnecessary layer. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 10:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by unfree labour occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters by unfree labour occupation
 * Propose deleting fictional conscripts
 * Nominator's rationale: Pretty unnecessary WP:SMALLCAT categories. There is no clear need for such categories with nothing to populate them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, the only article in Category:Fictional conscripts is already, and more appropriately, in Category:Fictional super soldiers. All that is left after that is Category:Fictional slaves. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete with no prejudice to recreation if Category:Fictional conscripts can be sufficiently populated and distinguished from Category:Fictional military personnel. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Illinois Jacquet live albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Not going to drag a discussion about category with a single article out for another week. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting illinois jacquet live albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one album in category. <b style="color: #15CFB6;">777burger</b> <b style="color: #22223;">user talk</b> <b style="color: #DB2121;">contribs</b>  06:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge (instead of delete) to Category:Illinois Jacquet albums and Category:Live jazz albums. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who use magic by occupation
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Category:Fantastic Beasts characters
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wizarding World characters. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fantastic Beasts characters to Category:Wizarding World characters
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT made by blocked user. Too tiny in scope to be necessary at all, with only the character list and Newt Scamander being unique to that spin-off. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Although Albus Dumbledore is already in Category:Harry Potter characters, I'd recommend dropping that category upon merger for reasons that are evident. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Discworld witches
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Discworld witches to Category:Discworld characters
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only a few articles that are not redirects. Made by blocked user. Could definitely be dual merged to Category:Fictional witches. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge as proposed, and to Category:Witchcraft in written fiction. Contents are the main article, 3 character articles, and 2 redirects. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dual merge per LaundryPizza. HouseBlastertalk 00:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional wandfighters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional wandfighters
 * Nominator's rationale: The concept of a "wand fighter" makes no sense, as they are magicians who fight with magic, not the wand itself. Of course, it was made by a blocked account. The category is nonsensical and should be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, I don't think this is even really much of an actual concept in fiction. AHI-3000 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. The articles are already, and more appropriately, in other categories like Category:Fictional wizards. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Likely intended to be Category:Fictional characters who use wands. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but still they are wizards and witches anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If it was renamed, how would it not overlap with witch or wizard? Are there any characters who use wands and are not wizards (or conductors, or something else they're defined by)? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, delete. Most articles should already be in another subcategory of Category:Fictional characters who use magic. 10:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaundryPizza03 (talk • contribs)


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Category:Fictional magicians and sorcerers
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Category:Slaves of the Buyid dynasty
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging and rename  Category:Slaves of the Buyid dynasty and Category:Buyid slaves to Category:Slaves under the Buyid dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: Two overlapping categories, that should be renamed to match the parent category Category:People under the Buyid dynasty Mason (talk) 03:41, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. We may also rename them to Category:Mamluks under the Buyid dynasty because while they grew up as slaves they are primarily known for their military career. See Mamluk. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cricketers by city or town in Scotland
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all except Selkirk. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cricketers from Banff, Aberdeenshire to Category:Cricketers from Aberdeenshire and Category:Sportspeople from Banff, Aberdeenshire
 * Propose merging Category:Cricketers from Inveraray to Category:Cricketers from Argyll and Bute and Category:Sportspeople from Inveraray
 * Propose merging Category:Cricketers from Peterhead to Category:Cricketers from Aberdeenshire and Category:Sportspeople from Peterhead
 * Propose merging Category:Cricketers from Rothesay, Bute to Category:Cricketers from Argyll and Bute and Category:Sportspeople from Rothesay, Bute
 * Propose merging Category:Cricketers from Selkirk, Scottish Borders to Category:Cricketers from the Scottish Borders and Category:Sportspeople from Selkirk, Scottish Borders
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT, these contain 3 or fewer articles and have been checked with no potential additions found. Very narrow intersection of specific sport+place, created along with others which contain more members so are viable. A few places did not have a Sportsperson parent above them for the ideal upmerge location, but user:Grutness has kindly rectified this over the past week. Please let me know of anything I'm doing wrong with the formatting of this nomination as I intend to do the same for a few other very small cats for other British localities and sports. Crowsus (talk) 02:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Heh - you beat me to it! Definite support for the ones with one or two articles, weak support for the one with three - still checking in case more articles turn up. PS -, could you give me a ping or similar when the others are nominated please <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg Grutness... wha?   11:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've managed to expand to five articles, so I'm !voting keep on that one. Grutness...  wha?   09:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll strike it from the list. Crowsus (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support for the ones with fewer than 3 articles, per WP:SMALLCAT. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:People from Austria-Hungary of Armenian descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 01:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose rename/merging Category:People from Austria-Hungary of Armenian descent and Category:Austro-Hungarian Armenians to Category:Armenian Austro-Hungarians
 * Propose merging Category:Italian people from Austria-Hungary to Category:Italian Austro-Hungarians
 * Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories. Both categories seem to effectively have the same scope. Mason (talk) 01:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


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