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Category:Kentucky women in equestrian field

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 06:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women in equestrian field to Category:American female equestrians
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women horse trainers to Category:Horse trainers from Kentucky and and Category:American female horse trainers‎
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women television personalities to Category:American women television personalities and Category:Entertainers from Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable intersection. Dual merge. Followup to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_4 Mason (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:American male chess players

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 * The result of the discussion was: deleted, apparently out of process. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 06:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Category:American male chess players, Category:German male chess players and others.


 * Propose deleting and restoring status quo as at 12 November 2023.
 * appears to have made a unilateral decision without consensus to overturn a long term practice on articles about chess players. He appears to believe that chess tournaments are usually segregated by gender, however this is not the case. While over 90% of competitive chess players are male, the vast majority of tournaments are open to all players. Examples of women competing alongside men in high level tournaments can be found as far back as 1929 and probably earlier. There are a few women only tournaments, but no men only tournaments; this form of positive discrimination is generally accepted by chess players. Some women prefer all woman tournaments, but these are relatively rare outside of Europe. Equally some women prefer to play against all comers, even if they're not so keen on the unwanted attention from male players. The main point is men's and women's competition is not truly segregated, and the status quo was preferable. The root of the unilateral non-consensus based decision can be found in this edit. If the decision stands, we have to go through thousands of articles about chess players just to add the intersection of gender and nationality, which seems like a total waste of time. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:EGRS, male chess is not a notable topic on its own. I will tag the two listed categories, but more should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, and restore the non-diffusing status of the gender category. Mason (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CATGENDER. Place Clichy (talk) 22:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think the argument can be summarized as "women's chess is a thing, men's chess is not". In fields where men and women don't compete directly with each other such as tennis, it's reasonable to have the categories "American male tennis players" and "American female tennis players". In fields where women have separate events but men don't, such as chess, it's reasonable to have a category "American female chess players" but not "American male chess players", same as there's a category for "British female Prime Ministers" but not "British male Prime Ministers". It gets especially ridiculous when historical figures such as Paul Morphy get their category changed from "American chess players" to "American male chess players". MaxBrowne2 (talk) 09:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. A terrible idea.  If necessary, place a Template:Non-diffusing parent category on Category:American chess players and the like to make clear that Judit Polgár is both in Category:Hungarian chess players and in Category:Hungarian female chess players, which seems correct.  SnowFire (talk) 17:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Science fiction location redirects
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Category:Doctor Who planets

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Doctor Who planets to Category:Doctor Who locations and Category:Fictional planets
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles and 3 files in this category. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.— TAnthonyTalk 15:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, without prejudice to recreation of the category when some more articles about this are written. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional planets by type
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional planets. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional planets by type to Category:Fictional planets
 * Nominator's rationale: There are no other subcategories in the target but Category:Fictional planets by work. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Musicals set on fictional moons
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Musicals set in outer space and Category:Works set on fictional moons. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Musicals set on fictional moons to Category:Works set on fictional moons
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT (musical + set on a fictional moon) with one entry. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Double merge per nom and Fayenatic london below. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Expanded my vote in italic. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Double merge also to Category:Musicals set in outer space. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See also Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 17. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)
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Category:Newsround presenters
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:British children's television presenters. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 06:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting newsround presenters
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  13:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are 12 who are not in the parent Category:BBC newsreaders and journalists, but perhaps a merge is not appropriate in that case, as this is a children's programme rather than a standard news programme. Manual merge to Category:British children's television presenters or national subcats where appropriate; all but one are currently not in any of those, but some were only occasional reporters anyway. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Blue Peter presenters
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:British children's television presenters. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 06:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting blue peter presenters
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  13:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is more WP:DEFINING than a lot of other TV shows, but is probably ruled out hy the guideline. Manual merge to Category:British children's television presenters or other subcats for the list and the other 34 member pages that are not already in one of those. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Top Gear people
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting top gear people
 * Nominator's rationale: Textbook WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  13:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Most of the media-business people have worked on other projects than Top Gear. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * listify -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Both articles already contain a list of presenters. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional spacecraft by work
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional spacecraft. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional spacecraft by work to Category:Fictional spacecraft
 * Nominator's rationale: Category layer with two subcategories. It is possible that it used to contain more, but those are now deleted. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge to Category:Fictional vehicles by work. I agree that it is unnecessary right now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Single merge per nom. Star Trek and Star Wars are already under Category:Fictional vehicles by work. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional spaceplanes
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional spacecraft. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional spaceplanes to Category:Fictional spacecraft
 * Nominator's rationale: A large share of fictional crewed spacecraft can be used in an atmosphere. WP:OVERLAPCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per WP:SMALLCAT. It would be great if there were more notable articles about fictional spaceplanes, but there simply aren't. Until that point comes (or probably doesn't), it should be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * also merge to Category:Fictional aircraft, since all spaceplanes are also airplanes -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 14:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * None of the articles in this category would ever realistically be called airplanes, and I don't think they'd even be called spaceplanes. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom – not also to aircraft, given the current contents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional spacecraft by type
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Category:Artificial wormholes in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fiction about wormholes. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Artificial wormholes in fiction to Category:Fiction about wormholes
 * Nominator's rationale: Pretty much an arbitrary distinction in science fiction. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per nom as WP:OVERLAPCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fiction about brain-to-brain communication
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. signed,Rosguill talk 23:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fiction about brain-to-brain communication to Category:Fiction about telepathy
 * Nominator's rationale: Near-synonymous category, differing only in the type of phlebotinum. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I should note that Brain-to-brain communication redirects to Brain–computer_interface. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete This is not telepathy, but it seems too vague to be defining, so that's a whole other can of worms. Call me when numerous relevant examples are found, otherwise delete per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Zxcvbnm. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Zxcvbnm. Neither of the articles in Category:Fiction about brain-to-brain communication mention telepathy. HouseBlastertalk 21:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Truss family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 06:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting truss family
 * Nominator's rationale: A category for short-time British Prime Minister Liz Truss, her father John Truss and her husband Hugh O'Leary, plus 2 redirects (imho very challengeable) linking back to the Liz Truss article. I think that these articles would be better served by in-article links one to the other rather than a category (hint: they are already linked). Place Clichy (talk) 12:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. This family does not appear to belong in Political families of the United Kingdom. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- wooden superman  13:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional doomsday scenarios
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Apocalyptic fiction. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:40, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional doomsday scenarios to Category:Apocalyptic fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT - largely just an overlap, as apocalyptic fiction is about doomsday scenarios in fiction. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Most contents are not about scenarios. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per LaundryPizza03. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:DC Comics weapons
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:DC Comics objects and Category:Fictional weapons. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:40, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:DC Comics weapons to Category:DC Comics objects and Category:Fictional weapons
 * Nominator's rationale: At its face, this is a 3-article category in one that isn't especially large, and where the objects in the subcategories are mostly not weapons. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge There were probably more things in the category when I made it, but either way removal of non-notable items has caused it to become untenable as a category for now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Given names with negative perceived cultural associations
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting given names with negative perceived cultural associations
 * Nominator's rationale: This recently created category seems to be entirely subjective and doesn't meet WP:NPOV, WP:DUE, WP:RS or satisfy WP:DEFINING. It has been added to articles without the article once mentioning any "negative perceived cultural association" (e.g., Brandon (given name)), where the perceived cultural association arises from the name being used as a villain in a film (e.g., Ursula (name)), or even where the name became more popular after being used as the name of a protagonist in a film (e.g. Samara (given name)). Ultimately, though, pretty much every name could be in the category, because I can probably find you a villain, criminal, or "negative perceived cultural association" for every name - real world or fictional - except for newly-invented Tragedeigh names: James - James Bond, regarded as a sociopath and misogynist by many. John - Long John Silver, notorious pirate. Mary - Typhoid Mary. And so on... <span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The names included in the character are those with reliable references that list them as having “negative perceived cultural references” and some sources do indeed list them as a group. The association was negative enough that it was written about. It’s not a list of names that you or I personally dislike. I haven’t found any sources that list Mary as a name with perceived negative associations. I think it is notable but go to it if you disagree. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Textbook WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Every single name has a negative association that one can find, so it makes no sense to have a category about it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. All the names included in the category are listed by reliable sources as having “perceived negative cultural associations” and some sources list multiple such names together. It’s notable enough that it’s the first thing many people think of when they hear the name — i.e. Adolf or, these days, Brandon or Karen, to the point that it’s been written about at great length. Multiple sources are not mentioning Mary or John as names with negative perceived cultural associations because they’re too widely used. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The subjectivity/arbitrariness is: negative associations to who? Game of Thrones fans might dislike or like someone named Daenerys, while others don't care. How is that representative of the general culture? The same thing applies to someone named Anakin and Star Wars fans compared to the public at large. When all it means is "negative associations by someone" it becomes essentially meaningless. That's all I will say on the subject, as it represents my incontrovertible thoughts about it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you bring it up again, I'll ask again - what's the "negative association" with the name Brandon? There is nothing in the article mentioning any negative connotation? <span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Let’s Go Brandon meme, a slur against Joe Biden. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. So... entirely subjective. It might be well known among Trump supporters, but that means it's well known, at best, among less than half of the American electorate. For the rest of the world, it's an uncommon forename and surname. <span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as too subjective. Even if a source gives a list of such names, they will only reflect that source's subjectivity, as perceived connotations by definition can only be subjective. Where I live, Kevin and Jennifer are among the given names most associated with negative cultural stereotypes, but they're not on any of the lists used to build this category apparently. Hence the subjectivity. Place Clichy (talk) 12:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have any reliable sources listed them as having negative cultural associations? They probably could be included, if so. It’s not a category for names I personally perceive as negative. It’s one where the association is noteworthy enough that it’s among the first things they mention about the name. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There's plenty of reliable academic coverage on the phenomenon, but it is usually in French. You didn't get the part when I wrote that this appreciation is local and subjective. Place Clichy (talk) 17:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional ghost ships
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional ships. No prejudice against recreation if it can be populated in the future. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional ghost ships to Category:Fictional ships
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only one category member left. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge without prejudice to recreation. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge without prejudice to recreation when multiple articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional aircraft carriers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. signed,Rosguill talk 23:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional aircraft carriers to Category:Fictional naval ships and Category:Aircraft carriers in fiction Category:Fiction about aircraft carriers
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains only two articles, failing WP:NARROWCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete These aren't even aircraft carriers, but airships. And they're already in Category:Fictional airships. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Airborne aircraft carriers are a thing in real life, but I agree with your reasoning against the naval target. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, the reason for the current categorisation is an earlier nomination by ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ at Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 15. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The second target was just speedily renamed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete i.e. leave merged to Category:Fictional airships alone. I have just added a link on Category:Fiction about aircraft carriers: "See also fictional airborne examples listed at Airborne aircraft carrier". – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


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Fictional naval ships
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated, without prejudice against recreation if they can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 21:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional ships of the French Navy to Category:Fictional naval ships
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional ships of the Soviet Navy to Category:Fictional naval ships
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional ships of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force to Category:Fictional naval ships and Category:Japan Self-Defense Forces in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT; we don't need to diffuse this category. Only one article in each. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge without prejudice to recreation of any of these categories when more articles are created. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


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Sports families by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all as nominated. A couple of notes:


 * 1) The general principle (which received unanimous support) is renaming "Sports families of XYZ" to "XYZ sports families". Category:Sports families of India was not listed in the nomination, but given it was mentioned in this discussion, tagged with a pointer to this CfD, and would qualify for C2C, I am IARing and including it in this close.
 * Category:Russian sports families by sport / Category:Russian sports families is currently empty, but it can also be populated as Fayenatic London suggested. I will be doing this one manually to ensure it gets populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Argentina to Category:Argentine sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Australia to Category:Australian sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Brazil to Category:Brazilian sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Canada to Category:Canadian sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of France to Category:French sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Ireland to Category:Irish sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Italy to Category:Italian sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of New Zealand to Category:New Zealand sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Russian sports families by sport to Category:Russian sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Samoa to Category:Samoan sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of Tonga to Category:American sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of the United Kingdom to Category:British sports families
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of the United States to Category:American sports families


 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Families by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete After Category:Russian combat sports families is merged, there will be nothing left. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This comment was premature. When I started the nomination I did leave a note in all-caps, "More to be added." – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What happened to Russia? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Reinstated after being lost in edit conflict. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The renamed Russian category should hold not only the one current subcat Category:Nurmagomedov family but also Category:Bure family & Category:Liukin family. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Mason (talk) 23:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Sports families of India is tagged as being part of this discussion but I don't see it listed here. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Russian sports families by sport is emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:G.I. Joe vehicles
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Fictional military vehicles and Category:G.I. Joe without prejudice against recreation if it can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:G.I. Joe vehicles to Category:Fictional military vehicles and Category:G.I. Joe
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one standalone article (Thunder Machine (G.I. Joe)) and one list (List of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero playsets and vehicles). –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per WP:SMALLCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, without prejudice to recreation of the category when more articles are created. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional ships by type
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional ships. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional ships by type to Category:Fictional ships
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer within Category:Fictional ships, which has only one other immediate subcategory. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, the other subcategory Category:Novels set on ships doesn't belong and is now gone. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge As WP:OVERLAPCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional seaplanes
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Fictional aircraft and Category:Fictional ships. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional seaplanes to Category:Fictional aircraft and Category:Fictional ships
 * Nominator's rationale: One article and two redirects, failing WP:NARROWCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per WP:SMALLCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Star Trek vehicles
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Category:Transformers: Super-God Masterforce character redirects to lists
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Transformers character redirects to lists. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Transformers: Super-God Masterforce character redirects to lists to Category:Transformers character redirects to lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Four-page category within a larger one that doesn't have any other diffusion. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional rings (jewellery)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional gemstones and jewelry. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional rings (jewellery) to Category:Fictional gemstones and jewelry
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary subcategory with 2 subcategories, 3 articles, and 1 redirect; one subcategory is already in the target, as is one of the articles. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per nom as unnecessary. If I was going to split the category, I would do it on the gemstones/jewelry line, not, arbitrarily, rings. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional musical instruments
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional objects. signed,Rosguill talk 23:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional musical instruments to Category:Fictional objects
 * Nominator's rationale: No longer necessary as a subcat, as List of fictional musical instruments is gone and there are only two articles left. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 11:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge Per nom as housekeeping. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dual merge, also to Category:Music in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have listified the current contents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to fictional objects. The other category (music in fiction) is not correct because it is a different focus. 12.172.21.120 (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional objects by type
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional objects. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional objects by type to Category:Fictional objects
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate layer. Note that some members are already within Category:Fictional technology, which itself is not here. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 10:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom, unnecessary layer of overlap.
 * ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Deliquescent substances
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Category:Fictional merchants
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional salespeople. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional merchants to Category:Fictional salespeople
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. A+B categories do not need to be made for every single category that has two or more parent categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Near-duplicate in scope; contains only two subcategories. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 10:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 16:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, redundant intermediate category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional market stallholders
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Category:Fictional junk dealers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional shopkeepers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional junk dealers to Category:Fictional shopkeepers
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT - the category has only a few members and in some cases, "junk" might be subjective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Not enough contents to stand on its own; no real-world equivalent. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 10:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Paintings of black people
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Category:Britain's German allies during the American Revolution
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Category:Soldiers of New Hampshire
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d  c̄ ) 06:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Soldiers of New Hampshire to Category:American soldiers and Category:Military personnel from New Hampshire
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. No other state has a soldier category. Mason (talk) 01:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge (not split) per nom. I also think that Category:American soldiers should be upmerged to Category:American military personnel, similarly its sibling categories, per WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd support the upmerge for Category:American soldiers as well. Mason (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


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