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Category:Films about FedEx

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films about FedEx to Category:FedEx in fiction Category:Fiction about FedEx
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary 2-article subcategory within one that has 4 articles total. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now I'm surprised there's enough content for even one category, honestly. No objection to recreation if the article count ever gets to 5 or so film articles to avoid WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom. I'd not be opposed to merging the entire Category:FedEx in fiction to Category:Postal systems in fiction for similar reasons. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dual merge, also to Category:Films about postal systems. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nom updated as the second target has been speedily renamed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Clocks in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 00:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting clocks in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: I have a feeling that this will be WP:OCTRIVIA, but otherwise it should be renamed to Category:Fiction about clocks. –LaundryPizza03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. The articles there aren't "really" about clocks - they're more about ghosts, or criminals, or what have you. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Military helicopters in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Military fiction. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Military helicopters in fiction to Category:Military fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, only 2 articles. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Per nom. The attack helicopter short story also belongs in Category:Short stories about aviation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The latter ✅ Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Children's books set in airports
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Works set in airports. No prejudice against recreation if it can be populated. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Children's books set in airports to Category:Works set in airports
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Per nom, though this could have really been avoided if people found enough relevant articles to satisfy WP:SMALLCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:5th-century Romans of Gothic descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:5th-century Romans of Gothic descent to Category:Romans of Gothic descent
 * Propose renaming Category:6th-century Byzantine people of Gothic descent to Category:Byzantine people of Gothic descent
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:NARROWCAT, we never diffuse descent categories by century. Note that after renaming most articles of the 5th-century category should be moved to the Byzantine category, and the three articles in Category:People of Gothic descent can be diffused. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Template:Chitral-geo-stub
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Category:Transport disasters in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Transport disasters in fiction to Category:Fiction about disasters
 * Propose merging Category:Films about transport disasters to Category:Disaster films
 * Nominator's rationale: Basically one of those WP:NARROWCAT X+Y categories that is largely unnecessary. No need to merge to anywhere else besides this, because the child categories are already in the requisite transport category as well. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Chitral District II
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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:History of Chitral to Category:History of Upper Chitral District and Category:History of Lower Chitral District
 * Propose splitting Category:Languages of Chitral to Category:Languages of Upper Chitral District and Category:Languages of Lower Chitral District
 * Propose splitting Category:People from Chitral District to Category:People from Upper Chitral District and Category:People from Lower Chitral District
 * Propose splitting Category:Populated places in Chitral District to Category:Populated places in Upper Chitral District and Category:Populated places in Lower Chitral District
 * Propose splitting Category:Union councils of Chitral District to Category:Union councils of Upper Chitral District and Category:Union councils of Lower Chitral District
 * Propose splitting Category:Tehsils of Chitral District to Category:Tehsils of Upper Chitral District and Category:Tehsils of Lower Chitral District
 * Nominator's rationale: Chitral District was split into Upper Chitral District and Lower Chitral District in 2018, so we will need to split. This split will be needed to carry out the outcome of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_22 for the main category, Category:Chitral District; the other subcategories, to my understanding, would belong in both Upper and Lower Districts' categories. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Split per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Britons who died as children
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Britons who died as children to Category:British children
 * Nominator's rationale: Their age at death is not defining. If it is kept, it should be renamed to British people who died as children Mason (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Merge or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment and  It has been a couple of years since I created this category but I think my rationale at the time was that its odd to include articles about people who if they had lived longer wouldn't be children anymore in a category called "British children".--Llewee (talk) 11:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT, unlike Category:Monarchs who died as children. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I think that the only content page Olivia Dahl is notable enough to be included in British children (she was already in American children, so I've added her to British children). But the child category is intentionally in country, not nationality. Mason (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Serer jurists
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Category:Fictional centaurs
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Category:Fictional harpies
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Category:Heavenly attendants in Jainism
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Heavenly attendants in Jainism to Category:Jain minor deities
 * Nominator's rationale: In line God_in_Jainism, these beings are generally called deities in English. Deity being a being who is worshipped; which these beings enjoy. While Digambaras detest the worship of these beings, Shwetambaras and some Digambara sects do worship these beings. There are per se not "attendants" Redtigerxyz  Talk 18:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose this What they mostly are is Hindu deities adopted into Jainism in some capacity. Just "Jain deities" is rather misleading, I think. It should be Category:Jain minor deities at most, and perhaps Category:Heavenly figures in Jainism is better. Johnbod (talk) 20:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Johnbod, Padmavati (Jainism), Chakreshvari, Ghantakarna Mahavir, Gomukha etc. which are instrincically Jain (not in Hindu literature) are often called Jain protective or guardian deities. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but as I'm sure you know, these later additions (mostly blow-ins from Buddhism or Hinduism) are not universally accepted, and should in particular be distinguished from Category:Tirthankaras, who are not exactly deities but much more important and universally accepted. Hence my proposal. I see by the way that this category isn't even in Category:God in Jainism, unlike the Tirthankaras. Johnbod (talk) 23:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Johnbod, Please refer Jainism and Deity - deities are specifically referred. [[Digambara Terapanth|

Terapanthi]] Digambaras limit their worship to tirthankaras; however other major sect of Shwetambaras and some Digambara sects do worship them. Wiley p.74 Deva (records two kinds of God - Tirthankaras - the highest and the rest), p. 237 Yaksa - the word deities is used. The category was removed. Cort pp. 61, 91-94 talks of the liberated gods (Jinas or Tirthanakaras) that Jains worship for moksha and unliberated gods like Padmavati, Ghantakarna Mahavir worshipped for wordly purposes. Mishra, Susan Verma; Ray, Himanshu Prabha (2016), The Archaeology of Sacred Spaces: The temple in western India, 2nd century BCE–8th century CE pp.140-7 uses "gods", "goddesses". This should be part of Category:God in Jainism. We cannot be biased to Terapanthi Digambara POV. See Digambara and Śvētāmbara regarding worship of deities, gods, goddesses. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 13:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Category:Yakshas and purge what does not belong there. As User:Johnbod notes, these yakshas aren't specifically venerated in Jainism but also in Hinduism and Buddhism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge to Yakshas Marcocapelle, not all Jain deities are yakshas; Ghantakarna Mahavir is a vira (protector deity) for example; others like Saraswati, Ganesha are Deva (Jainism).-- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ghantakarna Mahavir is (by exception) specifically associated with Jainism, this article should be moved to Category:Jainism. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, How do we handle:

Relisting comment: Relist is necessary as the proposal has changed. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Naigamesha, primarily a Jain deity less important in Hinduism, who is not a yaksha.
 * the various Hindu deities incorporated in Jainism - Ganesha, Saraswati, Bhairava (Nakodaji), Chamunda. Besides the Wikipedia links with references that already use the term "deities". https://jainpedia.org/themes/practices/deities/ (though not a RS). Johnbod and Marcocapelle, can we close with Category:Jain minor deities. The category name as it is - not accurate.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 14:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As I've said above, I'm ok with Category:Jain minor deities. Johnbod (talk) 15:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Changing the CfD to Jain minor deities. Redtigerxyz Talk 07:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Lego Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu episodes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 00:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lego ninjago
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Ninjago (TV series) episode redirects to lists. Sahaib (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete No articles except for Ninjago: Day of the Departed. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:AstraZeneca brands
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Republic of the Congo
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 19th-century roman catholic bishops in the republic of the congo
 * Nominator's rationale: Anachronistic by-century category for a country which did not exist under the specified name in the specified century. Also a WP:SMALLCAT as it was created for just one person, but navigation of the encyclopedia is in no way aided by obsessively funnelling everybody down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Africa, per nom. Mason (talk) 19:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per Mason. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Museums in the United States by state or territory and populated place
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Category:Protestants from the Principality of Neuchâtel
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. If you disagree with this close, please click here to open a thread on my talk page. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Protestants from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Nominator's rationale: underpopulated cat where the intersection isn't defining Mason (talk) 21:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete, all three articles are still in an occupation category from the Principality of Neuchâtel. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:49, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but there is no way I can compel with the instruction of not modifying this much too quick decision, reached after only a few days and only one (yes one) dismissive « just delete »)

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 * Strongly oppose: the Principality of Neuchâtel is a former country, like the Republic of Venice, the Republic of Geneva, or the Soviet Union. It lasted for a least 500 years, and this type of categories, such as Category:Bankers from the Principality of Neuchâtel,  Category:Philanthropists from the Principality of Neuchâtel, Category:Merchants from the Principality of Neuchâtel, or  Category:Geographers from the Principality of Neuchâtel, are completely justified, even if they now contain only a few entries: there is a clear potential of growth in each of them. --Sapphorain (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * @Sapphorain can you speak to why the intersection for Protestants is defining in this pricinpality? Mason (talk) 19:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I see no evidence that this is a defining intersection. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining intersection. Note that Wikipedia categories are organized along simultaneous geographic and historic logics. That means it is sometimes tempting, however counter-productive, to split every topic into every possible intersection of geography and history. Neuchâtel was a state of the Holy Roman Empire, and an ally of Swiss cantons, before joining the confederation. So it is not like Venice or the Soviet Union, which were independent countries not part of any wider empire. Neuchâtel topics are part of the history of Switzerland, and often the best solution for navigation help is to place content in the appropriate Swiss category, in addition to a high-level e.g. . Place Clichy (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Emigrants from the Niger Coast Protectorate to Sierra Leone
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Emigrants from the Niger Coast Protectorate to Sierra Leone to Category:Nigerian emigrants to Sierra Leone
 * Nominator's rationale: regime isn't defining for emigrants Mason (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Merge or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, the only article is not clearly about an emigrant as his parents were Sierra Leonean people. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. That's refined too thin to be pertinent for navigation. Place Clichy (talk) 23:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (I'm fine with either for what it's worth) Mason (talk) 00:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Architecture in Scotland by century
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Architecture in Scotland. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Architecture in Scotland by century to Category:Architecture in Scotland
 * Nominator's rationale: single category that doesn't aid navigation. upmerge for now Mason (talk) 05:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kentucky women scientists
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge all as nominated. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women scientists to Category:Scientists from Kentucky and Category:American women scientists
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women biologists to Category:American women biologists and Category:Biologists from Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women anthropologists to Category:American women anthropologists and Category:Scientists from Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge because the intersection is not defining ( same as Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_5 ) Mason (talk) 03:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century Chadian people by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:20th-century Chadian people. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:20th-century Chadian people by occupation to Category:20th-century Chadian people
 * Nominator's rationale: single category in this category that does not help navigation. Upmerge for now Mason (talk) 01:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Explorers from the Principality of Neuchâtel
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:People from Neuchâtel. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose dual merging Category:Explorers from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:Swiss explorers and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Propose dual merging Category:Expatriates from the Principality of Neuchâtel in Portugal to Category:Swiss expatriates in Portugal and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Propose dual merging Category:Merchants from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:Swiss merchants and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Propose dual merging Category:Geographers from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:Swiss geographers and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Propose dual merging Category:Philanthropists from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:Swiss philanthropists and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Propose dual merging Category:Bankers from the Principality of Neuchâtel to Category:Swiss bankers and Category:People from Neuchâtel
 * Nominator's rationale:small underpopulated category that I don't think is defining at the intersection. not need for regime to intersect with occupation and nationality. Should be merged  to parent category (Swiss fooians) or (if keep, rename to Fooians from Neuchâtel per parent Category:People from Neuchâtel) Mason (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The principality was not part of Switzerland (yet) so "Swiss" may be off. Presumably it still belonged to the Holy Roman Empire. See Canton of Neuchâtel. Merge somehow because these categories have mainly been set up for a single article.  Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that worst case, we can manually merge to the best fitting occupational parent.Mason (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Just like the Republic of Venice, the Republic of Geneva or the Soviet Union, the Principality of Neuchâtel is a former country. It lasted for a least 500 years, officially as a principality from 1504 to 1815 (and even 1865 as the King of Prussia wouldn’t give it up…). This type of categories is perfectly justified. First because there is clear potential of growth due to the very long period of time they cover. Second because merging them with Swiss categories would introduce an unnecessary anachronism (and merging them with plain Neuchâtel categories would do exactly the same, as these are subcategories of Swiss categories). --Sapphorain (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it would be helpful if you could speak to why the "intersection" is defining for each occupation. (Small cat as been depreciated because growth is really hard to evaluate). Mason (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry, I am probably dense. I don't understand your question.--Sapphorain (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)... I think I get it: you mean the intersection of the two categories in which these ones are proposed to be merged? The problem is that the intersection of "People of Neuchâtel" and of "Swiss Suchandsuch" does not contain "Suchandsuch from the Principality of Neuchâtel" simply because the Principality of Neuchâtel was not Swiss.--Sapphorain (talk) 09:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I understand the disconnect. So the question isn't whether People of Neuchâtel is worthwhile, but what is the added value of Explorers combined with people from the Principality of Neuchâtel is worthwhile. In other words, what makes Explorers from Neuchâtel meaningful, compared to just having two separate categories? Mason (talk) 12:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The added value would be, for a citizen of the Principality of Neuchâtel who was an explorer, of describing him or her with one very precise and correct category, versus (if the present proposition is followed) two categories, one very approximative and one quite false. If "Explorers from the Principality of Neuchâtel" is suppressed, then according to the present proposition, this individual would be categorized by "People from Neuchâtel" (approximative) and "Swiss Explorers" (false).--Sapphorain (talk) 21:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ... One other solution could be to merge all these categories, which already contain 5 people altogether, in one category "People from the Principality of Neuchâtel". This new category would also contain an appreciable number of other people, as for instance the horologists Ferdinand Berthoud, Abraham-Louis Breguet, and Abraham-Louis Perrelet, the lawyer Emer de Vattel, and the pastor Jean-Frederic Osterwald. As well as the politician and scientist Jean-Paul Marat. --Sapphorain (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now to Category:People from Neuchâtel per WP:NARROWCAT, but with no objection to recreation if any of the category's fulfill their growth potential and ever reach 5 or so articles. (Open to a dual merge as well, if an appropriate target can be found given the location's complicated history.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:People from Neuchâtel per the reasoning at . Individual articles may be added manually to either Swiss or German occupational category if they apply. Place Clichy (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kansas City Cowboys
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 * The result of the discussion was: convert to disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 21:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Kansas City Cowboys
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:DNWAUC
 * "Kansas City Cowboys" is a disambiguation page for 6 different sporting teams that all share the same name, which is textbook WP:SHAREDNAME but, based on the category header, I think this was intended as a disambiguation page anyway. I created individual categories for 2 of the teams (1, 2) but the other 4 didn't have enough content yet. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Convert to dab page similar to article space. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, that works too. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate There is a dab page for Kansas City Cowboys, but there is evidently a need for one here as well. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sporting Kansas City broadcasters
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Sporting Kansas City broadcasters (all soccer unless specified)
 * Propose Deleting Category:FC Dallas broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Houston Dynamo FC broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Major League Soccer over-the-air television broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Orlando City SC broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Philadelphia Union broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Portland Timbers broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Real Salt Lake broadcasters
 * Propose Deleting Category:Missouri Valley Conference broadcasters (college sports)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Buffalo Braves broadcasters (basketball)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:NONDEFINING
 * These categories consist almost entirely of general interest TV stations that play sitcoms, drama, news, movies and--yes--at least one season worth of games for a soccer team. Articles like KMYU, WRDQ and KMCI-TV do tend to mention the teams in passing but it would create category clutter if we started categorized TV stations by each show they air. The category contents are already largely listified right here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Also worth considering that with the advent of MLS Season Pass, there are no local TV broadcasters (people or stations). So these categories will never grow. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 02:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply not needed. GiantSnowman 18:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Baltic Finnic people
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 01:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Baltic Finnic people to Category:Baltic Finns
 * Nominator's rationale: I propose upmerging the category. I don't understand why the Kven and Seto peoples are treated differently from the Karelians or Estonians. Yorkporter (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:SEPARATE. It is better to distinguish between topic categories and people categories. Here, Category:Baltic Finns (and and ) are topic categories for the ethnic groups. Category:Baltic Finns (and  and ) are categories for individual people. Place Clichy (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, both categories mainly contain subcategories and articles about peoples, rather than about individual people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Holography in fiction
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 9%23Category:Holography in fiction