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Category:Turkish Nationalist writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 02:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to  and
 * Propose merging to  and
 * Nominator's rationale: overly specific triple intersection of nationality, occupation and political orientation (WP:NARROWCAT). Place Clichy (talk) 23:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. (If not merged, rename in order to decapitalize "nationalist".) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Arab people of European descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 13:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arab people of european descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of albanian descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of bosnia and herzegovina descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of british descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of croatian descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of french descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of german descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of hungarian descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of montenegrin descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of portuguese descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of russian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Following the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 16, ethnic categories should be reserved for individuals who are identified as Arabs in reliable sources, rather than being used as containers for countries. Yorkporter (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, we don't categorize by intersection of etnicity and national descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Did you mean to include Category:Arab people of Bosniak descent, Category:Arab people of Circassian descent, Category:Arab people of Greek descent and Category:Arab people of Turkish descent, which are also in the parent category of Category:Arab people of European descent? Liz Read! Talk! 22:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Liz I will later create a follow-up nomination for the entire Category:Arab people by ethnic or national origin. I am still considering whether it is best to delete the entire tree or to purge national subcategories. For now, I am adding Category:Arab people by ethnic or national origin to these categories in order to maintain their presence in this tree. Is this correct? Yorkporter (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Arab people of American descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 02:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arab people of american descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of south american descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of north american descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of brazilian descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of uruguayan descent
 * Propose deleting arab people of cuban descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Following the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 16, ethnic categories should be reserved for individuals who are identified as Arabs in reliable sources, rather than being used as containers for countries. Yorkporter (talk) 20:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, we don't categorize by intersection of etnicity and national descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:African diaspora in the Arab world

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:African diaspora in the Middle East. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 02:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:African diaspora in the Arab world to Category:African diaspora in the Middle East
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories, the content will fit into the Middle East category. Yorkporter (talk) 20:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Whether kept or merged, I do not think that African Americans in Israel belongs here, they are primarily American diaspora. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Paintings by Lorenzo Costa the Elder

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Paintings by Lorenzo Costa. (non-admin closure) House Blaster </b>talk 02:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Paintings by Lorenzo Costa
 * Nominator's rationale: Italian painter Lorenzo Costa is universally known as Lorenzo Costa, like its shown in the English language and other Wikipedias. He is sometimes called "The Elder" not to be confused with his grandson, Lorenzo Costa the Younger, but its rare and not that usual. In the Encyclopaedia Britannica he also appears as Lorenzo Costa: Mistico Dois (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator's rationale and per consistency with the article's title. --Cavarrone 13:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Foreign Ministers of X
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename as proposed (excepting the stricken nominations). One comment and one weak oppose does not override three full supports based on MOS:JOBTITLES; I also took into account the implicit appeal to WP:C2D (the article being ministry of foreign affairs). <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 21:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of China
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Germany
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of East Germany
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Liberia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Eswatini
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of North Macedonia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Solomon Islands
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Papua New Guinea
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Georgia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the People's Republic of China
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Swaziland
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Norway
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Nauru
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Palau
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Malawi
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Nepal
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Vanuatu
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Niue
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Montenegro
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Guinea-Bissau
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Paraguay
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Slovakia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Federated States of Micronesia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Somaliland
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Lesotho
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Maldives
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Seychelles
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Sierra Leone
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Cook Islands
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Saint Lucia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Panama
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Mali
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Uganda
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Republic of China
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Pakistan
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Czech Republic
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Saint Kitts and Nevis
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Botswana
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Zambia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Republic of the Congo
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Djibouti
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Tuvalu
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Marshall Islands
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of East Timor
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Nicaragua
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Faroe Islands
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Honduras
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Fiji
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Haiti
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Uzbekistan
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Barbados
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Andorra
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Mauritius
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Somalia
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Madagascar
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Ivory Coast
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Guinea
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Württemberg
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of Georgia (country)
 * Propose renaming category to Category:Foreign ministers of the Qing dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:JOBTITLE, job titles should not be capitalised.This nomination is a result of this discussion. Pinging @Naraht. Qwerfjkl  talk  18:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, it is not a proper name. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support, per NOM.Mistico Dois (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:Foreign Ministers of Georgia (country), Category:Foreign Ministers of Swaziland and Category:Foreign Ministers of the Republic of Macedonia are category redirects. Also, I'm no expert on MOS but doesn't "Foreign ministers" mean ministers who are foreign, not "Foreign Ministers", that is governmental positions? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Foreign ministers" is a common enough term for the governmental position. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ministry of foreign affairs might disagree with you. Qwerfjkl  talk  21:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but throughout that article the term "foreign minister" is used. So if someone would propose to rename all of them to "ministers of foreign affairs", I would probably stay neutral. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle, sorry if it wasn't clear, but I was agreeing with you. My comment was addressed to Liz. My point was, as you say, that that article uses the term "foreign ministers" . Qwerfjkl  talk  21:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, that was clearly a misunderstanding:-) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose. Per Liz, it seems to me that "Foreign Ministers" avoids ambiguity. But it's not a major issue either way. Aridd (talk) 11:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Treaties extended to Korea (Japanese possession)
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Treaties extended to dependent territories in Asia and Category:Treaties extended to dependent territories of Japan. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Treaties extended to Korea (Japanese possession) to Category:Treaties extended to dependent territories of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: Also merge to . Only one page in it at present. toobigtokale (talk) 17:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Trees of Subarctic America
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Trees of North America, which will be renamed to Category:Trees of Northern America. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Subarctic America to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm also proposing the renaming of Category:Trees of North America to Category:Trees of Northern America in line with the definition and name used by the World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions and the merger of all the subcategories to the renamed botanical continent category.

This would eliminate an inconsistently used set of categories that is not well defined as there is no botanical separation of Trees from Shrubs. It will reduce the amount of WP:OVERCAT and be similar to a previous merger of all the national categories for tree to the umbrella Category:Trees of Europe in 2015.

I considered merging all the categories to their equivalent "Flora of X" category, but as the Tree categories have not been well managed I think it would have more potential to introduce error than simply merging them up and it keeps the subcategories like Category:Arboreta in Iowa and Category:Individual Douglas firs and so on in a tree category.


 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Alaska to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Canada to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Western Canada to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Manitoba to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Saskatchewan to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Alberta to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of British Columbia to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Eastern Canada to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of New Brunswick to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Ontario to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Quebec to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Western United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Northwestern United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the North-Central United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Great Lakes region (North America) to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Northeastern United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Southwestern United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the South-Central United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Southern United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the Southeastern United States to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Southern Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Central Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of the State of Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Morelos to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Puebla to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Northeastern Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Aguascalientes to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Chihuahua (state) to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Coahuila to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Durango to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Guanajuato to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Hidalgo (state) to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Nuevo León to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Querétaro to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of San Luis Potosí to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Tamaulipas to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Zacatecas to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Northwestern Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Baja California to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Baja California Sur to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Sinaloa to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Sonora to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Southeastern Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Campeche to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Chiapas to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Quintana Roo to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Tabasco to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Yucatán to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Southwestern Mexico to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Colima to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Guerrero to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Jalisco to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Michoacán to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Nayarit to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Oaxaca to Category:Trees of Northern America
 * Propose merging Category:Trees of Veracruz to Category:Trees of Northern America

If this proposal is not successful I will try to clean up the categories by starting to remove trees from the "Flora of" categories and placing them in their equivalent "Trees of" categories and creating all the missing categories. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Pruning, for the sake of editors who might not know the background of this proposal, for a long time at WP:Wikiproject Plants these "Trees of foo..." categories have been been basically ignored, and therefore inconsistently applied, by project members. Moreover, most tree species have wide ranges (such as "the Rockies" or "the deserts of North America") and breaking them down to states is pointless. I can predict that most Wikiproject Plants editors will object to removing the "Flora of ..." categories, as these are well maintained. Abductive  (reasoning) 20:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Clarification, I'm not proposing to merge any "Flora of..." categories. In the proposal I was mentioning the possibility of merging "Trees of Subartic America" to "Flora of Subartic America" and the rest to their equivalent Flora categories, but thought it not as good an option as merging to Northern America.
 * My end comment is about what to do IF this proposal is not successful because editors think they are useful. I think it would be good to actually try to make the various "Trees of..." categories sensible by not having trees in both "Flora of Place" and the equivalent "Trees of Place" categories at the same time. So I will do my best to make it work if that is what the community prefers. Though the better option is all to one larger trees option and using "Flora of..." for distribution. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 22:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support upmerging Ideally I would prefer the "Trees of" categories completely removed, since there is no clear botanical definition of the term "tree". But upmerging is better than the current muddle. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support upmerging, in line with Peter coxhead's reasoning. Declangi (talk) 00:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Literature albums by Irish artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting literature albums by irish artists
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no definition, article, or categorization scheme for Literature albums on Wikipedia, and the two articles placed in the category are in Category:Spoken word albums by Irish artists, which should be sufficient. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, apparent overlap with another category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Robert Ballagh
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting robert ballagh
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category for one additional related article. WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator's rational. Clearly unnecessary. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:2020 in Papua New Guinean football
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Contents are already in Category:Papua New Guinea National Soccer League seasons. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:2020 in Papua New Guinean football to Category:2020 in Papua New Guinean sport
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, so should upmerge to all parent categories <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Papua New Guinea National Soccer League seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. GiantSnowman 19:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:2019 in Papua New Guinean football
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Contents are already in Category:Papua New Guinea National Soccer League seasons. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:2019 in Papua New Guinean football to Category:2019 in Papua New Guinean sport
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, so should upmerge to parent categories <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Papua New Guinea National Soccer League seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. GiantSnowman 19:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Maps of Phoenicia
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. signed,Rosguill talk 00:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Maps of Phoenicia to Category:Images of Phoenicia and Category:Maps of former countries
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as there's only one page in here. John Speed map of Canaan describes the "Land of Israel", the fact that Phoenicia is on the map isn't really a defining feature. Mason (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Just delete and add article Periplus of Pseudo-Scylax to Category:Maps of the history of the Middle East. Category:Images of Phoenicia is not a proper target because images category are meant to contain jpg files and the like, and Category:Maps of former countries is not a proper merge target because it should be a container category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Even better :) Mason (talk) 00:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Albums produced by Alesso
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Category:Maps of the history of Turkey
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting maps of the history of turkey
 * Nominator's rationale: Only category is about the ottoman empire (Category:Maps of the Ottoman Empire‎), which isn't the same as Turkey. Child category is already in the appropriate categories. Mason (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Establishments in Serbia and Montenegro by decade
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Establishments in Serbia and Montenegro by decade to Category:Establishments in Serbia and Montenegro
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It doesn't aid navigation to have 1 category in here. Mason (talk) 13:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm. This is the same as country as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, whose categories are being split off from former Yugoslavia in separate RFDs. The logic of EstcatCountry is to merge different country names under the latest ones, so this one for S&M should probably pick up the FRY ones, and then we'd have 2 decades here instead of just 1? --Joy (talk) 16:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I added or edited a fair few redirects and categories to demonstrate this. (It should not be taken to prejudice the other CFD discussions, can be reverted at will.) --Joy (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, for just two decades it does not benefit to have an intermediate category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Serbia and Montenegro men by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Serbia and Montenegro men by occupation to Category:Serbia and Montenegro men
 * Propose merging Category:Serbia and Montenegro women by occupation to Category:Serbia and Montenegro women
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 category in it that doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 13:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Bangladeshi film songs
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Category:Breakthrough therapy
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting breakthrough therapy
 * Nominator's rationale: Non defining for every drug in this category. Whether it was a breakthrough therapy or not would become entirely irrelevant once it's approved. In contrast, other ways that drugs are classified such as the mechanism of action, manufacturer, chemical structure etc. remain relevant. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and it is also very US-centric. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional contract killers
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  13:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional contract killers to Category:Fictional assassins
 * Nominator's rationale: Completely redundant with each other. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 23:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. They're not redundant or even the exact same thing. Not all assassins are contract killers. See Category:Assassins and Category:Contract killers. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Needa a third-party judgment on whether the categories are duplicative. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and possibly WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as well, depending on how one defines a contract killer. An example of overcategorization in which one mostly overlaps the other. We aren't obliged to make subcategories for every possible variation and permutation of the subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * merge per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ Mason (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Assassin =/= contract killer in every case. Someone who assassinates for personal or political motives is not the same thing as a hired killer who murders for money. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * it may help when you give a few examples of characters in Category:Fictional assassins who assassinate for personal or political motives. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't believe they are totally redundant, but I do believe they are so similar as to be unnecessarily confusing and overlapping. What ultimately matters is that someone is an assassin, not the specific motives behind their actions, which may change from job to job even in the same work. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In real life there is also a distinction between a contract killer and an assassin. I do not explicitly oppose yet because I am not so sure if the distinction is equally clear-cut in fiction. Hence my comment to AHI-300. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support: Not all assassins are contract killers, sure, but since this is going the other way I don't think that distinction necessarily matters. On the other hand, I don't see why it would make sense to say all contract killers are assassins, and the argument that the similarity between the terms is close enough to create confusion and redundancy makes sense to me. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 13:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional places in Disney films
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional Disney locations. (I have just closed Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 28 as rename; the close reflects the target's new name.) (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 21:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional places in Disney films to Category:Fictional locations of Disney
 * Nominator's rationale: Contested speedy for consistency with Category:Fictional locations.


 * Category:Fictional places in Disney films to Category:Fictional locations in Disney films – C2C: Category:Fictional locations, etc. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now, as there is a CfD ongoing about what its parent category should be named, making any move premature. Also, I think this category should probably be merged anyway. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Should I move this under "On hold pending other discussion", or discard and open a new CfD? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would probably bring it to CfD under the other one because the same thing applies for it as its parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Depending on the outcome of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_15, this category could be renamed or merged with the target, or deleted if the parent is deleted. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom (or delete if the target is deleted). I expected the category to contain mainly fictional populated places (cities, towns, villages) in which case I might have opposed, but it appears to be not that clear cut. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sports clubs and teams in Dalvík
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  16:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports clubs and teams in Dalvík to Category:Sport in Dalvík and Category:Sports clubs and teams in Northeastern Region (Iceland)
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Only 2 articles. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dual merge, also to Category:Sport in Dalvík. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Festivals in Dalvík
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dalvík with no prejudice against recreation if the category can be appropriately populated. (non-admin closure) <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 02:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Festivals in Dalvík to Category:Dalvík
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Only 1 article. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when another handful of articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


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