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Category:Combat sports families by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Combat sports families. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 06:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Combat sports families by country to Category:Combat sports families
 * Nominator's rationale: only three child categories, that could arguably also be upmerged Mason (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Moreover the subcategories may be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sports families of the Soviet Union and Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Russian families. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sports families of the Soviet Union and Russia to Category:Russian sports families
 * Nominator's rationale: rename as the only category in it is for russian families Mason (talk) 22:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment per sibling categories in Category:Sports families by country, this could be Category:Sports families of Russia. Place Clichy (talk) 23:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Russian families, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory should be nominated for merge too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree to merge to Category:Russian families. The content here is, for which a number of empty category layers were created besides this one: , , , . Place Clichy (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge. Russia shouldn’t be privileged over other USSR successor states by treating the two as a single state. —Michael Z. 00:34, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't really think that was the intent. If I have to guess, I suppose that the creator considered that members of the Nurmagomedov family were, Soviet for some, Russian for others, but that they were still a family. This category was not parented to any other "Soviet and Russian" category. Place Clichy (talk) 01:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m speaking to result, not intent, and defining categorization, and not any particular categorized subject. “The Soviet Union and Russia” are two states and deserve their own identity in “by country” categories, as do Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, as well as the Russian empire. (Come to think of it, perhaps “by country” should possibly be applied as such, and not according to state, especially in the case of multinational empires like the Romanov and the Soviet.)
 * A sports family of the Soviet Union and any other state or states belongs in the respective two or more categories. —Michael Z. 17:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The parent family is problematic, so I’ve nominated it for change: Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 5. —Michael Z. 17:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Marine fish of Northern Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting marine fish of northern australia
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, these are Indo-Pacific fish, not at all specifically occurring within the Australian borders. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. HouseBlastertalk 18:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Assassinated former national legislators

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Assassinated former national legislators to Category:Assassinated national legislators
 * Propose merging Category:Assassinated former subnational legislators to Category:Assassinated subnational legislators
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm pretty sure that we don't distinguish by "former" for legislators Mason (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That was pretty much my rationale until my categorization was reverted by User:Adavidb and User:331dot who indicated James A. Garfield was not a state legislator when he was assassinated. I created the category to address their concerns which apparently did. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 21:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that in this case the issue is that the assassination isn't defining unless they were assassinated for being a "former" legislator. But I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on what do to. Mason (talk) 22:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, do not merge. Even if these people were assassinated for political reasons, it does not seem in a majority of cases to be linked to having formerly held legislative office or local council membership. Assassinated politicians may be the best way to describe them, except when there's already a better way to define them such as assassinated presidents. The fact that or  had been, at some point in their life, members of the Prussian Landtag or the Illinois State Legislature is pretty remote from the circumstances of their death. In the rare but not impossible case that someone was assassinated, for something they did as legislator, after they had left office, and that the consensus of reliable sources agree upon this link, then they belong in Assassinated (sub)national legislators because that is defining for them. I appreciate the creator for taking bold initiatives, but this is really a trivial intersection. Place Clichy (talk) 00:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: when I find in these categories a first-rank politician such as, whose assassination together with King Alexander I of Yugoslavia in 1934 in Marseille is most notable, I believe there may be room within for . That's clearly more defining for Barthou (then foreign minister), and probably a number of others, than ). Place Clichy (talk) 02:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. In the case "they belong in Assassinated (sub)national legislators [...]", I have to point out that it could also be the case that the motives of the assassin are unknown and the murdered person held several public offices. Even if the person is killed being an incumbent and the motive is not known, it could only be speculated that the motive was the incumbent position, when the person could have had a grudge stemming when the politician held a previous office.
 * Also, without having a specific example in mind, there could be cases where the politician assassinated is incumbent in one office but was killed for situations stemming from their previous office. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In the case that the motives of the assassin are unknown and the murdered person held several public offices, then the correct category is assassinated politicians without mentioning any office. Place Clichy (talk) 19:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:British Hong Kong singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both as proposed. Marcocapelle, Danny Chan is the only article (currently) in Category:British Hong Kong singers; in my capacity as an individual editor, I intend place it in Category:20th-century Hong Kong singers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Hong Kong singers to Category:Hong Kong singers
 * Propose merging Category:Male actors from British Hong Kong to Category:20th-century Hong Kong male actors
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think that the intersection between regime is defining for entertainers Mason (talk) 21:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, "20th century" is more specific than "British". The first category may be merged to Category:20th-century Hong Kong singers though. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian expatriate film directors in the United States
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Category:Baltic Finnic people
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Category:Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East
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Category:Pharmacists from the Russian Empire
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Category:Fictional LGBT characters by gender or sex
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Category:Blockades involving the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename "involved" -> "by". (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Blockades involving the United Kingdom to Category:Blockades by the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:Blockades involving the United States to Category:Blockades by the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are for blockades (partially or entirely) enforced by the US/ UK, not other blockades that the US/UK was involved in, either as a target or external supporter or opponent of the blockade. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename, this makes it a lot clearer. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support rename. Mason (talk) 21:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Museums in Maine by populated place
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Category:People of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war
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Category:Writing systems derived from the Chinese

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: Rename, no consensus to merge (see also the discussion below this one). The merger can be proposed seprately in a new CfD if it is still desired, but the two discussions here are too muddled to form a consensus for that. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Writing systems derived from the Chinese to Category:Writing systems derived from Chinese characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Awkward category name Remsense  聊  18:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Update Incorporating Folly Mox's suggestion, I'm currently in favor of merging this and Category:Chinese scripts into Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters. Remsense  聊  17:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Rename per nom and merge Category:Chinese scripts; some of these scripts, such as kana, are distinct from Chinese characters in that they are alphabets or syllabaries rather than logogram. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 20:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Scatterbrained ramble I'm not sure exactly what kind of merger is now being proposed. Is it renaming this category to Category:Writing systems derived from Chinese characters, and then reparenting it and Category:Chinese scripts into a new supercat Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters?I'm not really a CFD person so I'm not sure if the distinction is one we should keep or not, but we do currently distinguish between writing systems that use a familiar and relatively circumscribed set of genetically related logograms, and writing systems that use some combination of those logograms and orthographic derivations. Category:Chinese scripts holds most of the first type, and also some outliers like List of Chinese–Japanese false friends (which probably just belongs in Category:Chinese characters). Category:Writing systems derived from the Chinese holds the second list item from two sentences ago.As a confounding element, some of the articles in each category have to do with the written expression of Chinese languages (Bopomofo, Cantonese Bopomofo, and Nüshu here; Sichuanese characters, Singapore Chinese characters, Written Cantonese, and Written Chinese at the other category): all the rest talk about languages other than Chinese.I suppose the main problem really is that we don't have a culturally neutral term for 字 the way we have the word letter for alphabetical writing system glyphs genetically derived from the Phoenician. Otherwise we could do away with the whole confounding "Chinese" descriptor.I don't know that I'm proposing anything here, so I've bolded a thing at the top of this comment so the closer doesn't have to read it. Folly Mox (talk) 00:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Chinese scripts
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename as nominated, no consensus to merge (see also the discussion above this one). * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese scripts to Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters
 * Nominator's rationale: 'script' is a particularly ambiguous term here, the purely stylistic sense of 'script' has another category Remsense  聊  18:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * The main article is Chinese family of scripts, wouldn't that be a good category title too? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think so, actually! Nice one. Remsense  聊  23:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The term "script" in the Chinese orthography sense isn't really ambiguous, and its technical use is super well established in English language literature: see e.g. Small seal script, Ancient Script Texts, Clerical script etc. However the meaning of the word doesn't match up with the contents of the category, which is using "script" more like "alphabet". I'm not sure I see the a rename from Category:Chinese scripts to Category:Chinese family of scripts solving that. I think the proposed title Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters is precise and correct, but it's a little clunky. Of course, not all of these writing systems use the same orthographic lexicon: for example there are Kanji which are not Hanzi and vice versa, and presumably the same goes for Hanja etc, but I don't think that invalidates the proposed name. Folly Mox (talk) 00:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Update Incorporating Folly Mox's suggestion, I'm currently in favor of merging this and Category:Writing systems derived from the Chinese into Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters. Remsense  聊  17:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think I suggested anything for this one: I just agreed with your proposed rename title.But I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on merging those two categories. I think it's worthwhile to continue to distinguish between Chinese characters and written figures derived therefrom. Maybe Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters for this one, and Category:Writing systems using Chinese character derivatives for the other? Or Category:Writing systems using modified Chinese characters for the other? I'm not entirely opposed to a catmerge either, for clarity, but it does seem a little imprecise if we're going to be using the term "Chinese characters" when talking about e.g. Bopomofo. Apologies if this isn't what you meant. Folly Mox (talk) 00:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've now gone back to them being separate categories, hmm. Category:Writing systems using Chinese characters and Category:Writing systems derived from Chinese characters maybe? Remsense  聊  00:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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Writers by Occitan dialect
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/keep as per Place Clichy's alt proposal. Specifically:

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 * Keep Category:Gascon-language Occitan writers
 * Keep Category:Provençal-language Occitan writers
 * Merge Category:Occitan-language Occitan writers to Category:Occitan-language writers
 * Merge Category:Occitan writers to Category:Occitan-language writers (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Gascon-language Occitan writers to Category:Occitan-language writers
 * Propose merging Category:Occitan-language Occitan writers to Category:Occitan-language writers
 * Propose merging Category:Provençal-language Occitan writers to Category:Occitan-language writers.
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per. Gascon dialect and Provençal dialect are just dialects of the Occitan language and we do not usually categorize writers by dialect. This is follow-up on this pending discussion, pinging User:Place Clichy and User:Iketsi contributors to this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep Provençal and Gascon, merge Category:Occitan-language Occitan writers as uselessly redundant. The issue here is that for a very long time (from the Middle Ages to the mid-20th century), this language was called either provençal, gascon or other regional names like auvergnat, until the consensus was widely accepted that it was a unique language, and the archaic word occitan chosen for it. So... it is in fact defining from some writers to have written in provençal etc. because that's how reliable sources would describe them (and probably themselves and their contemporaries too). The third category is nonsensical though. Following the closure of this CfD, I lastly suggest to merge into . Place Clichy (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If there is no consensus for the nomination then Place Clichy's solution is also fine. I have tagged to that end. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Open-source software converted to a proprietary license
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Category:History of the Chinese script
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Chinese script style. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:History of the Chinese script to Category:History of Chinese characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Remsense  聊  21:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * The proposed title might be misinterpreted as covering the histories of individual characters. Kanguole 22:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the issue I've been running up against. How about 'History of Chinese family of scripts'? Remsense  聊  23:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the original title is more accurate, but it's a weird category. Like, Li Si is in there, but Zhong Yao, Xu Shen, Qian Xuantong, and Guo Moruo aren't. Large Seal script and Small seal script are in both this category and Category:Chinese script style; Oracle Bone script is in this one but not that one, and Clerical script is in that one but not this one. Meanwhile Chinese characters of Empress Wu is entirely different, and the only article that is actually about characters (字) rather than script (文) INS (書). whoops 14:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)I guess since we're here, I should have a constructive idea, but I rarely come to CfD. Maybe add Oracle Bone script to Category:Chinese script style, upmerge Chinese characters of Empress Wu to Category:History of the Chinese language(??), and then delete the category, or rename it to something like Category:Chinese script tastemakers and add more dead dudes to keep Li Si company. Right now we've got articles in this category for three different reasons, and none of the reasons is pulling its full complement of candidate articles into the category. Folly Mox (talk) 23:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Folly, it seems like you make my ideas better whenever you pop up. :) Remsense  聊  15:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think Li Si belongs here, and more "dead dudes" should not be added either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Update. My proposition is now to just upmerge with Category:History of the Chinese language. Remsense  聊  00:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * I note that 2 out of 4 articles are in Category:Chinese script style. Shouldn't they all 4 go in there, and shouldn't then Category:Chinese script style become a subcategory of Category:History of the Chinese language? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, I support this proposal.<span id="Remsense:1699108690105:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_3" class="FTTCmt"> Remsense  聊  14:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Note to closer of discussion, in case you got lost, this alt proposal is: :* Propose merging Category:History of the Chinese script to Category:Chinese script style. Note that I have already made Category:Chinese script style a subcategory of Category:History of the Chinese language. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Alopoglossidae stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lizard stubs. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting alopoglossidae stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Stub category with less than 50 pages, upmerge to . Andumé (talk) 21:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Creator's rationale: I do understand that 60 articles is the standard threshold; I created this as a way to help decrease the size of the overlarge Lizard stubs category. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge per convention. There are currently only 33 stubs in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Anguidae stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lizard stubs. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  22:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anguidae stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Stub category with less than 50 pages, upmerge to . Andumé (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Creator's rationale: I do understand that 60 articles is the standard threshold; I created this as a way to help decrease the size of the overlarge Lizard stubs category. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge per convention. There are currently only 47 stubs in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge, but should the template be deleted or just redirected? Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Afghan women cricketers
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Category:Naturalised subjects of the Kingdom of Great Britain
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Category:National Arts Club
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 06:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting national arts club
 * Nominator's rationale: The category contains a single article and a subcategory. The article is Abbott Fuller Graves who was a member of the National Arts Club. I don't think being a member is a defining characteristic so I propose removing Abbott Fuller Graves from Category:National Arts Club and deleting the category, keeping only the subcategory Category:National Arts Club Medal of Honor Recipients. Pichpich (talk) 18:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The category is a stub as other categories, like notable members and Art collection in the National Arts Club will be added over time. I'm still doing the research to create the categories, which is why I created a master structure on it. But if 3 sub-categories is not enough to warrant a top level category, then I would be OK with deletion (I created the top category) TNL (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, just membership is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Turning Red characters
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 * Propose deleting turning red characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Near duplicate of Category:Turning Red character redirects to lists. Unneeded. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lightyear (film)
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 * Propose deleting lightyear (film)
 * Nominator's rationale: A category that would likely always be WP:SMALLCAT. I could only see 3 articles in this category at most. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more fit articles are created. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lightyear characters
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 * Propose deleting lightyear characters
 * Nominator's rationale: I believe that WP:RCAT would highly discourage a category comprised primarily of redirects. Just leaving Buzz Lightyear would make this a WP:SMALLCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more redirects are converted to articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Luca (2021 film) characters
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 * Propose deleting luca (2021 film) characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded parent category. Would merge to Category:Luca (2021 film), but that one I nominated for deletion for other reasons. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Luca (2021 film)
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 * Propose deleting luca (2021 film)
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Will likely only ever contain 3 articles. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Soul (2020 film) characters
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 * Propose deleting soul (2020 film) characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded parent category. Would merge to Category:Soul (2020 film), but that one I nominated for deletion for other reasons. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Soul (2020 film)
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 * Propose deleting soul (2020 film)
 * Nominator's rationale: Likely will be a WP:SMALLCAT. Even when all possible articles would be put in, there would only be 4 entries (the film itself, the soundtrack, a short film based on the film, and the accolades list). (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more fit articles are created. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Independence Day (United States) foods
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 06:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting independence day (united states) foods
 * Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. The foods filed here aren't things that are uniquely associated with Independence Day -- it's things like apple pie, baked beans, cheeseburgers, chicken salad, corn on the cob, ice cream, lemonade and pasta salad, that can literally be eaten at absolutely any time of the year whether it's a holiday or not. Obviously some holidays (e.g. Christmas) have special foods that are uniquely associated with that holiday and not generally eaten at other times of the year, but Independence Day isn't like that: there aren't special "Independence Day" foods per se, and Independence Day parties just feature the same menu as any other summer barbecue or cookout, so the foods here aren't defined by any special association with Independence Day in particular. Bearcat (talk) 14:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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2000s establishments in Yugoslavia
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Category:Assassinated heads of government
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Place Clichy's two arguments against a merge give deletion the numbers as well as the strength of arguments. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 06:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting assassinated heads of government
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, unnecessary overcategorization, the articles of this category are both in assassinated presidents and in assassinated heads of government, but the fact that they were assassinated is unrelated to how government is organized in their country. (Note that I have already added subCategory:Assassinated prime ministers to Category:Assassinated politicians by type.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for now without prejudice for a later re-creation with a better scope. I would have expected this category to be for actual heads of government whose title is not Prime Minister, such as German Chancellor or Irish Taoiseach. However, this category was populated with executive presidents, which is useless. Looking at the list, there may be room for a category for non-sovereign executive leaders not called Prime Minister, at least for Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss, Nepalese Kirtiman Singh Basnyat, some Grand Viziers such as Mahmud Shevket Pasha, Sokollu Mehmed Pasha, Abul Fazl and Nizam al-Mulk, Japanese Shoguns such as Ashikaga Yoshiteru, Ashikaga Yoshinori and Minamoto no Sanetomo etc. Place Clichy (talk) 01:18, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge with Category:Assassinated heads of state and rename it Category:Assassinated heads of state and government (better than deleting it and leaving only heads of state). See also Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 25. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 01:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The trouble is that this category is currently not in fact about heads of government. It is exclusively filled with leaders like e.g., President of South Korea in 1962-1979, who are executive presidents with direct control of government, as is the case for the President of the United States. There is another category for assassinated actual heads of government, and that is . Place Clichy (talk) 11:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Precisely because a head of government can include prime ministers, presidents, monarchs I think it should be merged with heads of state. And then with a [Category:Assassinated heads of state and government] we can include monarchs, presidents, prime ministers and others without the confusion that some are heads of government and others heads of state and others both. Regards,  Thinker78  (talk) 19:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well 1°) this would not really make sense only for assassinated people categories; instead we should reflect longstanding parents and . And 2°) monarchs and presidents are just never really primarily referred to as heads of government; they just also hold roles that are assigned with another figure in other systems. Place Clichy (talk) 21:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional homosexuals
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional homosexuals
 * Nominator's rationale: redundant category layer, both subcategories are also in parent Category:Fictional characters by sexual orientation. Earlier deleted by this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Per WP:OVERLAPCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G4. Place Clichy (talk) 00:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Fictional characters by gender
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. The only opposition to the merge was based on a misunderstanding. This status quo is something like: Foo > Foo by gender > Foo males AND foo females. The proposal would turn this into Foo > Foo males AND foo females. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters by franchise and gender to Category:Fictional characters by franchise
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters by medium and gender to Category:Fictional characters by medium
 * Propose merging Category:Animated characters by gender to Category:Animated characters
 * Propose merging Category:Comics characters by gender to Category:Comics characters
 * Propose merging Category:Film characters by gender to Category:Film characters
 * Propose merging Category:Television characters by gender to Category:Television characters
 * Propose merging Category:Video game characters by gender to Category:Video game characters
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional characters by occupation and gender to Category:Fictional characters by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: merge redundant category layer because these "by gender" categories only contain male and female. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I suspect this will result in a massive WP:TRAINWRECK, but:
 * Merge Category:Fictional characters by franchise and gender and its subcategories as being an intersection of unrelated things. Gender simply has no relation to franchise, these things are entirely disconnected from one another, and some entries are not even franchises, but works by a certain author. This is pure overcategorization. Category:Bond girls is the only one that may be kept as-is, since it has its own main article. Category:Disney Princess characters as well, but this is mostly because "Disney Princess" is in itself a franchise.
 * Merge Category:Fictional characters by occupation and gender, Category:Fictional males by occupation‎, Category:Fictional females by occupation‎ and everything therein that is simply "fictional male/female ____" as arbitrary categorizations. Keep Category:Fictional characters by gendered occupation and its subcategories as a subcategory of Category:Fictional characters by occupation.
 * Keep All others as valid as long as gendered categories continue to exist at all. Characters of a certain gender appearing in a certain medium are believably defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * possibly you misunderstand the intention of the nomination. The intention is not to abolish male and female subcategories, but rather to eliminate an almost empty parent category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * merge per nom. Mason (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, useless intermediate layer. WP:OVERLAPCAT applies, as the (usually two) gendered category fit very well into the parent. Place Clichy (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ministers for Ports and Freight
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ministers for Ports and Freight (Victoria). Pick your favorite speedy. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Ports and Freight to Category:Ministers for Ports and Freight (Victoria)
 * Nominator's rationale: C2B (See Category:Ministers of the Victoria (state) state government) ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 04:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. C2E. That was a mistake on my part. Ultraodan (talk) 05:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2C as well. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Mesopotamites family
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 * Propose deleting mesopotamites family
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 person in family, 1 interlanguage category link (but it only has two people it in) Mason (talk) 03:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Kotsiubynsky family
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 * Propose deleting kotsiubynsky family
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Category:Bánfi family
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Category:Himfi family
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 * Propose deleting himfi family
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Category:Losonci family
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 * Propose deleting losonci family
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Category:Kontostavlos family
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 * Propose deleting kontostavlos family
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 person in family, no interlanguage category link Mason (talk) 03:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Leslie family
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 * Propose deleting leslie family
 * Nominator's rationale: small cat. One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Laroche family
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Category:Sahi family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sahi family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, 1 interlanguage category link, which has the same person in it Mason (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Gorchani family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gorchani family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Csillaghy family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting csillaghy family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Schack von Wittenau family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting schack von wittenau family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Herceg family
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Kőszegi family. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Herceg family to Category:Kőszegi family
 * Nominator's rationale: one person in family, upmerge to parent family category Mason (talk) 03:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Buildings and structures of the Oxe family
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Oxe family. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures of the Oxe family to Category:Oxe family
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat with only 1 building Mason (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Jotana Family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jotana family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. If kept, rename to small f. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Moudarres family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting moudarres family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Asfari family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting asfari family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Al-Kihkiha family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting al-kihkiha family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Al-Mallah family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting al-mallah family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Semsey family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting semsey family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in family, no interlanguage category links Mason (talk) 03:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Rahmoune family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rahmoune family
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 person in family, 1 interlanguage category link (but it also has only 1 person in it) Mason (talk) 03:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Radojević noble family
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Category:Mirković noble family
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Category:Nasi family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nasi family
 * Nominator's rationale: two people in family, are a grandfather-grandson pair. no interlanguage links Mason (talk) 02:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Schmeichel family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting schmeichel family
 * Nominator's rationale: 2 people in this family category. are a father-son pair Mason (talk) 02:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ungern-Sternberg family residences
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ungern-Sternberg family residences to Category:Ungern-Sternberg family
 * Nominator's rationale: only 1 building in this category Mason (talk) 02:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Lehmann Family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lehmann family
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 person in this family category Mason (talk) 02:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. If kept, rename to small f. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Sanclemente family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sanclemente family
 * Nominator's rationale: one person in family Mason (talk) 02:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Psychological drama television and other works
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Category:Wolff family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wolff family
 * Nominator's rationale: 1 person in this family Mason (talk) 02:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Cure family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 05:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cure family
 * Nominator's rationale: One person in this family Mason (talk) 02:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Allain family
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete for now; this category can be recreated after the articles mentioned by User:Literaturemostly are written. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting allain family
 * Nominator's rationale: Small family cat with 2 people (Grandfather son pair) Mason (talk) 02:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Allain family is also made up of the distinguished painter, engraver and muralist Teófilo Allain, the photographer Teo Allain Chambi, and the photographer Andrés Fernando Allain, who are mentioned in Wikipedia in Spanish and in English. Later the pages of: Teófilo Allain, Teo Allain Chambi and Andrés Fernando Allain will be created. Literaturemostly (talk) 19:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, without prejudice to recreation of the category after these three articles are published. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Taxa named by Paul Graham Wilson
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Category:Politicians' topics
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